i made easy excellent gains even as a natty ...with aas it was almost immediate. Back then it was all u can eat but those were teenage years. Let's say for my upcoming cycle i'll inject one on one off for susta , 3 of those together with deca ...dianabol daily, split in a few times a day..it's a lot to chew.I can go from where i'm at now, 85 kg to about 110kg in 4 months.BUT REMEMBER : I'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE. SO IT'S JUST MUSCLE MEMORY.