Is this really STella? Wow!

[Necrosis]

alot of scientists must be childish for there beliefs and your president. funny you take orders from a moron who runs your country. i would think a brilliant atheist would be doing the honors. sandy you have no valid points, if you do make them.

[sandycoosworth]

im canadian shithead

and your argurments for god are all circular and self defeating as i pointed out many times on the religion board

[Bluto]

What's this "big bang" I hear about? Don't tell me you believe in that too? 

[Bluto]

Only big bang I believe in is the big gangbang - and we all originate from that one.

[canadaphiliac]

i wouldn't argue with sandy canada this guys dumber then a sack of cock rings. seriously he cant even comprehend that it is a fact that all that is, HAS to be eternal and infinite. what created the universe sandy, or better yet why did the big bang change, or explode?. you see you have two options since you dont know much about cosmology ill lay them out. the big bang was a point of infinite density for eternity or you can keep going back till theres nothing, that is before the planck epoch. they are the only really acceptable answers in science. multiverse just pushes the question back(matter is not eternal). say you choose option two(since ive already schooled you on the nothing to something argument) then the big bang has been a infinitly dense spot for eternity with all the conditions present for expansion for eternity. why did it all of a sudden change if the conditions were always present? we cant measure the time back to the planck epoch. change with when the conditions are present is a willful act something purposeful ie god.

why is the universe just right? the antropic argument, dont say its just right because we are here to talk about it, that is not acceptable by science and is a cop out. they can test the universe using computer models for other parameters, this paremeter which is impossible by chance according to statistics is the only possible outcome for life to exist.

belief in god is not childish being ignorant and clinging to your beliefs with no arguments for them other then blind faith is childish. provide some arguments. you can make the assumption that we all fear death and beleive in god but i was probably dead for a few million years and it didnt seem to bother me.

Again, brilliant. At some point in time, everything must have been created somehow. God doesn't have to be the answer to why, maybe just the answer to how, to keep the possibilities religion neutral. Obviously everything couldn't have come from nothing. Would you say the LAWS of thermodynamics are wrong then?

[ManBearPig...]

New views? There's nothing new with being a conservative christian! As for Blockhead, he likes for women to have their place, because he, as a man would benefit from it.

Of course.  Maybe in Bulgaria or wherever you're from people get married to harm themselves, not benefit from it.  You are not "teh smart". 

I want to benefit from my wife, and I want her to benefit from me.  If you think an "obedient" woman (one who'll adhere to my strict demands, such as not blowing my neighbor when i'm at work) is in shackles by being in that state...well, more power to you.

Oh, and a tip to you Bluto, since apparently, you're a virgin: women don't want someone who thinks like you, believe it or not.  "women are great, ha ha, don't go against them, you're such a meanie male".  I'd put you together with the likes of Chadwick Mower, and see how far that got him?

[Necrosis]

whats self defeating i said the universe must have a cause because of the singularity and entropy among other reasons. then you said what created god. to that i replied time is a product of this universe and was created(look up some hawking if you dont follow) anything before or outside the universe doesnt operate in time. cause and effect is a product of time, without time cause and effect are not applicable. also, what ever did start all this would have to be uncaused, because if everything needs a cause you would have an infinite regression of causes and nothing would be here, but we are here so i know this is a fact. so from this little blurb i can figure what ever created this universe was uncaused, immaterial(material needs a cause based on physics), all-powerful(has to create universe(s)) and eternal(another way of saying forever) and infinite.

what is circular about this? it actually makes perfect logical sense.

you also argued that nothing can create something which is plain dumb, but im not going to drag you through that shit again.

what is circular?

[Necrosis]

Again, brilliant. At some point in time, everything must have been created somehow. God doesn't have to be the answer to why, maybe just the answer to how, to keep the possibilities religion neutral. Obviously everything couldn't have come from nothing. Would you say the LAWS of thermodynamics are wrong then?

 i wouldnt say at some point in time. agian nothing cannot create something so everything is eternal(wasn't caused, timeless) we cant afford using time analogies to describe eternal etc because we dont know how to speak of no time. so if your talking about the universe then yes at some point everything was created, but the real question is why change? i say god some just choose to withhold opinion, neither are wrong or right because we dont have proof only faith. i hold that the universe was indeed created but something has to be eternal and not caused, it is the only logical answer, everything cant have a cause.

i wouldnt say the laws of thermodynamics are wrong(the laws do break down at the singularity, the planck epoch) just something would have to be supernatural. with super implying above natural or the laws. the laws hold for this universe.

the two logical answers that science has come up with for the anthropic principle is god did it or there infinite amounts of universes and ours just happens to be right, because infinte would be what is needed for our specific conditions to occur. either one is beyond our ontology as matt pointed out but i see purpose and too many things that point to god(morality being a good one) to accept the multiverse. even then you have to ask what created the multiverse, one of the multiverses would have to be without time or have so parameter allowing it to bring new universes into exsistence and itself be uncaused(still sounds like god to me). im not religious, and dont agree with any of the religions.

[Bluto]

Of course.  Maybe in Bulgaria or wherever you're from people get married to harm themselves, not benefit from it.  You are not "teh smart". 

I want to benefit from my wife, and I want her to benefit from me.  If you think an "obedient" woman (one who'll adhere to my strict demands, such as not blowing my neighbor when i'm at work) is in shackles by being in that state...well, more power to you.

Oh, and a tip to you Bluto, since apparently, you're a virgin: women don't want someone who thinks like you, believe it or not.  "women are great, ha ha, don't go against them, you're such a meanie male".  I'd put you together with the likes of Chadwick Mower, and see how far that got him?

I have no idea what you're talking about. I was talking about someone who use the excuse of religion for a woman to "know her place" something that today, and traditionally never benefited women.

[Necrosis]

lol ... you "feel" god ... how very scientific of you

to be honest with you i have a degree in the sciences and am going to med school and the intuition that god exists, the there just has to be that i feel when i reflect on life is the best evidence i have. im as scientific as the next guy but the spiritual feeling is not something you can put into scientific context. if there is no god then life is a huge joke. i cant see how an objective material thing the brain can give rise to subjective experience and free will, it goes against materialism. the sum cannot be greater then the parts. but we know that is not true. how many molecules of water does it take for it to feel wet? for some reason consciousnous may be something caused by neronal processes but it cant be found there. its not like we havent looked, we have the brain mapped for the most part, we just cant find consciousnous, this is called the hard problem in neuroscience.

[Bluto]

Did he just admit that his life is a huge joke? 

Tell us something we don't know!

[Necrosis]

one thing that is not a joke is alexxs sisters ass. you see that thing?

[Bluto]

one thing that is not a joke is alexxs sisters ass. you see that thing?

Now you're talking a language I can understand, see a woman's ass can make an atheist believe there is a God after all! 

[sandycoosworth]

until y'all motherfuckers can disprove santa, the easter bunny and that giant fucking tampon










you have to worship them just as much as your god!

[Necrosis]

im not asking you to prove god does not exist, im asking for logical arguments against the exsistence of god. there are some, like the problem of evil, why suffering, why no miracles etc.

[canadaphiliac]

im not asking you to prove god does not exist, im asking for logical arguments against the exsistence of god. there are some, like the problem of evil, why suffering, why no miracles etc.

The problem of evil? ie, if God is so good why did He create evil? Well think about it. What is dark? Darkness is the absence of light, you don't 'turn on the dark' you 'turn off the light'. So, evil is merely the absence of good.Why no miracles? Well, what has anyone done that could put God in their debt? What have you done that makes God owe you one. No miracles...it all depends on where you look.

[Necrosis]

The problem of evil? ie, if God is so good why did He create evil? Well think about it. What is dark? Darkness is the absence of light, you don't 'turn on the dark' you 'turn off the light'. So, evil is merely the absence of good.Why no miracles? Well, what has anyone done that could put God in their debt? What have you done that makes God owe you one. No miracles...it all depends on where you look.

i hear you, i have answers to these arguments, im just playing devils advocate. i dont think god created evil. god gave us free will and choice. from that choice we can do whatever we want, thus bad things will and can happen because of the seperation with god. if god controlled us, then love etc could not truly occur. therefore the only way for exsistence to matter is for seperation to occur and for us to make decisions. funny that we label things good and bad, for some reason we morality, and materialism cant explain it.

[canadaphiliac]

i hear you, i have answers to these arguments, im just playing devils advocate. i dont think god created evil. god gave us free will and choice. from that choice we can do whatever we want, thus bad things will and can happen because of the seperation with god. if god controlled us, then love etc could not truly occur. therefore the only way for exsistence to matter is for seperation to occur and for us to make decisions. funny that we label things good and bad, for some reason we morality, and materialism cant explain it.

Ah, gotcha, well, you've definately made some statements I respect.