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Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« on: January 19, 2007, 01:33:02 AM »
KPD receives complaints
Residents allege excessive force by police officers

by Elise Franco
Issue date: 1/19/07 Section: News

When Rick Rucker invited 20 of his friends to his College Towers apartment to celebrate his birthday, he never thought he would end the night sleeping in a jail cell.

At 1:45 a.m. Jan. 7, after many of the guests had already gone home, two Kent city police officers arrived at the apartment after receiving a call about a noise complaint.

Kent police Capt. Michelle Lee said when the two officers made contact with Rucker he was uncooperative, and after they were unable to place him under arrest, the officers called for backup to control the situation.

As a result, Rucker, a 2005 graduate; James Bradley, junior business administration major; Youngstown State alumnus Herbie Jones; junior marketing major Aaron Cephus and Laurence Hall, philosophy grad student were arrested.

Rucker doesn't agree with the police department's version of that night's events. His guests have filed formal civil complaints against the Kent Police Department.

When asked about the complaints Lee said, "There have been some officer complaints filed, but I can't really say much else about that because of the current investigation by internal affairs."

Rucker said he "just wanted my friends to come over to my place and have a fun, safe get together for my birthday. When I heard the officers were coming up, I told my friends to turn down the music and be quiet."

He said his cousin, Charles, answered the door and apologized for the disturbance, but the officers were not forgiving, so Rucker went out to handle the situation.

"I asked what the problem was, and one officer said they were going to issue me a citation," he said. "I said, 'Fine, just give it to me, and I'll send everyone home.' Instead, he said he didn't like my attitude and placed me under arrest."

Rucker said when he turned around the other cop sprayed him with Mace, causing him to fall into his apartment, onto the floor. Several of his guests removed his Mace-covered shirt and put him into the bathtub to try and get the substance out of his eyes.

Bradley said he got involved in the situation when he saw Rucker fall into the apartment.

"I was in the living room, not close to the door, and only went to the door to see what was happening after Rick got w, and I saw an officer push a girl," he said. "At that point I thought it was getting out of hand."

Bradley said he put his hands up as he walked to the door to show that he was not a threat, but as he approached, he was sprayed with Mace as well.

"I think they got mad because I was asking the officers for their names," he said. "The didn't even arrest me until after I left the party. I was walking to my car to leave, and they asked for my ID, then put me under arrest."

Rucker said the police didn't need to use Mace and physical force in the situation because it could have been easily resolved. Because of this, 13 party guests filed formal complaints with the police department.

Rucker could not file a complaint because he was arrested. Instead, he has requested help from the Kent State NAACP and the NAACP at the state level.

"None of this was justified," he said. "No one else should have been Maced; all they did was ask for the officers' badge numbers."

Bradley is also adamant about making sure this type of situation doesn't happen again. Black United Students called an emergency meeting last night to discuss the matter.

"I think that Kent needs to work on how to do things," he said. "It just seems like there are a lot of problems. I couldn't wait to speak with BUS and see if we can find a resolution to this problem."

Rucker said he knows of other similar situations but has never been involved in one and was shocked when it happened.

"I am not a violent person, and I wasn't being aggressive at all," he said. "I feel it was overreaction on their behalf."

Contact public affairs reporter Elise Franco at efranco@kent.edu.
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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2007, 05:19:09 AM »
They need to use video cameras much more.

If they knew every condescending comment would be played ten thousand times in front of their peers, bosses, family and media, they might think about each comment and action before doing it to make them feel like a big man.

Put a video camera on every officer's lapel that only goes off then they enter restrooms.  Period.

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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2007, 05:31:49 AM »
dude you never know what happened. At 2 am i am sure all those kids were wasted as hell. They probably were talking back etc, which is exactly what dickhead cops want you to do so t hey can fuck with you.  Who knows, either way this is not a big story
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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2007, 12:50:52 AM »
dude you never know what happened. At 2 am i am sure all those kids were wasted as hell. They probably were talking back etc, which is exactly what dickhead cops want you to do so t hey can f**k with you.  Who knows, either way this is not a big story

You start off by saying you don't know what happened... but speculate they were wasted?
Lets for a moment assume they were. They were in a private home. If the music was too loud, let them turn it down. A kid got maced in his own apartment for giving a cop attitude? That is a big deal. I'm sure it is also for the kids who got maced, and for the cop who did the macing 'cause there are now 13 civilian complaints filed against him. Macing someone with his hands in the air on private property? Real professional NOT!
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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2007, 03:17:22 AM »
when you post an article post a link to the source ... much as i hate cops, the sanctification of these students in the article is bullshit, as cav said it was 2 am

my best bet is teh black kids were mouthy and the cops put them in their places ... happens to mouthy white guys too btw

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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2007, 08:01:29 AM »
hahahaha, this is heart warming story. hahahaha, too bad they didn't use bullets instead of mace.

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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2007, 08:29:46 AM »
Yeah I'm calling bullshit on this, 2 am 20 kids in a small apartment give me a break  ::)
Whenver the NAACP is called you usually know it's bullshit

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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2007, 08:32:33 AM »

Rucker doesn't agree with the police department's version of that night's events. His guests have filed formal civil complaints against the Kent Police Department.


surprise, surprise.  somebody disagrees with the cops.




Rucker said he "just wanted my friends to come over to my place and have a fun, safe get together for my birthday. When I heard the officers were coming up, I told my friends to turn down the music and be quiet."



ohhh, how sweet.  he just wanted a quiet night with his friends.  bless his heart.  he told his friends to turn down the music.  what more could he do?

what a load of BS




"I am not a violent person, and I wasn't being aggressive at all," he said. "I feel it was overreaction on their behalf."




everyone is always the innocent ones, it's always the cops fault.


Rucker could not file a complaint because he was arrested. Instead, he has requested help from the Kent State NAACP and the NAACP at the state level.



great, every black leader with REV. in front of his name will be pissing and moaning about the white cop again.

YAWN



that stupid kid got what he deserved. 
no one knows what a cop deals with until you walk a mile in their shoes
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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2007, 08:37:45 AM »
much as i hate cops,



they protect your rights, cops have died protecting the publics rights and freedoms and you make comments like this.   >:(    >:(

show a little respect

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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2007, 08:45:38 AM »

they protect your rights, cops have died protecting the publics rights and freedoms and you make comments like this.   >:(    >:(

show a little respect

there are good cops and there are bad cops.

if you've ever been stopped and had a cop treat you like shit for no reason, you might hate cops.

Just because some cops do very good things, doesn't mean all deserve the blanket respect.  Just like because some cops do very bad things, all don't deserve blanket disrespect.  You treat them with a level of respect and compliance commensurate with the positional authority the badge grants... but if they fck with you and abuse this power, you

1) ask for their supervisor and a video camera

2) ask for a lawyer, or

3) make a rude website about the cop (pshopped gay porn usually works), host it anonymously in europe, send him a link, and ask him not to show up in court for your ticket.

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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2007, 09:04:18 AM »
there are good cops and there are bad cops.

if you've ever been stopped and had a cop treat you like shit for no reason, you might hate cops.

Just because some cops do very good things, doesn't mean all deserve the blanket respect.  Just like because some cops do very bad things, all don't deserve blanket disrespect.  You treat them with a level of respect and compliance commensurate with the positional authority the badge grants... but if they fck with you and abuse this power, you

1) ask for their supervisor and a video camera

2) ask for a lawyer, or

3) make a rude website about the cop (pshopped gay porn usually works), host it anonymously in europe, send him a link, and ask him not to show up in court for your ticket.


i totally agree with you. 

trust me when i say this, i have had more than my share of dealing with the police. more than alot of peoples share.   :-X   cops will treat you like you treat them.  they pull you over, or what ever the case, they can sense if you have a 'i hate the cops' mindset.  and they will react to that because, first and foremost, they have to protect themselves, and second, they have to protect anyone else involved in the situation at hand.  do some cross the line?  of course.  and the ones that continue to cross the line and disrespect the public will have what's coming to them, one day. 

but in a case where the news media reports a cop has gone over the line and all you read about is the "victims" side of the case, then i will always take the side of the police.  until i hear differently. 

but who honestly cares if a smart mouth, drunk college kid got maced?  he'll get over it.


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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2007, 09:10:09 AM »
but who honestly cares if a smart mouth, drunk college kid got maced?  he'll get over it.

slipperty slope there.

It's okay to mace him if he's drunk and smart mouthed, okay.
That's about 10% of NFL crowds and 90% of rock concert crowds.  Should police be able to mace these groups at will?

What if he's ONLY drunk, or ONLY loud mouthed?
Okay, that means police now have unilateral permission to mace anyone in American who drinks.  Also, they can now mace anyone with a smart mouth. We've just reinstated prohibition and removed the 1st amendment then?

Not to defend the little douche, but there are cops who would use this blanket permission to suddenly mace the fck out of anyone with one beer in them, or who didn't say "yes sir" fast enough with every response.  When man cannot be counted on to police himself and use his own power correctly, societal standards need to be applied to ensure he cannot.  In other words, create the rules so that devils could run the place.  Take away the decisional power which will invariably lead to unchecked abuses.

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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2007, 09:28:18 AM »
surprise, surprise.  somebody disagrees with the cops.


Tell me about it.  I wish they could disable the 911 feature on some of these anti-law enforcement people's phones. 

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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2007, 09:30:36 AM »
Tell me about it.  I wish they could disable the 911 feature on some of these anti-law enforcement people's phones. 

would we still have to subsidize abusive cops with our tax dollars?


also you're starting to come off as a standoffish, overcompensating elitist lately.

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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2007, 09:39:04 AM »
would we still have to subsidize abusive cops with our tax dollars?


also you're starting to come off as a standoffish, overcompensating elitist lately.

Don't be so defensive.  Are you one of those who do nothing but bash law enforcement?  If not, then shut the heck up, because I wasn't referring to you.   ::) 

Also, you're starting to come off as a nut who sees a conspiracy under every rock.   Wait . . . . never mind . . . .

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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2007, 09:44:24 AM »
no, i actually don't, and i've shot you down on numerous conspiracy mentions you made, like tupac and sadaam.


While you may or may not believe there are any 'inside jobs' that have gone on in the last ten years, are you at least sensible enough not to rule them out?  Two conspiracies from the 60s (USS Liberty and the Gulf of Tonken) have both been revealed to be true from decalssified documents as faked incidents as pretexts for war.

I guess I don't understand how any reasonable person could RULE OUT the possibility of current events being inside jobs when history shows there is a good chance that 40 years after the event, the information will come to light which absolutely proves the CTers correct.

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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2007, 10:02:49 AM »
gof f**k yourself :)

they can be good people ... and they can be bullies, punks who powertrip, think they are above the law, testalying ....


its an old boys club, i get a boner when i read about one getting popped on the job ;D

hey, douche, lose the attitude.  just a friendly debate here.   i can see with your attitude why a cop would work you over.


slipperty slope there.

It's okay to mace him if he's drunk and smart mouthed, okay.
That's about 10% of NFL crowds and 90% of rock concert crowds.  Should police be able to mace these groups at will?

What if he's ONLY drunk, or ONLY loud mouthed?



i never said that was WHY they maced him.  just describing the little punk. 

what you are only reading about is the kids side.  of course he's going to make hisself out to be an angel.  of course he's going to say he done nothing wrong, that he was provoked.


Okay, that means police now have unilateral permission to mace anyone in American who drinks.  Also, they can now mace anyone with a smart mouth. We've just reinstated prohibition and removed the 1st amendment then?




 whooooa, trigger.  slow down.  i never implied any of those things.


Tell me about it.  I wish they could disable the 911 feature on some of these anti-law enforcement people's phones. 


my feelings exactly.  all these anti-cop idiots in the world, who are the first person they call when someone breaks into there home. 





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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2007, 10:07:45 AM »
i never said that was WHY they maced him.  just describing the little punk. 

what you are only reading about is the kids side.  of course he's going to make hisself out to be an angel.  of course he's going to say he done nothing wrong, that he was provoked.

nah, i was pointing out YOUR take on it:

but who honestly cares if a smart mouth, drunk college kid got maced?  he'll get over it.

You don't care that some kid got maced for being loud and drunk.  Problem is, the longterm healthcare costs which could come from being maced and falling down and getting injured outweigh the "streetjustice" that the cop is allowed to dish out.

The kid belongs in jail for disorderly conduct.  but macing him because "he deserves it" or "he'll get over it" invites police abuse.  And if it was YOUR kid, would you want him getting maced and risking injury just because he had a few beers and didn't watch his tongue?

yes, punish him legally.  No, don't mace him freely and increase risks.

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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2007, 10:35:38 AM »


Problem is, the longterm healthcare costs 


joke right???  i thought so.



The kid belongs in jail for disorderly conduct.  but macing him because "he deserves it" or "he'll get over it" invites police abuse.  And if it was YOUR kid, would you want him getting maced and risking injury just because he had a few beers and didn't watch his tongue?

if it was my kid, i'd leave him in jail as long as possible and then whoop his a**  when he got home. 
why do you keep saying the reason they maced him was only because he had a few beers and smarted off???
of course no one deserves that just for a few beers.  i personally know what these dumb kids say and do to cops when they get like that.  the testosterone is flowing, they feel as big as a mountain and they think they can whoop anybody.  what better way to show you're a "MAN" to all your buddies and the little brainless girls at the party than to buck up to a cop.  this kid wanted bragging rights for future parties.  " man, i told that cop what to suck, i sucker punched that cop." 
instant man. 

this stupid kid messed with the bull and he got the horns.
i bet you 5 bucks he won't do it again.
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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2007, 10:50:18 AM »
the kid was a prick and deserved punishment.

but not physical punishment.


Dude, step back, think.  If your kid got drunk, made a mistake, and smarted off, would you prefer he be arrested and issued a ticket, or would you prefer he be maced, knocked down, then thrown into jail?

You don't realize that in 1 in 10 or 1 in 50 cases, the kid getting maced is going to get seriously fucked up.  Whether it be a fall, a reaction, shock, who knows.  You cannot control the effects of the agent as well as you can control the use of handcuffs and standard procedure.

I guess you're not seeing my point.  when you allow the random use of mace, you escalate situations and create add'l risk beyond the scope of the kids offense, and on a completely randomly enforced basis.

this is not a good foundation for law.

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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2007, 11:48:09 AM »
youre aruging with a retard 240

hope this helps :D

do you always insult people on every thread?? 

since all you want is an insult thread, i guess i can join in.

why do go make another 9-11 CT thread, call the rest of retards for disagreeing, and masterbate in your own feces you prick.  you're right, i do feel better.

now back to the debate, what sane people do here.



If your kid got drunk, made a mistake, and smarted off, would you prefer he be arrested and issued a ticket, or would you prefer he be maced, knocked down, then thrown into jail?

i'll ask again, why do you assume that was all he done??  do you not know there are 2 sides to this story. 
if my child put himself into that type of situation, then he better be prepared to pay the piper.  nothing good ever comes from alcohol. 
like i stated on another thread, no one wants to accept responsibilty for their actions these days.  the kid is having to pay for what he done, and he don't like it.  i'm sure daddy will bail him out.

let me agree with you for a moment, of course cops abuse their authority.  if ALL this kid done was smart off then, no, he should not have been maced.   but i am positive there is more to this story than what is being told. 



You don't realize that in 1 in 10 or 1 in 50 cases, the kid getting maced is going to get seriously fucked up.  Whether it be a fall, a reaction, shock, who knows.  You cannot control the effects of the agent as well as you can control the use of handcuffs and standard procedure.


ok, then maybe these people should think twice before doing something stupid.

words to live by- if you're going to be stupid, then you gotta be tough. 
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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2007, 12:16:26 PM »
I "assume that's all he's done" because that is all the info we have here.

He *could* have just saved the Pope from a fire, or kidnapped the Lindbergh baby.

We don't know.

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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2007, 01:45:10 PM »
cop attacks kid??? typical pussy liberal responce.. conservative types will say- the kid must have done something stupid.. liberals will come up with a stupid headline like this- always blaming someone else and jumping to conclusions...

i used to do a beat near a college,, same calls to the same apartments every weekend.. never had a problem- shit, i used to do them same thing,, but i just told them to be quiet and not to get into trouble. i let them do shit they wernt supposed to because they were always cool to us...but if one of those kids acted up,made a threat, or endangered himself or someone else - they would go down... which is what ill assume happend in this situation..

cops do not want to use their mace, their batton, or their gun.. EVER.. we always know a lawsuit is comming, and we just dont want to deal with it.. when a cop goes on a call he wants nothing to happen,, as soon as you slap on those cuffs you know your getting 5 hours of paperwork,lawyers, and court appearances shoved up your ass.. s

are there asshole cops- yes.. are there asshole people- yes.. take responsibility for your own actions and stop bitching










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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2007, 08:47:38 PM »
cop attacks kid??? typical pussy liberal responce.. conservative types will say- the kid must have done something stupid.. liberals will come up with a stupid headline like this- always blaming someone else and jumping to conclusions...

i used to do a beat near a college,, same calls to the same apartments every weekend.. never had a problem- shit, i used to do them same thing,, but i just told them to be quiet and not to get into trouble. i let them do shit they wernt supposed to because they were always cool to us...but if one of those kids acted up,made a threat, or endangered himself or someone else - they would go down... which is what ill assume happend in this situation..

cops do not want to use their mace, their batton, or their gun.. EVER.. we always know a lawsuit is comming, and we just dont want to deal with it.. when a cop goes on a call he wants nothing to happen,, as soon as you slap on those cuffs you know your getting 5 hours of paperwork,lawyers, and court appearances shoved up your ass.. s

are there asshole cops- yes.. are there asshole people- yes.. take responsibility for your own actions and stop bitching


I don't blame you for being frustrated.  Like Mighty Mouse said, the same folks who do nothing but bash cops will be the first ones calling them when they have a problem.  It's a thankless job. 

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Re: Cop attacks kid with mace in his own apartment
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2007, 09:03:30 PM »
It's tough to hand cops weapons and then count on them at appropriate moments, I mean maybe I would have used mace, maybe I wouldn't, but I wasn't there was I? I find it difficult to have a legitimate opinion on this premise alone. We weren't there, maybe there are things we don't know, and maybe the cop is a jerk and should be thrown off the force who the F knows.