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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #100 on: January 21, 2007, 03:26:03 PM »
Like I caught you back-peddling at the truce thread, and then owned your ass brutally? You are truly a worthless little shit, Sperm.

yawn, all talk and no show. Where did I back-peddle? Show me where you owned me. All you do is post strawman after strawman, then attack them and say you owned me. I stopped responding to you after a while b/c your posts became so retarded that anyone could see you were talking out of your ass.

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #101 on: January 21, 2007, 03:35:38 PM »
yawn, all talk and no show. Where did I back-peddle? Show me where you owned me. All you do is post strawman after strawman, then attack them and say you owned me. I stopped responding to you after a while b/c your posts became so retarded that anyone could see you were talking out of your ass.

  You back-peddled and I owned you when you said that you were talkig about the 2001 ASC Ronnie having muscles that looked bigger than Dorian's, when in reality you were talking about lean body mass. The evidence? Otherwise, you wouldn't have brought up how Dorian's supposedly larger gut and heaier bone structure added to his bodyweight. ;) This is also true for the speculation about the 1999 Ronnie's vs Dorian's back mass ad width. Me owning you is so commonplace that I am appalled that you have the audacity to keep your high-horse attitude when you have been bitch-slapped by me en absurdum. And by the way, it's not a "strawman"  just because I don't quote your exact words; that's your strawman! I don't need to quote the exact words because it doesen't chage the meaning regardless. Sperm, you are a moron. :-\

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #102 on: January 21, 2007, 03:39:30 PM »
  I stopped responding to you after a while b/c your posts became so retarded that anyone could see you were talking out of your ass.

  Keep telling that to yourself. Even Pobrecito, who by the way doesen't like me very much, pointed out that I owned you when it comes to your moronic claims about the the difference in mass between Dorian and the 2001 ASC Ronnie. You stopped responding because you got owned and you know it. ;)

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #103 on: January 21, 2007, 03:42:43 PM »
  Keep telling that to yourself. Even Pobrecito, who by the way doesen't like me very much, pointed out that I owned you when it comes to your moronic claims about the the difference in mass between Dorian and the 2001 ASC Ronnie. You stopped responding because you got owned and you know it. ;)

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Neo said Ronnie 2001 had the same size as 1999 and equal conditioning in 1998 lol 244 pounds now equals 257?

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #104 on: January 21, 2007, 03:46:56 PM »
Neo said Ronnie 2001 had the same size as 1999 and equal conditioning in 1998 lol 244 pounds now equals 257?

  So isn't this dumbass saying that the 1999 Ronnie carried 13 lbs more of water and fat than he did in 1998? Sperm you are so dumb that you've just unwillingly owned Hulkster! ;D

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #105 on: January 21, 2007, 04:05:07 PM »
You back-peddled and I owned you when you said that you were talkig about the 2001 ASC Ronnie having muscles that looked bigger than Dorian's, when in reality you were talking about lean body mass. The evidence? Otherwise, you wouldn't have brought up how Dorian's supposedly larger gut and heaier bone structure added to his bodyweight. This is also true for the speculation about the 1999 Ronnie's vs Dorian's back mass ad width. Me owning you is so commonplace that I am appalled that you have the audacity to keep your high-horse attitude when you have been bitch-slapped by me en absurdum. And by the way, it's not a "strawman"  just because I don't quote your exact words; that's your strawman! I don't need to quote the exact words because it doesen't chage the meaning regardless. Sperm, you are a moron.

ha ha ha ha, I'm still waiting for you to post my quote where I said that. I don't remember exactly what I said. So it's impossible for me to comment on something you 'think' I said. For all I know, I could have said that 01 ASC Ronnie had nearly equal lean mass (I was comparing him to 93 Dorian). Ronnie weighed only 10-13 lbs less depending on which source you read. Considering that his thighs were noticeably smaller in 01, it's probable that most of the loss in lean mass came from his quads while the rest of him maintained the same size as 99. You have to remember this is 2 yrs AFTER the 99 Mr. Olympia. Ronnie has stated that he adds roughly 5 lbs of muscle every year. Are you honestly trying to tell me (and this is how I know you are talking out of your ass) that Ronnie didn't add a single lb of muscle in that time? Do you really believe that he actually shrunk from 99 to 01? ::)

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #106 on: January 21, 2007, 04:09:44 PM »
Keep telling that to yourself. Even Pobrecito, who by the way doesen't like me very much, pointed out that I owned you when it comes to your moronic claims about the the difference in mass between Dorian and the 2001 ASC Ronnie. You stopped responding because you got owned and you know it.

"keep telling that to yourself?" Oh please, get out of here with that shit. You say that like I really have to convince myself that you spew misinformation from your mouth. You hold the unique distinction of being the only person in the truce thread to get owned by both sides of the debate. Several people have commented that your posts, although lengthy, are full of crap that is easily refuted upon second glance.

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #107 on: January 21, 2007, 04:17:53 PM »
I want to know how arnold would have shrinked when he went down same level of bodyfat as ronnies bodyfat.

If arnold was on the same shit ronnie's on, he'd actually be bigger and leaner, with his superior stucture to boot.

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #108 on: January 21, 2007, 04:51:32 PM »
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You hold the unique distinction of being the only person in the truce thread to get owned by both sides of the debate. Several people have commented that your posts, although lengthy, are full of crap that is easily refuted upon second glance.

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #109 on: January 21, 2007, 07:00:01 PM »
ha ha ha ha, I'm still waiting for you to post my quote where I said that. I don't remember exactly what I said. So it's impossible for me to comment on something you 'think' I said. For all I know, I could have said that 01 ASC Ronnie had nearly equal lean mass (I was comparing him to 93 Dorian). Ronnie weighed only 10-13 lbs less depending on which source you read. Considering that his thighs were noticeably smaller in 01, it's probable that most of the loss in lean mass came from his quads while the rest of him maintained the same size as 99. You have to remember this is 2 yrs AFTER the 99 Mr. Olympia. Ronnie has stated that he adds roughly 5 lbs of muscle every year. Are you honestly trying to tell me (and this is how I know you are talking out of your ass) that Ronnie didn't add a single lb of muscle in that time? Do you really believe that he actually shrunk from 99 to 01? ::)

  The fact that he added muscular bodyweight is improbable, since he was lighter at the 2001 ASC than at the 1999 Olympia. Unless he had tons of bodyfat at the 1999 Olympia, it is impossible for him to have gained muscular bodyweight from 1999 to 2001 and yet lost bodyweight. Where did the loss of bodyfat come from then, you Cuban son of a c.u.n.t.

  We have been already over this. Just because a muscle looks bigger, it doesen't mean that it actually is. If you got the tape measurer and compared the 2001 ASC Ronnie's measurements to that of either the 1993 or 95 Dorian, you would see that Dorian's measurements were mostly bigger than Ronnie's. Coleman's muscles look bigger than they are because:

 1. His muscle bellies are rounder - This gives an impression of added fullness. Especially true when compared to Dorian's flat muscles.

 2. His joints are smaller - Contrast creates an illusion of size where there's any. Wheeler managed to look bigger than guys who outweighted him by 30 bs and as big as those who outweighted him by 50 lbs because his joints were tiny. Coleman's joints might not be as small as Wheeler's, but they're certainly smaller than Dorian's.

  Furthermore, even if Ronnie's measurements were mostly bigger than Dorian's, this still wouldn't mean that Ronnie carried more lean muscle mass. Why? Water. Ronnie's muscles are fuller, which mean that they carry more water inside them, and he isn't as dry as Dorian, which means that he carries more water underneath his skin. So Dorian could carry more mass even if his measurements were smaller. ;)

  The only way I would take your argument seriously is if Dorian's midsection and skeletal frame truly weighted more than Dorian's. Unfortunately for you, even the 2001 ASC Ronnie had a gut distension that was, at the very least, as bad as that of the 1995 Dorian - but probably worse. As for the skeletal frame, there you go picking at straws to try to walk yourself out of your embarassing proposition. The difference is very small, and odds are that Ronnie's frame weights more anyways.

  So, in conclusion, you got owned epically by yours truly, but I won't mention it again. Why? Because you know it. ;) I embarassed you showing the nonsensical nature of your retarded logic, and took you to school. As for the truce thread, like I said, all my posts are there for everyone to read and judge who owed whom. ;)

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #110 on: January 21, 2007, 07:01:04 PM »
"keep telling that to yourself?" Oh please, get out of here with that shit. You say that like I really have to convince myself that you spew misinformation from your mouth. You hold the unique distinction of being the only person in the truce thread to get owned by both sides of the debate. Several people have commented that your posts, although lengthy, are full of crap that is easily refuted upon second glance.

   :'(

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #111 on: January 21, 2007, 08:02:07 PM »
The fact that he added muscular bodyweight is improbable, since he was lighter at the 2001 ASC than at the 1999 Olympia. Unless he had tons of bodyfat at the 1999 Olympia, it is impossible for him to have gained muscular bodyweight from 1999 to 2001 and yet lost bodyweight. Where did the loss of bodyfat come from then, you Cuban son of a c.u.n.t.

how pathetic!!! You know you've already won when your opponent resorts to personal attacks. ::)

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We have been already over this. Just because a muscle looks bigger, it doesen't mean that it actually is. If you got the tape measurer and compared the 2001 ASC Ronnie's measurements to that of either the 1993 or 95 Dorian, you would see that Dorian's measurements were mostly bigger than Ronnie's. Coleman's muscles look bigger than they are because:

all talk and no show. That seems to be the theme with your posts. I've asked the Dorian nuthuggers repeatedly where Dorian was bigger than Ronnie besides the calves and midsection. So far nobody has been able to answer me. I contend that 01 ASC Ronnie had bigger arms, delts, pecs, and glutes. Please note that I'm comparing him to 93 Dorian. Their backs and thighs were tied in size, and Ronnie's conditioning may even have exceeded Dorian's (I feel that 01 ASC matched Dorian's best ever conditioning in 95).

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The only way I would take your argument seriously is if Dorian's midsection and skeletal frame truly weighted more than Dorian's. Unfortunately for you, even the 2001 ASC Ronnie had a gut distension that was, at the very least, as bad as that of the 1995 Dorian - but probably worse. As for the skeletal frame, there you go picking at straws to try to walk yourself out of your embarassing proposition. The difference is very small, and odds are that Ronnie's frame weights more anyways.

Both had distended stomachs. However, Dorian also had a wider waist that increased the total volume of his midsection. You must realize the abdomen is not some hollow cavity filled with gas. There are organs and muscles inside, which add weight. Dorian also carried more skeletal mass. He has a larger rib cage, wider hips and thicker joints. Now factor in Ronnie's downsized quads. It's easy to see where most of the 10-13 lbs difference came from.

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #112 on: January 21, 2007, 10:37:46 PM »
how pathetic!!! You know you've already won when your opponent resorts to personal attacks. ::)

  Like you calling others "dipshit"? ;)  Now seriously, let me get this straight. You're saying that Ronnie gained 5 lbs of mass from 1999 on. So, he was carrying 10 lbs more of mass at the 2001 ASC, and yet his bodyweight was 13 lbs lower. This means that he lost 26 lbs of body mass other than muscle for your hypothesis to be true. Where did this come from? Ronnie was already very lean and depleted in 1999, so his incredible drop of body mass could not possibly be explained by a decrease in either fat or water - only a few pounds could be explained by that. Furthermore, since the weight of the internal organs and bones is stable, the decrease in bodyweight could not have come from anywhere else. You just got owned. Your theory is bullshit. If anything, Ronnie's body mass should have increased, due to the organ weight gain caused from all that GH. ;D ;)

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all talk and no show. That seems to be the theme with your posts. I've asked the Dorian nuthuggers repeatedly where Dorian was bigger than Ronnie besides the calves and midsection. So far nobody has been able to answer me. I contend that 01 ASC Ronnie had bigger arms, delts, pecs, and glutes. Please note that I'm comparing him to 93 Dorian. Their backs and thighs were tied in size, and Ronnie's conditioning may even have exceeded Dorian's (I feel that 01 ASC matched Dorian's best ever conditioning in 95).

  I have already explained where Dorian was bigger: in all the same bodyparts you've just mentioned, except glutes. One more time, just because it looks like Ronnie is bigger on those bodyparts, it doesen't mean he is. The tape measuere is the only arbitrer here. By the way, you were talking about lean body mass, not visual size. Muscle weights more than water, and Ronnie has more water both outside and inside his muscles. You're just dumb if you think that looking at a muscle is an accurate way to measure it's size, let alone the amount of lean body mass contained there. I cannot take seriously your hypothesis that Dorian had greater weight only on calves and midsection. This is especially true considering that Ronnie had the bigger midsection, and that calves represent only about 5% of the body's muscle mass. Skeletal frame is a stretch.

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Both had distended stomachs. However, Dorian also had a wider waist that increased the total volume of his midsection. You must realize the abdomen is not some hollow cavity filled with gas. There are organs and muscles inside, which add weight. Dorian also carried more skeletal mass. He has a larger rib cage, wider hips and thicker joints. Now factor in Ronnie's downsized quads. It's easy to see where most of the 10-13 lbs difference came from.

  But Ronnie's stomach was far more distended. Which means that his iternal organs were bigger. And Dorian's frame might be bigger, but his bones are likely lighter, so that's picking at straws. Black Men have an average of 50% more Calcium density than White Men, so I bet Ronnie's frame added more weight to the scales than Dorian's. This means more of Dorian's lean bodyweight was muscle tissue. ;)

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #113 on: January 21, 2007, 11:09:57 PM »
Like you calling others "dipshit"? ;)

spare me your winks, you fagg*t. There's a big difference between calling someone a "dipshit" and a "Cuban son of a c.u.n.t." Apparently, you are too stupid to realize this.

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Now seriously, let me get this straight. You're saying that Ronnie gained 5 lbs of mass from 1999 on. So, he was carrying 10 lbs more of mass at the 2001 ASC, and yet his bodyweight was 13 lbs lower. This means that he lost 26 lbs of body mass other than muscle for your hypothesis to be true. Where did this come from? Ronnie was already very lean and depleted in 1999, so his incredible drop of body mass could not possibly be explained by a decrease in either fat or water - only a few pounds could be explained by that. Furthermore, since the weight of the internal organs and bones is stable, the decrease in bodyweight could not have come from anywhere else.

I never claimed that Ronnie gained 10 lbs of lean mass from 99 to 01. I was merely pointing out that it's very unlikely that he carried less muscle than in 99. I already explained to you where the difference in weight probably came from.

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I have already explained where Dorian was bigger: in all the same bodyparts you've just mentioned, except glutes. One more time, just because it looks like Ronnie is bigger on those bodyparts, it doesen't mean he is. The tape measuere is the only arbitrer here. By the way, you were talking about lean body mass, not visual size. Muscle weights more than water, and Ronnie has more water both outside and inside his muscles. You're just dumb if you think that looking at a muscle is an accurate way to measure it's size, let alone the amount of lean body mass contained there. I cannot take seriously your hypothesis that Dorian had greater weight only on calves and midsection. This is especially true considering that Ronnie had the bigger midsection, and that calves represent only about 5% of the body's muscle mass. Skeletal frame is a stretch.

Do you honestly believe that 93 Dorian had bigger arms and legs than 01 ASC Ronnie, or that his delts and pecs were larger? ???









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But Ronnie's stomach was far more distended. Which means that his iternal organs were bigger. And Dorian's frame might be bigger, but his bones are likely lighter, so that's picking at straws. Black Men have an average of 50% more Calcium density than White Men, so I bet Ronnie's frame added more weight to the scales than Dorian's. This means more of Dorian's lean bodyweight was muscle tissue.

wrong, Dorian's stomach was just as distended as Ronnie's.









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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #114 on: January 22, 2007, 12:01:29 AM »



If you take away the conditioning, cos Ronnie's used a lot more chemicals to get it, this is what I see:-

Pecs - Arnold - Thicker
Bi's - Arnold - More mass, just (Tough one, Ronnie's got separation but maybe Arnold would have with the better conditioning)
Tri's - Ronnie - Easy, far more mass
Lat's - Draw - Ronnie's got the size, but Arnold's have a nicer shape and sweep to them.
Abs - Arnold - No distension
Quads - Ronnie - Far more mass and good separation
Calves - Arnold - Better shape and size

Arnold wins 4:2    ;D

At the end of the day though, it all depends who's looking.  I like a more classical shape, whereas others just want eye-popping size.  Each to their own.   ;)
arnold had both eye-popping size and amazing shape.it would be awesome to have a body like arnies.his body was more than perfect
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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #115 on: January 22, 2007, 09:10:12 AM »
arnold had both eye-popping size and amazing shape.it would be awesome to have a body like arnies.his body was more than perfect

Agreed

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #116 on: January 22, 2007, 12:59:52 PM »
Ronnie is on about ten times more drugs than Arnold in that pic. Give Arnold some Tren, Supension, GH, Insulin, and Clen, and you would be shocked at how much of a difference it would make.
 
 people always leave that part out.

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« Reply #117 on: January 22, 2007, 06:50:58 PM »
spare me your winks, you fagg*t. There's a big difference between calling someone a "dipshit" and a "Cuban son of a c.u.n.t." Apparently, you are too stupid to realize this.

  I'll call you whatever I want to, and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. This is evident by the fact that you reported one of my posts to the mods some time ago, trying to get me banned or in time out, and it didn't work. I called you that because all Cuban Women are whores. When I went to Havana three years ago, there was a statistic that something like 70% of them sell themselves to gringos. I certainly screwed many of them. ;) So it is reasonable to assume that your mother is a prostitute, or has worked in prostitution at some given time - statistically likely.

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I never claimed that Ronnie gained 10 lbs of lean mass from 99 to 01. I was merely pointing out that it's very unlikely that he carried less muscle than in 99. I already explained to you where the difference in weight probably came from.

  Bullshit. You did, in fact, say that Ronnie put on 5 lbs of muscle mass per year. Then logically, he would have carried 10 lbs of muscle more in 2001 than 1999. Since he was actually 13 lbs lighter in 2001, it means that he must have lost 23 lbs elsewhere - for your idiotic theory to be correct. Since Ronnie was already at 3% bodyfat in 1999, and since the weight of bones and organs is stable, where were these 23 lbs lost from? ::) He was dryer in 2001, grated, but no oe carries 23 lbs of subcutaneous water. Your argument is just retarded and I exposed you for the intellectual train wreck that you truly are. ;D

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Do you honestly believe that 93 Dorian had bigger arms and legs than 01 ASC Ronnie,

  I think he did. But I could be wrong. Regardless, this has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Posting pics is irrelevant since you claimed that Ronnie carried more lean mass, and not that his muscles looked bigger. The fact that Ronnie's bodyparts look bigger to you has no relevance in establishing measurements, let alone the amount of muscle mass contained in such bodyparts. If Ronnie's arms were 22" in 1999 and he was 13 lbs lighter in 2001, it is reasonable to expect that Ronnie's arms were around 21" in 2001. The same as Dorian. And even if Dorian's arms were smaller in measurement, it still doesen't tell aythig about who carries the most lean muscle tissue. I would have no problem with your argument if you had just said that Ronnie's muscles looked bigger to you; the problem is that you tried to establish causality between this visual assesment and actual amount of muscle tissue. Correlation does not equate causality. There are many confounding variable here, but logic tells me that Dorian carried the most muscle mass.

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or that his delts and pecs were larger? ???

  Who cares? The real question is: Does Dorian's delts and pecs add more weight to his physique than Ronnie's pecs and delts add to his? I think they did. ;)

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #118 on: January 22, 2007, 07:27:31 PM »
In fact, this question is so uninteresting that I feel the need to immediately reframe it...

Who scored the hotter chick?




damn you went there!!!!!

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« Reply #119 on: January 22, 2007, 08:28:55 PM »
I'll call you whatever I want to, and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. This is evident by the fact that you reported one of my posts to the mods some time ago, trying to get me banned or in time out, and it didn't work. I called you that because all Cuban Women are whores. When I went to Havana three years ago, there was a statistic that something like 70% of them sell themselves to gringos. I certainly screwed many of them. So it is reasonable to assume that your mother is a prostitute, or has worked in prostitution at some given time - statistically likely.

ha ha ha ha, you'll call me whatever you want to? Go ahead if you want to sound like a fool. I'm not stopping you. Furthermore, my mom is not Cuban. My dad is. So there goes the rest of your comment.

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Bullshit. You did, in fact, say that Ronnie put on 5 lbs of muscle mass per year. Then logically, he would have carried 10 lbs of muscle more in 2001 than 1999. Since he was actually 13 lbs lighter in 2001, it means that he must have lost 23 lbs elsewhere - for your idiotic theory to be correct. Since Ronnie was already at 3% bodyfat in 1999, and since the weight of bones and organs is stable, where were these 23 lbs lost from? He was dryer in 2001, grated, but no oe carries 23 lbs of subcutaneous water. Your argument is just retarded and I exposed you for the intellectual train wreck that you truly are.

bullshit what? I said that Ronnie stated he adds roughly 5 lbs of muscle every year. Nowhere did I say that he did in fact gain that much muscle from 99 to 01. Again, your post contains nothing but lies and misinformation. Why am I not surprised? ::)

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I think he did. But I could be wrong. Regardless, this has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Posting pics is irrelevant since you claimed that Ronnie carried more lean mass, and not that his muscles looked bigger. The fact that Ronnie's bodyparts look bigger to you has no relevance i establishing measurements, let alone amout of muscle mass contaied i such bodyparts. If Ronnie's arms were 22" in 1999 and he was 13 lbs lighter in 2001, it is reasonable to expect that Ronnie's arms were around 21" in 2001. The same as Dorian. And even if Dorian's arms were smaller in measurement, it still doese't tell aythig about who carries the most lean muscle tissue. I would have no problem with your argument if you had just said that Ronnie's muscles looked bigger to you; the problem is that you tried to establish causality between this visual assesment and actual amount of muscle tissue. Correlation does not equate causality. There are many confounding variable here, but logic tells me that Dorian carried the most muscle mass.

Ronnie's conditioning at the 01 ASC tied Dorian's best ever conditioning. This means he carried just as much, if not less, fat and water than 93 Dorian. Ronnie's quads were also downsized from previous years. His chest may have been slightly less full too. Less fat and less water plus smaller quads = most of the 10-13 lbs difference from 99. The rest of him was visibly the same size as before. His muscles may have been smaller due to less intracellular water, but the difference is so minuscule that you cannot tell.

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #120 on: January 22, 2007, 08:39:50 PM »


Ronnie's conditioning at the 01 ASC tied Dorian's best ever conditioning.

pfftttt hahahaha....put the pipe down kid ;)

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #121 on: January 22, 2007, 09:53:25 PM »
ha ha ha ha, you'll call me whatever you want to? Go ahead if you want to sound like a fool. I'm not stopping you. Furthermore, my mom is not Cuban. My dad is. So there goes the rest of your comment.

  Who ended up like a fool was you, after you reported me - on the five years I've been posting here, I've never reported anyone else's post - to the mods, and they didn't give me even a slap in the wrist. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... ;D

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bullshit what? I said that Ronnie stated he adds roughly 5 lbs of muscle every year. Nowhere did I say that he did in fact gain that much muscle from 99 to 01. Again, your post contains nothing but lies and misinformation. Why am I not surprised? ::)

  Then why did you bring this up, retard? You were obviously trying to imply that Ronnie gained that amount of muscle, to susbstantiate your claims that Ronnie had bigger delts, chest, etc. Boring.

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Ronnie's conditioning at the 01 ASC tied Dorian's best ever conditioning. This means he carried just as much, if not less, fat and water than 93 Dorian.

  This is impossible. Both were around 3% bodyfat, and while Ronnie might have been as dry as Dorian in terms of extracellular water - I'm being very generous-, he certainly had more of it insdide his muscles because they were always fuller. Regardless, I think Dorian was drier. But let's pretend they were equal in this regard. First, it is not relevant where the lean body mass is located, since we're evaluating total lean body mass. If Ronnie had bigger delts and chest and yet smaller quads, this does nothing to explain the 13 lbs difference: again, the fact remains that Dorian weights 13 lbs more with similar fat and water levels. 13 lbs of bones is impossible, and Ronnie's frame is very likely heavier. The gut distension is worse on Ronnie, so that can't be it. Now, let's pretend that Dorian did carry 13 more of gut and bones than Ronnie - not true, but let's assume. This still does nothing to prove that Ronnie had more lean mass, as they would be equal.

  The only way to see who carried the most mass would be by doing a MRI and X-ray evaluation of their entire bodies, to see how much bone, nerve, organ and muscular skeletal tissue weight they had at their respective forms. Everything else is purely speculation, although the odds are strongly in my favor that I'm correct. Your assertion that Ronnie gained muscular tissue and yet lost 13 lbs of bodyweight from 1999 to 2001 is the most retarded thing I've ever read at this board. Where did that weight come from? Even if you had said that he merely maintained his muscle mass would be retarded, since it is extremely unlikely that Ronnie in his superb 1999 Olympia form had even half that much of fat and water to lose. He was drier at the 2001 ASC, but we're talking about a couple pounds here. Even if he lost water both intramuscularly as well as extramuscularly, it still would add up to 5 lbs or so, not 13 lbs. At the most.

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Ronnie's quads were also downsized from previous years. His chest may have been slightly less full too. Less fat and less water plus smaller quads = most of the 10-13 lbs difference from 99.

  Less fat is impossible. Less water is a few pounds at the most. And pointing out that his quads were smaller only means that he had less mass overral - if you assume that his other measurements remained stactic. He would have to have lost more than 13 lbs of quad mass to have gained mass elsewhere and yet still decrease 13 lbs in bodyweight. If he gained 10 lbs of mass elsewhere making his chest, delts, etc, bigger than Dorian's - and 10 lbs would be the minimum for his chest, delts and triceps to become visibly bigger than Dorian's, then he must have lost 23 lbs of body mass elsewhere for his bodyweight to decrease 13 lbs. Bodyfat, again, is impossible, because the 1999 Ronnie was at 3% bodyfat. Water is a couple pounds, but let's be generous and say that the 2001 ASC Ronnie had 5 lbs of water less than the 1999 Ronnie - a lot of water loss!. Well, this still leaves 18 lbs for yout to explain exclusively through quad size loss. That adds up to 9 lbs of mass loss at each quad. Sorry, sport, but there's no fucking way in hell that Ronnie lost 18 lbs of quad mass from 1999 to the 2001 ASC. I don't think that the 2001 ASC Ronnie's quads were even a single inch smaller than Ronnie's at the 1999 Olympia. So you have just been schooled again, by Professor Suckmymuscle. That's bodybuilding and arithmatic 101 for you. Cheers. ;)

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The rest of him was visibly the same size as before. His muscles may have been smaller due to less intracellular water, but the difference is so minuscule that you cannot tell.

  This only tells me that he lost overral lean mass anyway, since he lost quad size, and yet his measurments elsewhere remained the same. And the 1999 Coleman did not have a bigger chest or delts than Dorian. Only biceps - which explains why his arms were 1 inch bigger.

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #122 on: January 22, 2007, 09:54:26 PM »
pfftttt hahahaha....put the pipe down kid

you sound like such a retard. Do you blindly follow everything you hear? I didn't realize just how conditioned Ronnie was at the 01 ASC until I saw the pics. This easily matches Dorian's best ever.






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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #123 on: January 23, 2007, 12:25:25 AM »
Then why did you bring this up, retard? You were obviously trying to imply that Ronnie gained that amount of muscle, to susbstantiate your claims that Ronnie had bigger delts, chest, etc. Boring.

I already told you why, dipshit. Pay attention instead of flapping your gums. Maybe next time I won't have to repeat myself. I was merely pointing out that it's very unlikely 01 ASC Ronnie carried less muscle than in 99, like you suggest. I never claimed that he did in fact gain 10 lbs of lean mass. For all I know, he might have only put on 1-2 lbs. I highly doubt that he actually shrunk.

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This is impossible. Both were around 3% bodyfat, and while Ronnie might have been as dry as Dorian in terms of extracellular water - I'm being very generous-, he certainly had more of it insdide his muscles because they were always fuller. Regardless, I think Dorian was drier. But let's pretend they were equal in this regard. First, it is not relevant where the lean body mass is located, since we're evaluating total lean body mass. If Ronnie had bigger delts and chest and yet smaller quads, this does nothing to explain the 13 lbs difference: again, the fact remains that Dorian weights 13 lbs more with similar fat and water levels. 13 lbs of bones is impossible, and Ronnie's frame is very likely heavier. The gut distension is worse on Ronnie, so that can't be it. Now, let's pretend that Dorian did carry 13 more of gut and bones than Ronnie - not true, but let's assume. This still does nothing to prove that Ronnie had more lean mass, as they would be equal.

If I did indeed say that 01 ASC Ronnie had more lean mass than 93 Dorian (according to you), then I gracefully take back what I said. Allow me to explain. Upon closer scrutiny, I realized that Dorian may have had equal or even slightly more muscle than Ronnie. I personally feel that Ronnie had better conditioning than 93 Dorian. Even if it means he was carrying only 3-4 lbs less fat and water combined, it adds up. His waist was significantly smaller. I would guess Dorian's midsection weighed 4-6 lbs more. Ronnie also has a smaller bone structure. Dorian has a larger rib cage, wider hips, and thicker joints. However, the difference here wouldn't be much due to racial bone densities. Let's just say that Dorian's entire skeletal mass weighed only 1 lb more. If we assume the lowest values for each part (I'm being generous here) and add them up, then we've already accounted for 8 lbs. At the most, they would add up to 11 lbs. The difference in muscularity between Ronnie and Dorian wouldn't have been that great. In fact, you probably wouldn't even be able to tell any difference at all.


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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #124 on: January 23, 2007, 01:50:37 PM »
Who would want to look like ronnie?Who would want to look like arnold? ARNOLD FOR SURE!!!