Author Topic: Arnold vs.Ronnie  (Read 30394 times)

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #125 on: January 23, 2007, 06:26:24 PM »
I already told you why, dipshit. Pay attention instead of flapping your gums. Maybe next time I won't have to repeat myself. I was merely pointing out that it's very unlikely 01 ASC Ronnie carried less muscle than in 99, like you suggest. I never claimed that he did in fact gain 10 lbs of lean mass. For all I know, he might have only put on 1-2 lbs. I highly doubt that he actually shrunk.

  This is impossible. If he gained 2 lbs of muscle, then you have 15 lbs of weight difference to explain exclusively through water loss. Since Ronnie was at 3% bodyfat in 1999, and since you can't go any lower than that, and also since the weight of bones and internal organs don't vary, then all there is to explain the 15 lbs that made him weight 13 lbs less in 2001 is water. I highly doubt that Ronnie had 15 lbs of water in his entire body to lose at the 1999 Olympia, let alone under his skin. ::)

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If I did indeed say that 01 ASC Ronnie had more lean mass than 93 Dorian (according to you), then I gracefully take back what I said. Allow me to explain. Upon closer scrutiny, I realized that Dorian may have had equal or even slightly more muscle than Ronnie. I personally feel that Ronnie had better conditioning than 93 Dorian. Even if it means he was carrying only 3-4 lbs less fat and water combined, it adds up. His waist was significantly smaller. I would guess Dorian's midsection weighed 4-6 lbs more. Ronnie also has a smaller bone structure. Dorian has a larger rib cage, wider hips, and thicker joints. However, the difference here wouldn't be much due to racial bone densities. Let's just say that Dorian's entire skeletal mass weighed only 1 lb more. If we assume the lowest values for each part (I'm being generous here) and add them up, then we've already accounted for 8 lbs. At the most, they would add up to 11 lbs. The difference in muscularity between Ronnie and Dorian wouldn't have been that great. In fact, you probably wouldn't even be able to tell any difference at all.

  Your speculation is nonsensical. Dorian did not have 3 or 4 lbs more of fat and water than Coleman at the 1993 Olympia; he arguably had 3 or 4 lbs of water less. Bodyfat is a non-issue, because they were both at 3% bodyfat. However, 3% of 257 lbs is a little more than 3% of 244 lbs. Regardless, I still think that Dorian had 1 or 2 lbs less of water/fat(fat + water) than Ronnie. Even if we assume that Dorian's frame weighted 1 lbs more than Ronnie's(unlikely, but let's assume), then you'd still have 13 lbs to explain. Where did it come from? Dorian's midsection did not weight 6 lbs more than Ronnie's, but let's assume. In this case, Dorian would still have 7 lbs more of bodyweight than Ronnie which is not accounted for.

  So what is it? If Ronnie weighted less than Dorian in 2001 because, according to you, his quads were smaller and he had less fat and water than in 1999, and his other measurements were similar, then you're agreeing with me that Ronnie in 2001 had less overral mass than he had in 1999. Conversely, if he added mass to his delts, chest and triceps and yet his bodyweight still went down by 13 lbs, then you'd have more than 13 lbs weight to explain via water loss. If the amount of mass added to his delts, pecs and tris was greater, in sum, than the amount of mass that he lost in his quads, then you'd have more than 13 lbs(13 + X lbs of muscle mass) of weight to justify exclusively via water loss. It is a defeating proposition. Give up. You got owned ;)

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #126 on: January 24, 2007, 08:51:07 PM »
  I'm patiently waiting for Sperm's idiotic rebuttal to my reply, which I will rip to shreds. :)

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #127 on: January 25, 2007, 05:10:56 AM »
The better comparison is drop Ronnie down to a pound-for-pound weight and see how well he compares to Arnold , lets drop Ronnie down to about 225 pounds and see how impressive he is compared to Arnold

Once again an arbitrary departure from reality from this clown. They do *not* have to be the same weight to be compared, this is very much arbitrary reasoning & part of the dimentia. Endless "what ifs" that are beside the point. Following this bizarre logic, guys could only compete against one another in today's shows if they were the same weight. ::) ::) ::) ::) Next he'll be speculating on what Padilla would've done if he'd been 6'1". ::) The best comparison is simply both of them in good shape.

In that pose Arnold looks a lot better-one of his best poses and not not one of Ron's strongest IMO. Biggest advantages are aesthetics & small pre-GH waist. Coleman wins in terms of pure muscularity, obviously.

Now if you want to see real ownage, compare Schwarzenegger's double-bi to Yates'. haahahahahahahahahahah

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #128 on: January 25, 2007, 06:53:34 AM »
Ouch!

Yates is getting severly owned by the oak right there.

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #129 on: January 25, 2007, 10:33:53 AM »
Once again an arbitrary departure from reality from this clown. They do *not* have to be the same weight to be compared, this is very much arbitrary reasoning & part of the dimentia. Endless "what ifs" that are beside the point. Following this bizarre logic, guys could only compete against one another in today's shows if they were the same weight. ::) ::) ::) ::) Next he'll be speculating on what Padilla would've done if he'd been 6'1". ::) The best comparison is simply both of them in good shape.

In that pose Arnold looks a lot better-one of his best poses and not not one of Ron's strongest IMO. Biggest advantages are aesthetics & small pre-GH waist. Coleman wins in terms of pure muscularity, obviously.

Now if you want to see real ownage, compare Schwarzenegger's double-bi to Yates'. haahahahahahahahahahah

Yawn tried old rant from pumpster the master moron , wow you posted a pic of Yates 1994 with a torn bicep and claim how much better Arnold looks  ::) you need a better pic of Yates , thats right you're scared to post a proper Yates pic for a reason  ;)

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #130 on: January 25, 2007, 10:59:20 AM »
Yawn tried old rant from pumpster the master moron , wow you posted a pic of Yates 1994 with a torn bicep and claim how much better Arnold looks  ::) you need a better pic of Yates , thats right you're scared to post a proper Yates pic for a reason  ;)

This clown walks into yet another door with the now-predictable/desperate Yates black & whites in which Yates has little refinement or definition. Forget Yates' aesthetics, as usual. Utterly owned by Schwarzenegger whose classic BB look reinforces Yates' bricklayer bloated artificial grotesque appearance accompanied by a weightlifter's tapers.  :-X

Yes, Yates is more muscular in an ape-like, artificial way. Who cares other than a delusional groupie like ND?

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #131 on: January 25, 2007, 11:21:07 AM »
Who would want to look like ronnie?Who would want to look like arnold? ARNOLD FOR SURE!!!
if i have to choose it from these two,2003 version of ronnie.

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #132 on: January 25, 2007, 11:34:15 AM »
Arms/Chest Comparable, but his waist was ridiculous!


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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #133 on: January 25, 2007, 11:36:47 AM »

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #134 on: January 25, 2007, 11:42:09 AM »
don't even start your ironage crap here.




Here is a better shot.

I dont think we have ever seen a better shoing that 98/99 Coleman, but I would much rather look like Arnold.

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #135 on: January 25, 2007, 02:03:51 PM »
you sound like such a retard. Do you blindly follow everything you hear? I didn't realize just how conditioned Ronnie was at the 01 ASC until I saw the pics. This easily matches Dorian's best ever.







wrong.

it easily surpasses it.

thanks to much greater visible detail.

dorian had the dryness, but not accompanying vascularity, shape and striations to match it.
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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #136 on: January 25, 2007, 02:05:13 PM »
Here is a better shot.

I dont think we have ever seen a better shoing that 98/99 Coleman, but I would much rather look like Arnold.

agreed.

98/99 Ronnie was probably the best overall ever.

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #137 on: January 25, 2007, 02:48:57 PM »

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #138 on: January 25, 2007, 03:00:50 PM »
If you want bring the best Sidechest of ronnie,bring it from his first Russian GP.That shocked me a lot.

Here is a side Chest of Ronnie from the 2003, 2004 Russian Grand Prix:

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #139 on: January 25, 2007, 03:02:16 PM »
Here is a side Chest of Ronnie from the 2004 Russian Grand Prix:

Garbage , water-logged and bloated not to mention unbalanced

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #140 on: January 25, 2007, 03:03:17 PM »
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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #141 on: January 25, 2007, 03:03:54 PM »
but you overlook the fact that dorian should not have won in 94 and by your own admission 97.

so your entire argument is wrong.



ND the idiot says that in his opinion yates should of lost the 97 Olympia but then brags that yates got straight firsts scores? lol, what a moron. Make up your mind.

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #142 on: January 25, 2007, 03:07:10 PM »

Oh shut up kid , you weren't there and neither was I and I understand why the judges picked him over Nasser , Nasser could match or beat Yates from the front but couldn't from the sides and back thats why Yates won , and spare me the look at your own eyes nonsense pictures don't tell the whole story , the judges were live and in person and they picked Yates , I don't think Nasser beat Dorian I just think personally Yates should have won this one . but I'm objective enough to know I may be wrong , something you can't admit.

You have stated over and over that yates should have lost in 97 then you post this bull. lol. What a 2 face.

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #143 on: January 25, 2007, 03:07:31 PM »
ND the idiot says that in his opinion yates should of lost the 97 Olympia but then brags that yates got straight firsts scores? lol, what a moron. Make up your mind.

Mr personal opinion is that Dorian shouldn't have won in 1997 , but I'm basing these on pics and short video clips , and the refference to the straight firsts was some of the delusional think Nasser was close to beating Yates and the judges contradict that nonsense it wasn't even close at his worse this is a fact , 1997 straight firsts and like 1994 it was no contest

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #144 on: January 25, 2007, 03:21:52 PM »
Garbage , water-logged and bloated not to mention unbalanced

You can say the same for yates weak side chest. Getting owned bad by Naseer.

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #145 on: January 25, 2007, 03:27:02 PM »
You can say the same for yates weak side chest. Getting owned bad by Naseer.

Empty statement , especially considering Yates received straight firsts in 1995 and 1997 and no one owns Yates in the side chest , no one

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #146 on: January 25, 2007, 04:40:55 PM »
LOL

this side chest blows aways dorian's
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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #147 on: January 25, 2007, 04:44:44 PM »
LOL

this side chest blows aways dorian's

Thats a good one!
Except...
I can't see Ronnie's chest because his oversized arms and delts are in the way.

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #148 on: January 25, 2007, 04:59:49 PM »
LOL

this side chest blows aways dorian's

It does does it? from what prospective? density? I don't think so , balance? no not quite , conditioning? sorry again , lets hear from eight time former Mr Olympia on the topic at hand , Ronnie how do you feel about Dorian's Yates side chest shot?

DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.

Thank you Ronnie I couldn't have said it better myself  ;)

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Re: Arnold vs.Ronnie
« Reply #149 on: January 25, 2007, 05:09:59 PM »
In that Russian Grand Prix pic, why does Fedorov's golden tan stop just before his hairline?  ;D