Salary of the Pro's

[realkarateblackbelt]

Bob, would you allow some random dude to feel your muscles on the street like Levrone did in that clip?

[the shadow]

Just guesses, but based on some facts and some math:


Mr O and the number two guy prolly do $500k/year or so all total.

Half a dozen others are probably in the $200k or so range.

Maybe 8 or 10 more "make a living" between $50k - $100k.

Everyone else is losing money, and if they don't have a real job are probably sucking dick and/or dealing drugs to make ends meet.


And whatever you do, don't believe these guys when they self-report their income...  of course they want you to think they're making millions. You really think they want to admit that as a top-20 "professional athlete" they're bringing home less than your typical McDonald's manager?





** waiting for Bob "daddy warbucks" Chick to chime in and tell me I "don't know shit" ** 

i would say ruhl,ronnie and jay make over 200k a year.last year flex mag mentioned that ronnie makes 1 million every year

[Croatch]

"YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT"

What is a more accurate representation then of pro salaries?

[MattT]

i would say ruhl,ronnie and jay make over 200k a year.last year flex mag mentioned that ronnie takes 1 million every year

i doubt ruhl is making more then $80K a year nevermind $200K   Seriously Ronnie and Jay are the only 2 guys right now with enough endorsement and contest winnings to be making over $300K+ a year.  The rest of the guys ie gunter, dexter, might make around $100K a year. Dexter since he won the ASC most likely comes close behind Ronnie and Jay.. Alot of these top 10 bbers look like they make alot of money because they are all up in the mags etc.. That don't mean jack..

Do some quick math just think a top 10 pro who might make $100K a year. Eats about $500 a week of geroceries + all the product ie juice gh must come to around $10-$15K a show.

So

$500 a week or $2000 a month for food x 12 months = $24,000 +/- per year
$10-$15K on product per show average 2 shows = $20-$30K
Rent in cali is not cheap maybe he's renting for around $2000-$2500 a month = $24,000 +/- per year
Car payments, depending on what he drives could be $600 insurance included x 12 months = $7,200
Misc expenses ie , clothes, vaction etc.. $5000K a year

So if gunter makes $100K a year and you subtract what he spends in a year

Makes $100K a year
Spends $90,200 +/-  a year

As you can see he might be saving around 10K a year in straight cash flow.. Now is that something to brag about?

If you have $100K-1mill a year of cash flow ontop of what you spend in a year then you are doing well.  If you only have about $5K-10K of cash flow ontop of what you spend in a year, then you need to get a second job, unless your ok with just living an average joe life style and maybe drive a nice car and own a nice home.. 

[the shadow]

i doubt ruhl is making more then $80K a year nevermind $200K   Seriously Ronnie and Jay are the only 2 guys right now with enough endorsement and contest winnings to be making over $300K+ a year.  The rest of the guys ie gunter, dexter, might make around $100K a year. Dexter since he won the ASC most likely comes close behind Ronnie and Jay.. Alot of these top 10 bbers look like they make alot of money because they are all up in the mags etc.. That don't mean jack..

Do some quick math just think a top 10 pro who might make $100K a year. Eats about $500 a week of geroceries + all the product ie juice gh must come to around $10-$15K a show.

So

$500 a week or $2000 a month for food x 12 months = $24,000 +/- per year
$10-$15K on product per show average 2 shows = $20-$30K
Rent in cali is not cheap maybe he's renting for around $2000-$2500 a month = $24,000 +/- per year
Car payments, depending on what he drives could be $600 insurance included x 12 months = $7,200
Misc expenses ie , clothes, vaction etc.. $5000K a year

So if gunter makes $100K a year and you subtract what he spends in a year

Makes $100K a year
Spends $90,200 +/-  a year

As you can see he might be saving around 10K a year in straight cash flow.. Now is that something to brag about?

If you have $100K-1mill a year of cash flow ontop of what you spend in a year then you are doing well.  If you only have about $5K-10K of cash flow ontop of what you spend in a year, then you need to get a second job, unless your ok with just living an average joe life style and maybe drive a nice car and own a nice home.. 

awesome post matt....

[G o a t b o y]

if gunter makes $100K a year and you subtract what he spends in a year

Makes $100K a year
Spends $90,200 +/-  a year

As you can see he might be saving around 10K a year in straight cash flow.. Now is that something to brag about?

If you have $100K-1mill a year of cash flow ontop of what you spend in a year then you are doing well.  If you only have about $5K-10K of cash flow ontop of what you spend in a year, then you need to get a second job

Fer sure!!   They certainly can't expect to develop business interests in Dubai, India on that kind of cash, can they Matt?   

[divcom]

The basic schmoeconomy is sizable and it's safe to say that it's probably growing. 

There's also 'high schmociety', where top physique models can pick up an easy $10,000-15,000/month, cash. 

And that's just from a single 'sponsor'...

You must be talking about figure girls, right.  Who the hell would pay that to see the men...even if he was gay?

[Mr. Intenseone]

i doubt ruhl is making more then $80K a year nevermind $200K   Seriously Ronnie and Jay are the only 2 guys right now with enough endorsement and contest winnings to be making over $300K+ a year.  The rest of the guys ie gunter, dexter, might make around $100K a year. Dexter since he won the ASC most likely comes close behind Ronnie and Jay.. Alot of these top 10 bbers look like they make alot of money because they are all up in the mags etc.. That don't mean jack..

Do some quick math just think a top 10 pro who might make $100K a year. Eats about $500 a week of geroceries + all the product ie juice gh must come to around $10-$15K a show.

So

$500 a week or $2000 a month for food x 12 months = $24,000 +/- per year
$10-$15K on product per show average 2 shows = $20-$30K
Rent in cali is not cheap maybe he's renting for around $2000-$2500 a month = $24,000 +/- per year
Car payments, depending on what he drives could be $600 insurance included x 12 months = $7,200
Misc expenses ie , clothes, vaction etc.. $5000K a year

So if gunter makes $100K a year and you subtract what he spends in a year

Makes $100K a year
Spends $90,200 +/-  a year

As you can see he might be saving around 10K a year in straight cash flow.. Now is that something to brag about?

If you have $100K-1mill a year of cash flow ontop of what you spend in a year then you are doing well.  If you only have about $5K-10K of cash flow ontop of what you spend in a year, then you need to get a second job, unless your ok with just living an average joe life style and maybe drive a nice car and own a nice home.. 

You forgot to figure in taxes (about 33-38%) including self-employment tax.......I guarantee he's making waaay more than a 100k if that's your figure....he has at least $33k in taxes, you take that away he's only netting $67k, if that's all he's making he should become a personal trainer and double his income!

[MattT]

You forgot to figure in taxes (about 33-38%) including self-employment tax.......I guarantee he's making waaay more than a 100k if that's your figure....he has at least $33k in taxes, you take that away he's only netting $67k, if that's all he's making he should become a personal trainer and double his income!

true once you add in taxes its even worse, but gunter due to his marketability most likely makes more then $100K a year.

[realkarateblackbelt]

Almost all of them make at least 100k a year.

There is also the business of selling "supplements" and "posing" sessions.

[RUDE BUOY]

Almost all of them make at least 100k a year.

There is also the business of selling "supplements" and "posing" sessions.

the whoring themselves out part of it 

[realkarateblackbelt]

Not to mention we don't know everthing about how they invest their money, every single guest posing session, every contract, every personal training session, etc...

They make more than you think.

[Royalty]

I heard Gunter was making $350,000 from Weider alone. That Contract came about after the 2002 GNC show.

[G o a t b o y]

I heard Gunter was making $350,000 from Weider alone. That Contract came about after the 2002 GNC show.

 


Sorta like Ronnie's "million dolla a year" BSN contract, right?


All bullshit.

[SteelePegasus]

Our very own "natural al" sucks cock for pocket change and he's not even a pro bodybuilder!

I hear that he would do it for a mc donalds value meal

[Tre]

Not asking for names, Tre...

But how many top physique models would you guesstimate are going all the way, ie offering sexual intercourse to their schmoe customers?

Just give us a rough estimate.

It's tough to put even a soft number on it, but the best answer is probably 'more than you might suspect'.  I'm talking about male and female physique models (although the client base on both sides is predominantly male), and it's something that's present in both the pro and amateur ranks. 

Thankfully, there are plenty who know to sell the sizzle, not the steak. 

[Tre]

You must be talking about figure girls, right.  Who the hell would pay that to see the men...even if he was gay?

No, it's not just women. 

I can't (won't!) prove it myself, but based on everything I've ever heard, this market is probably *much* larger for the men willing to sell themselves. 

[G o a t b o y]

There's a reason it's called "Tre for pay". 

[Thin Lizzy]

Not to mention we don't know everthing about how they invest their money, every single guest posing session, every contract, every personal training session, etc...

They make more than you think.

The fact that top bodybuilders still have to do personal training tells you that they make less than you think.

[UpTheDosage]

Jay has made 1 million a year for the last 3 years. He guest posed or made appearances like 42 weekends out of the year last year. That's a nice tax free 200k-300k right there.

As for the rest of the guys like Victor, Dexter, Heath, Gunter.... they're all around 100k-200k+guest posing and appearances cash.

It's good money but you don't make that amount of money for long, and if you retire at the age of 40 or so, then what are you going to do?? Hopefully they have that figured out.   

[Tre]

Jay has made 1 million a year for the last 3 years. He guest posed or made appearances like 42 weekends out of the year last year. That's a nice tax free 200k-300k right there.

"Tax-free"?  Are you kidding?

No matter who pays the appearance fee, the individual or company writing the check is going to want the tax write-off, which means that payment amount has to be reported to the IRS by both the payer and the payee.  By law, a 1099 is to be submitted on any independent contractor being paid more than $600 in a calendar year (from a single source), but even though the IRS isn't being that nit-picky, it would be risky - in my opinion - not to report a $3000 payday when you've received a 1099 for it. 

[realkarateblackbelt]

Yeah that's what I said. They also sell shit like used posing trunks for 50 dollars. Autographed pics for 20 dollars...

They make a lot.

[gordiano]

Yeah that's what I said. They also sell shit like used posing trunks for 50 dollars. Autographed pics for 20 dollars...

They make a lot.

There's at least one member here who supports his favorite bbers, by purchasing their soiled trunks.........


His name rhymes with "hurl". 

[Devon97]

"Tax-free"?  Are you kidding?

No matter who pays the appearance fee, the individual or company writing the check is going to want the tax write-off, which means that payment amount has to be reported to the IRS by both the payer and the payee.  By law, a 1099 is to be submitted on any independent contractor being paid more than $600 in a calendar year (from a single source), but even though the IRS isn't being that nit-picky, it would be risky - in my opinion - not to report a $3000 payday when you've received a 1099 for it. 

Exactly, The promoter of any show with a guest posing is GOING to pay the guest poser with a CHECK and that is a paper trail which is reported and TAXED.
However..... I would imagine that a gay-4-pay posing session would be paid in cash as no-one would want a paper trail at either end. Therefore private posing sessions would be tax free.
As far as how much these guys make, I can assure you that they arent making very much at all doing guest posings.
Most local/ regional/state BBing shows can barely even fill an auditorium even 60% full, that will scarcely cover the overhead to rent out the facility. And you think they are going to pay out several thousand$ to a IFBB pro for a 10 min posing routine in the middle of a show? Hell I was at a local show where 4 IFBB pros were posing ... including Gunter and Ronnie....no way enough $$ was generated to pay several thousand to those guys along with the overhead of the Ball room that was rented out...... the promoter would have taken a loss.
BTW... 99% of these guys are DEEP in debt, live WAY beyond their means and live paycheck to paycheck.
If you think Dex owns any of his cars your sadly mistaken.

[gordiano]

Hurl?  As in, a username like (random example) Hurl1972?  No idea who you're talking about, sorry.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You and your cursed pens and pencils!