Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine

[Board_SHERIF]

Brilliant:

[Board_SHERIF]

natural king:

[timfogarty]

natural king:

stop with the "natural".   no one today can prove any bodybuilder in the last 65 years was lifetime drug free.

[alexxx]

stop with the "natural".   no one today can prove any bodybuilder in the last 65 years was lifetime drug free.

Well it sure doesn't look like he juiced..

[NarcissisticDeity]

stop with the "natural".   no one today can prove any bodybuilder in the last 65 years was lifetime drug free.

Sure they can especially when Anabolics weren't intoduced into the game until the earliest 1956 , so pre-D-Bol its very safe to say bodybuilders were natural

[The True Adonis]

Sure they can especially when Anabolics weren't intoduced into the game until the earliest 1956 , so pre-D-Bol its very safe to say bodybuilders were natural

Careful, He is going to try and fabricate a contrived argument that Eugene Sandow and Bobby Pandour were walking GH banks.

hahahah

[NarcissisticDeity]

Careful, He is going to try and fabricate a contrived argument that Eugene Sandow and Bobby Pandour were walking GH banks.

hahahah

Like gh15 and his Reeves claims 

[Pollux]

Speakin' of Reg Park magazines...
Here's another RARE Arnold magazine I have in my collection where he's featured on the May 1967 of Man's World & Reg Park Journal.

[bmacsys]

stop with the "natural".   no one today can prove any bodybuilder in the last 65 years was lifetime drug free.

Nobody can prove they weren't either. Especially Vince Gironda.

[Board_SHERIF]

stop with the "natural".   no one today can prove any bodybuilder in the last 65 years was lifetime drug free.

I guess you have not read any of Vince's stuff ? he deplored steriods - He was truely natural   

[timfogarty]

Sure they can especially when Anabolics weren't intoduced into the game until the earliest 1956 , so pre-D-Bol its very safe to say bodybuilders were natural

testosterone esters have been available in the US since at least 1938, as they were already being discussed in the November 1938 issue of Strength and Health.

[NarcissisticDeity]

testosterone esters have been available in the US since at least 1938, as they were already being discussed in the November 1938 issue of Strength and Health.

They been discussed , okay now its taking a massive leap to say people had them available and were using them and even if they did how they worked , its very safe to assume that pre 1958 for all intents & purposes bodybuilders were natural

[timfogarty]

They been discussed , okay now its taking a massive leap to say people had them available and were using them and even if they did how they worked , its very safe to assume that pre 1958 for all intents & purposes bodybuilders were natural

- they were available in 1938
- if they are available, people are using them, whether with the help of a doctor or not
- world class athletes have always been on the forefront of advances.  they'd be the first to experiment.  they're always the first to have access to what's new
- there would be no reason for a world class athlete not to use them. 
- the evidence may be circumstantial, but the evidence is there that Eiferman and Delinger used them when they visited Yarick's gym in 48 and 49.  and yes, I believe that Reeves used them in 53.

and while I cannot prove that a specific athlete used them any more than you can prove that someone didn't use them, to say that they weren't being used prior to the late 1950s defies all evidence.

btw, dianabol was released in the US in 1956

[NarcissisticDeity]

- they were available in 1938
- if they are available, people are using them, whether with the help of a doctor or not
- world class athletes have always been on the forefront of advances.  they'd be the first to experiment.  they're always the first to have access to what's new
- there would be no reason for a world class athlete not to use them. 
- the evidence may be circumstantial, but the evidence is there that Eiferman and Delinger used them when they visited Yarick's gym in 48 and 49.  and yes, I believe that Reeves used them in 53.

and while I cannot prove that a specific athlete used them any more than you can prove that someone didn't use them, to say that they weren't being used prior to the late 1950s defies all evidence.

btw, dianabol was released in the US in 1956

You're right all circumstantial , and why would Revess use them post retirement? he retired in 1950 at the age of 24 because there were no more titles to win , and he pursued his acting career and he was noticeably smaller in his movie roles , he competed at 215 pounds in some reports for movies he was down to 187 pounds and Reeves flat out denies ever taking any steroids and I'm sure you know he was a man of integrity , he had nothing to gain by lying .

and I know were D-bols were released

[nycbull]

stop with the "natural".   no one today can prove any bodybuilder in the last 65 years was lifetime drug free.

truth.

[Bluto]

im not impressed with vince's physique

[Board_SHERIF]

im not impressed with vince's physique

Are you blind ??

[Bluto]

Are you blind ??

i must be, i dont think he looks anything special

[Board_SHERIF]

i must be, i dont think he looks anything special

The guy was 40 plus years old, no drugs, no advanced supplements - I think he was way under-rated....

[Bluto]

The guy was 40 plus years old, no drugs, no advanced supplements - I think he was way under-rated....

what did he look like at 25-30 ?

[Board_SHERIF]

what did he look like at 25-30 ?

he did not start training until 40 years old....

[Bluto]

he did not start training until 40 years old....

really? didnt know that

[Board_SHERIF]

really? didnt know that

That is why I am so impressed with the Iron Gura   

[Bluto]

well that puts it in another perspective

[jacshelb]

I've read and own a couple of Vince's books, not that that is a big deal, but I think he says something about training well before forty.  I mean, he competed in the 40s, right?  I think his book talks about his family moving to california and Vince starting training at 22. 

"Unleashing the Wild Physique" is actually a very insightful book with some very interesting diet and training ideas- little things that can really help polish the physique.  That was Vince's "thing"- creating a great v-taper, getting ripped, and "sculpting" a body in a certain way.  He was very particular about what he liked and didn't.  He was known for being very arrogant and even mean, which I believe.  While I've never been a big fan of his physique (as an ectomorph myself, I think he just doesn't give me much to shoot for!), I do think some of his ideas have merit.  But, yeah, his build just doesn't seem very powerful or inspiring to me- maybe it will as I get older.


Jacob