Ronnie only beats Dorian on muscular bulk in 2003 his other noteworthy showings NO
You have much to learn, grasshopper. Bulk refers to size and volume. Ronnie beats Dorian on muscular bulk in 99, 00, 01, 03, 04, 05, and 06. Dorian may have carried more lean mass than 99 Ronnie, but his muscles looked smaller due to less intracellular water (i.e. they were flat).
I consider 93 Dorian's best package. You may prefer his 95 look, but Dorian would be at a disadvantage with a torn bicep. If we are comparing both at their respective best to see who would win, there is no way the judges would pick a guy with a torn muscle over a guy with greater size and no torn muscles.
it's irrelevant whether Dorian's arms were actually big or not. The issue here is that they were too small for his body. They could have been 21" for all I care. His arms still looked like twigs on a tree stump. This is just as much of a liability as Ronnie's proportionately small calves.
Oh please, you are nitpicking to make Dorian appear to have more definition. I can do the same. Ronnie has superior detail in his biceps brachii, biceps brachialis, triceps, forearms, delts, pectoralis major, pectoralis minor, glutes, quads, hamstrings, and gastrocnemius inner and outer heads.
Ronnie only beats Dorian on muscular bulk in 2003 his other noteworthy showings NO
You have much to learn, grasshopper. Bulk refers to size and volume. Ronnie beats Dorian on muscular bulk in 99, 00, 01, 03, 04, 05, and 06. Dorian may have carried more lean mass than 99 Ronnie, but his muscles looked smaller due to less intracellular water (i.e. they were flat).
Bulk refers to CONDITIONED size NOT water-logged sized , know this. 99 257 pounds still one inch taller than Yates and still NOT as fucking dry , i.e. NOT conditioned bulk , 00 264 pounds carrying more water than 99 , more water-logged mass , 01 again 264 pounds and you guessed it holding water , 03 287 pounds probably still had more bulk even though he was holding water , same for 04/05/06 all HOLDING water
The hardest & driest Ronnie has even been in ANY contest was 1998 Mr Olympia , 2001 Arnold classic in all probability as hard & dry as Yates but NOT carrying the same condition at 257/260 pounds
I consider 93 Dorian's best package. You may prefer his 95 look, but Dorian would be at a disadvantage with a torn bicep. If we are comparing both at their respective best to see who would win, there is no way the judges would pick a guy with a torn muscle over a guy with greater size and no torn muscles.
I think Dorian's best overall package was either 93/95 1993 he didn't have any torn muscles so this would be his ideal package , however Yates was never at a disadvantage because of a shorter bicep the judges in fact comment on and said it made NO overall difference what so ever , thats garbage you need to cling to , and having two pathetic calves is much worse than one shorter bicep , why? two poor calves can been seen in every single pose , a torn bicep in one
and if we're comparing both at their respective bests , 1) Ronnie 1999 isn't it , he's lacking in conditioning and 2) Ronnie 1999 doesn't carry more conditioned size than Yates , he's fuller as a result of being softer than 98 and no where near as hard as Yates at his best , and the judges would choose the guy who meets the criteria the best , and thats Yates , you ever wonder why Dorian never placed below 2nd as a pro?
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.it's irrelevant whether Dorian's arms were actually big or not. The issue here is that they were too small for his body. They could have been 21" for all I care. His arms still looked like twigs on a tree stump. This is just as much of a liability as Ronnie's proportionately small calves.
You wish Ronnie's only problem was proportionately small calves , and Ronnie's calves aren't just to small they suck in terms of development , detail , shape and density oh and ' definition '
YOU think Dorian's arms look to small for his body , you're judging his arms compared to Ronnie's and Ronnie's are overdeveloped this is a fact , everyone admits that Ronnie's front latspread would look better if his arms weren't so big , i.e. overdeveloped if everything was proportionate in this pose his front latspread would be outstanding like Dorian's and its NOT , this is exactly why Dorian has a better front latspread because of his better balance & proportion despite all of his flaws in this pose , wider waist & hips , his ' bigger ' joints Dorian owns this pose for a reason .
Oh please, you are nitpicking to make Dorian appear to have more definition. I can do the same. Ronnie has superior detail in his biceps brachii, biceps brachialis, triceps, forearms, delts, pectoralis major, pectoralis minor, glutes, quads, hamstrings, and gastrocnemius inner and outer heads.
I'm not knitpciking its a fact , Ronnie doesn have superior detail in his biceps brachii & brachialis , triceps
, forearms ? give me a fucking break , delts NONSENSE its a push if anything , pecs Ronnie may have more striations thats a straw , glutes LMFAO Dorian's glutes are striated see pecs , quads NOT quick maybe better upper separtion , push on tear drops and Yates has the edge in thigh-rod , nice try typical Coleman-fan blanket statement , hamstrings BULLSHIT I can post pics to stop that lie , did you type? calves? amd I reading this correctly? are you fucking high? Hulkster tried that nonsense Ronnie 99 has more detail in his calves than Yates and I crushed him on that and he's yet to make that mistake again and now you're making it?
FACT Dorian was known for his conditioning , its legendary Ronnie's isn't ... he may have come close at 244 pounds and 249 pounds respectively BUT not consistantly , Dorian's skin has been described as being like ' tissue paper ' wrapped around pure muscle , hell most of Ronnie's career he's been holding water post 1998 Olympia and the only other exception was 2001 Arnold , its very easy to be ripped when you're light , its very easy to be big , its near impossible to be huge & dry , Dorian was very consistant with this , Ronnie wasn't
You can't counter this argument and never will , no matter how many blanket statements you make or how much bull shit you type
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.Dorian has the edge in muscular bulk over Ronnie 1998/1999/2001 his best showings , he doesn't have the edge in 2003 but he has others
Dorian has the edge in balanced development , anything to the contrary will not be entertained just corrected
Dorian has the edge all years in density
Dorian has the edge in definition against Ronnie 1999 to present with the sole exception of 2001 ASC
Posing & presentation - Dorian clearly has the better ability to pose and present his physique to its best while minimizing his flaws , this is another area Ronnie would lose to Dorian
mathematical probability , Dorian's win/loss ratio is 88% while Ronnie's is just 40% the odds like the criteria favor Yates , so no matter which way you turn kid , Dorian and I have you covered .
