Haney, Yates, Coleman, Cutler.....

[NarcissisticDeity]

once again, ND shows how little he knows about the sport.

numbers mean nothing:

here is "250 pound" ronnie looking quite skinny and not filled out compared to his later years:

its the illusion, not the numbers, that count:

if the numbers are even accurate...

LMFAO Monster Self-Ownage 1995 kid he was NOT 250 pounds in 1995 nice try don't past go , don't collect 200 pounds he was lucky if he was 230 pounds in that pic , lmafo jackass

[NarcissisticDeity]

Here is Ronnie 1997 at 250 pounds , genius

[Shockwave]

but the judges never had the opportunity to judge 99 Ronnie vs. 93 yates.

Yates dominated a "skinny", not-so-conditioned-and-not-filled-out-yet Ronnie that looked like this:



things changed quite a bit :

Don't deflect...
The video, where the JUDGES, and WEIDERS, outline the established criteria:
Judging is based on Muscularity, Conditioning, and most of all, PROPORTIONED DEVELOPMENT. Straight from the horses mouths.
What do you not understand?
According to that, Ronnie loses.
Sorry, game, set match.

[Hulkster]

LMFAO Monster Self-Ownage 1995 kid he was NOT 250 pounds in 1995 nice try don't past go , don't collect 200 pounds he was lucky if he was 230 pounds in that pic , lmafo jackass

you have claimed that Ronnie was 255-60 in 1996 in the past.

 

so which is it?

you can't have it both ways...

Ronnie didn't gain 30 pounds of muscle between 95 and 96...

[Hulkster]

Don't deflect...
The video, where the JUDGES, and WEIDERS, outline the established criteria:
Judging is based on Muscularity, Conditioning, and most of all, PROPORTIONED DEVELOPMENT. Straight from the horses mouths.
What do you not understand?
According to that, Ronnie loses.
Sorry, game, set match.

what do you not understand about the fact  that dorian had glaring imbalances (massive torso, small arms) while Ronnie had minor ones? (calves too small)

[Shockwave]

you have claimed that Ronnie was 255-60 in 1996 in the past.

 

so which is it?

you can't have it both ways...

Ronnie didn't gain 30 pounds of muscle between 95 and 96...

You seriously remind me of a lawyer.
You take insignificant facts and run with them in order to deflect away from the fact that you're losing the argument.

[NarcissisticDeity]

you have claimed that Ronnie was 255-60 in 1996 in the past.

 

so which is it?

you can't have it both ways...

Ronnie didn't gain 30 pounds of muscle between 95 and 96...

1996 he competed at the Olympia at 250 pounds , 1997 Mr Olympia he was 255 pounds , 1995 he was NOT 250 pounds and he's no where near 250 pounds in that pic.

[Shockwave]

what do you not understand about the fact  that dorian had glaring imbalances (massive torso, small arms) while Ronnie had minor ones? (calves too small)

The problem is, that Dorian's arms were in fine balance 1993, and good balance 95.
Ronnie has Quads too big for his calves, Biceps to big for his tris/forearms, a horrible midsection, and less than stellar (but quite good) conditioning.
Umm, Ronnie loses (again).

[Theoak*]

The problem is, that Dorian's arms were in fine balance 1993, and good balance 95.
Ronnie has Quads too big for his calves, Biceps to big for his tris/forearms, a horrible midsection, and less than stellar (but quite good) conditioning.
Umm, Ronnie loses (again).

Yes and yates had proportioned arms to the rest of hes body, quads over powering he's upperbody, along with monsterous bis that dominated hes tris, especially he's left one. A small waist which accentuated hes X frame and the fullest muscle bellies combined with extreme muscle mas anyone has seen since flex wheeler. You are spot on shockwave, you should be an IFBB judge.

[Shockwave]

Yes and yates had proportioned arms to the rest of hes body, quads over powering he's upperbody, along with monsterous bis that dominated hes tris, especially he's left one. A small waist which accentuated hes X frame and the fullest muscle bellies combined with extreme muscle mas anyone has seen since flex wheeler. You are spot on shockwave, you should be an IFBB judge.

Im glad you took the time to watch that video, where the Judges and Weider explained how they pick a winner. Muscularity, Conditioning, Proportion.
You don't agree with them on how thing's are supposed to be judged; fine, thats your opinion. But don't try to say that Ronnie is going to blow Dorian offstage when the established criteria the judges use to pick a winner points otherwise.

[IceCold]

what do you not understand about the fact  that dorian had glaring imbalances (massive torso, small arms) while Ronnie had minor ones? (calves too small)

what do you not understand about the fact the what you claim as dorian's weaknesses didnt really matter that much.

his strengths overcame any weaknesses you claim he had.

the judges agree with me.

no one agrees with you. 

ronine's were not minor at all.

his structure sucks.

he has a shitty four pack,
narrow clavicles,
chest is too long,
glutes are too big,
forearms are too small for his arms,
calves are too small for his upper legs,
and he has gyno

[Theoak*]

Im glad you took the time to watch that video, where the Judges and Weider explained how they pick a winner. Muscularity, Conditioning, Proportion.
You don't agree with them on how thing's are supposed to be judged; fine, thats your opinion. But don't try to say that Ronnie is going to blow Dorian offstage when the established criteria the judges use to pick a winner points otherwise.

Ok, Muscularity, Conditioning and Proportion. As far as all 3 go, Ronnie is far more musclar and proportioned non debatable. The conditioning is debatable from the back dorian at hes best is a tad bit drier, but turn around to the front and side poses ronnie has him beat. Ronnie at hes best is far more superior than dorian, I dont think we will see the size shape and conditioning of another BBer for years to come. Ronnie is genetically designed for BBing.

[Hulkster]

Ok, Muscularity, Conditioning and Proportion. As far as all 3 go, Ronnie is far more musclar and proportioned non debatable. The conditioning is debatable from the back dorian at hes best is a tad bit drier, but turn around to the front and side poses ronnie has him beat. Ronnie at hes best is far more superior than dorian, I dont think we will see the size shape and conditioning of another BBer for years to come. Ronnie is genetically designed for BBing.

very very true:

[Shockwave]

Ok, Muscularity, Conditioning and Proportion. As far as all 3 go, Ronnie is far more musclar and proportioned non debatable. The conditioning is debatable from the back dorian at hes best is a tad bit drier, but turn around to the front and side poses ronnie has him beat. Ronnie at hes best is far more superior than dorian, I dont think we will see the size shape and conditioning of another BBer for years to come. Ronnie is genetically designed for BBing.

I dunno where you get your facts, but Dorian carried more muscle than Ronnie, except for 2003-06. But his conditioning was sub par.

As far as proportion, Dorian has less liabilities than Ronnie.

Ronne has Calves, Forearms, and Tris at a proportiate disadvantage, not to mention his horrid midsection. Dorian is without a doubt drier than Ronnie, back is the ultimate telltale sign of conditioning/dryness, and Dorian's back looks like a roadmap, with each muscle seperated by deep ruts, devoid of water.

Side wise, Ronnie's front and side delts obscure everything, that is why his side chest lacks so much. Side Tri isn't even a factor, Ronnie's second to worst pose after Ab&Thigh. And his quads overpower his hams and calves in every single pose.

As far as the quarter turns, Dorian looks much better in everything except the front relaxed. (this is mostly due to Dorian's superior posing skill)

[Shockwave]

very very true:

Hey Dr. Desperation, stop posting 96 to try and prove your point, to people who havent been following along.

[NarcissisticDeity]

very very true:

Loser played himself and admits defeat when resorting to posting these type of comparisons lol

[pobrecito]

Yates is just killing Ronnie here.

[Theoak*]

I dunno where you get your facts, but Dorian carried more muscle than Ronnie, except for 2003-06. But his conditioning was sub par.

This has to be some sort of joke, ronnie destroyed dorian on musclarity. Have the pictures shown in mandatory poses not shown you that. Dont let your own bias cloud your judgement.

Show any average joe who knows zero about bbing pics of ronnie and dorians in their prime. 9/10 they will say Ronnie blows dorian out of the water.

PS. All hail to sub par conditioning and the less musclar ronnie.

[Shockwave]

This has to be some sort of joke, ronnie destroyed dorian on musclarity. Have the pictures shown in mandatory poses not shown you that. Dont let your own bias cloud your judgement.

Show any average joe who knows zero about bbing pics of ronnie and dorians in their prime. 9/10 they will say Ronnie blows dorian out of the water.

PS. All hail to sub par conditioning and the less musclar ronnie.

The problem here lies in the fact that Dorian is not on that stage.
Ronnie weighed in the 240 lb range in 98, and Dorian in 93 weighed somewhere in the neighborhood of 250, 10 lbs more mass, combined with better conditioning = better muscularity. Not to mention, Dorian is visibly thicker (pardon me for not having Dorian pics saved for comparison)

[Shockwave]

This has to be some sort of joke, ronnie destroyed dorian on musclarity. Have the pictures shown in mandatory poses not shown you that. Dont let your own bias cloud your judgement.

Show any average joe who knows zero about bbing pics of ronnie and dorians in their prime. 9/10 they will say Ronnie blows dorian out of the water.

PS. All hail to sub par conditioning and the less musclar ronnie.

Oh, and the second pic is 2003, where I already said he has better muscularity, but is severly down on conditioning, and holding a gallon of water.

[Necrosis]

i dont understand why they keep arguing about proportion. yates arms as a whole were to small for his back and his calves were to large for his tiny quads. his waist was wide and his MM shows glaring imbalances. his arms look smoothish and small, with less then round delts and a flat chest. non seperated quads and little vascularity and detail. ronnie has better condition from the front also.

[pobrecito]

his tiny quads.

get the fuck out.

[Shockwave]

i dont understand why they keep arguing about proportion. yates arms as a whole were to small for his back and his calves were to large for his tiny quads. his waist was wide and his MM shows glaring imbalances. his arms look smoothish and small, with less then round delts and a flat chest. non seperated quads and little vascularity and detail. ronnie has better condition from the front also.

You lost all credibility when you said his calves are too big for his quads.
It's obvious you're a Johnny come lately to BB, and you're just used to the "New lineup" and their complete lack of calves.

[Theoak*]

You lost all credibility when you said his calves are too big for his quads.
It's obvious you're a Johnny come lately to BB, and you're just used to the "New lineup" and their complete lack of calves.

Apart from calves too big for quads he is pretty much spot on, MM shot of dorian does nothing for him and exposes he's flaws majorly.

This is how its done.

[Hulkster]

i dont understand why they keep arguing about proportion. yates arms as a whole were to small for his back and his calves were to large for his tiny quads. his waist was wide and his MM shows glaring imbalances. his arms look smoothish and small, with less then round delts and a flat chest. non seperated quads and little vascularity and detail. ronnie has better condition from the front also.

everything in bold is 100% true.

but try telling that to the dorian nuthuggers.

they will just ignore harsh reality as always and post paragraphs outlining criteria that dorian that dorian may meet, but that 1999 Ronnie meets much better...thanks to fully muscle bellies with predominantly better shape, detail and vascularity, esp. from the front.

just look: