2 9/11 questions that i need to be answered.

[240 is Back]

Analogies are imperfect by nature, so I'll forgive you for being complete inaccurate with the above ones.  The difference between someone’s brother - and the leader of the free world (and the most powerful), should already be evident to you.  Try and use some logic.

BRUCE, in the global scheme of things, those 3000 deaths may have saved 300 million.

The attacks justified the wars.  The wars keep the oil in our hands.  China or Russia won't be on our door over some bullshit false flag op in 20 orr 40 years.

Leaders of nations sometimes have to make hard choices for the long term viability of those nations.

Many people wouldn't be able to make that choice and we do need leaders that will.


Did this happen on 9/11?  I don't know.

[240 is Back]

And yet you've been able to figure the whole thing out, Rob! And you're telling everyone about it, too! Funny how this all mighty crack team of devious plotters couldn't stop you from blabbing.  Or maybe you're just wrong.

Maybe i'm completely wrong!!

maybe the hundreds of scholars, scientists, military men, CIA agents, etc who believe it was an inside job are ALSo wrong.

maybe the 36% who called it an inside job in a scripps nationwide poll are wrong.

I dunno.


it's an interesting debate topic though.  perhaps one day there will be a second, complete investigation to answer the questions that a growing % of our nation possess.

[240 is Back]

BTW -
Two questions were asked about the fire damage and the Presidents actions vs. his knowledge.
I answered, based upon the information provided in the 911 commisison report and the released firefighter tapes.

Suddenly those 2 questions become calls of "but, but, how would they keep all those involved quiet" and "the leader of a nation wouldn't do that".

Don't get so deep, guys.  Logistical and moral issues are hard to debate, and impossible to convince.  How can either of us prove or disprove what a man *would* do?  How can either of us prove what an unknown team would/would not do?

The 2 questions posed by John Matrix CAN be answered.

[JOHN MATRIX]

haha these threads always end up the same- the current orthodox debater  completely ignores the simple questions. 240 provides an extremely thorough arguement/answer. orthodox guy resorts to bashing 240 and never even tries to answer the simple question. what else is new

[OzmO]

haha these threads always end up the same- the current orthodox debater  completely ignores the simple questions. 240 provides an extremely thorough arguement/answer. orthodox guy resorts to bashing 240 and never even tries to answer the simple question. what else is new

If i start to answer #1 it would be like reopening a can of worms.  Maybe A_joker will feel like it.

BUT #2  is one of my favorate.

-  while it's hard for us to view BUSH objectively regarding how he acted because we are emotionally involved in the outcome of 9/11, it still puzzles me how he reacted.  THere wasn't even a look of surprise.  That's why i believe there may have been prior knowledge to the attacks

[headhuntersix]

I am just commenting on the last post only. If he flipped out..looked scared or anything but how he actd he would have been crucified. It was a no win situation no matter how he acted.

[240 is Back]

I have my own beliefs about 9/11, just as 6 billion other people all have their beliefs.

Statistically - too many anomalies that day.
Militarily - We were prepping for a war and it was too coincidental
Defensively - too many independent failures of protocol that day.
Scientifically -
Geopolitically - fit the US agenda perfectly.
Human - Bush didn't perform like most would, and his words were not the truth.
Publically - Bush wouldn't deny he knew about the attacks in advance.  Clinton or Reagan would have grabbed that fcking reporter by the collar and slapped him senseless for insinuating such a thing.  Bush stammered and said "there's a time for politics..." repeatedly.  Also "I'm a good man..." when asked right after 9/11 "what do you feel in your soul" was odd.

Fact is, none of this matters until the folks we elect order it looked into based upon lobby dollars and legal actions by victims groups.  We're just spectators and voters!

[240 is Back]

I am just commenting on the last post only. If he flipped out..looked scared or anything but how he actd he would have been crucified. It was a no win situation no matter how he acted.

hey, you're a military man.    Did you find it odd that the secret service even stopped at the school, knowing 3 planes had been hijacked and one crahsed already, when Bush arrived at 8:59?

Wouldn't protocol call for something OTHER than going to the publicly planned event in an open location like a FL grade school?

[headhuntersix]

He was already there as i understand it. I think as soon plane 1 hit they got him moving an as soon as they realized it was an attack they did their thing until we realized it wasn't nuclear. It was a timing thing.

[240 is Back]

He was already there as i understand it. I think as soon plane 1 hit they got him moving an as soon as they realized it was an attack they did their thing until we realized it wasn't nuclear. It was a timing thing.

You understand incorrectly.  FAA said under oath they told the Secret Service at 8:17 AM.

He admitted to reporters that he knew about plane 1 hitting before he sat down.  Thought it was "one bad pilot".  Then, 2 min later he was told about plane 2.

he then sat for 13 minutes reading.  Then he used the phone to talk to condi and dick and friends.  From the classroom next door.  Pics of this call show everyone standing around pretty calmly actually.

Then, at 9:30, as planned all along via his itinery, he spoke to the crowd outside before boarding his limo.

Bush knew about 3 hijackings and 2 crashes and stayed on the campus for about 30 minutes.  These are undeniable facts.  There is a very nice google video showing a split screen - 4 videos.  One is bush reading.  The other 2 are CNN and ABC showing what is happening. 

So check the facts, brother.  They knew when they opened that limo door about 3 hijacks and one crash.  Common sense dictates you reroute and you don't get outta that limo.  It's an unprecedented attack already (3 simultaneous planes you know about so far) - who in their right mind goes into a classroom at that point?

[Wombat]

The president has stated that he saw the first plane hit the tower on T.V. while he was in the hallway of the kids school...He then went in and read with the kids...Thats when the 2nd plane hit and he was told during the middle of reading with the kids....

The most telling thing about the Presidents statement is that how could he have scene the first plane fly into the building when nobody saw the actual footage until the next day...Some People actually believe that he is telling the truth that he did actually see the first plane hit on closed circuit that was postioned to see it all go down...No inside Job huh?..It was a major blunder by him stating this... 

[240 is Back]

The president has stated that he saw the first plane hit the tower on T.V. while he was in the hallway of the kids school...He then went in and read with the kids...Thats when the 2nd plane hit and he was told during the middle of reading with the kids....

The most telling thing about the Presidents statement is that how could he have scene the first plane fly into the building when nobody saw the actual footage until the next day...Some People actually believe that he is telling the truth that he did actually see the first plane hit on closed circuit that was postioned to see it all go down...No inside Job huh?..It was a major blunder by him stating this... 

The other blunder was the FAA testifying that they realized plane 1 was hijacked at 8:16 - and that by 8:17 they had informed the Secret Service.

Bush was still at  his hotel at that time.  They knew a US airliner had been hijacked.  This is HUGE!

As he dressed and prepped, he heard about plane #2 being hijacked!  This it GIGANTIC!

As he drove in the limo, he heard about plane #3 being hijacked.  UNREAL!!!!!!!!!!!!

As he drove in the limo, he was told about (or watched) crash 1 - INSANE!!!!!

When he got out of the limo (8:59), a school employee ran over and told him about the crash at the towers, he assured her that he already knew.



This is according to protocol and FAA testimony.  Bush DID NOT change plans before arriving (despite evidence he knew) and DID NOT change plans afterwards.


Bush knew about a hijacking from 8:17 to 9:30 - NEVER DIVERTED FROM HIS ITINERARY WHATSOEVER!



Is this weird to anyone?

[240 is Back]

The president has stated that he saw the first plane hit the tower on T.V. while he was in the hallway of the kids school...

This directly contradicts the video of the woman running over to his limo and him calmly reassuring her that "I know" as he stepped out.

Odd?

[OzmO]

The other blunder was the FAA testifying that they realized plane 1 was hijacked at 8:16 - and that by 8:17 they had informed the Secret Service.

Bush was still at  his hotel at that time.  They knew a US airliner had been hijacked.  This is HUGE!

As he dressed and prepped, he heard about plane #2 being hijacked!  This it GIGANTIC!

As he drove in the limo, he heard about plane #3 being hijacked.  UNREAL!!!!!!!!!!!!

As he drove in the limo, he was told about (or watched) crash 1 - INSANE!!!!!

When he got out of the limo (8:59), a school employee ran over and told him about the crash at the towers, he assured her that he already knew.



This is according to protocol and FAA testimony.  Bush DID NOT change plans before arriving (despite evidence he knew) and DID NOT change plans afterwards.


Bush knew about a hijacking from 8:17 to 9:30 - NEVER DIVERTED FROM HIS ITINERARY WHATSOEVER!



Is this weird to anyone?

LOOK,   if you can back that up with video, or a recording of the president saying that and the prove the FAA thing in a similar way.

We might actually have a real angle on a massive cover up in which George BUSH is a part of.

[Hugo Chavez]

I am just commenting on the last post only. If he flipped out..looked scared or anything but how he actd he would have been crucified. It was a no win situation no matter how he acted.

I try to stay away from the eye roll only but gotta launch it on this one    There wasn't even a double take from him.  No rush for secret service to do their job... Oh brother on and on with this one, it stinks rotten to the core... But again why are you engaging in these debates?  Once again this is topic where you can't and probably should agree.  You may not believe it but I've got all the respect in the world for what you are doing despite not agreeing with these wars.  I'm considering putting an end to any debate contrary to the president's policy online because it's completely new territory for troops in the field to be actively participating in the debate back home... This is an extremely strange dilemma for me.  At the same time why should I shut up with what I believe.  Back in the day I wouldn't have expected to engage in political debate in public where my opinion was contrary to the presidents war policy and expect to get away with it, I simply wouldn't have been able to do so.  So with today's situation, it's awefully odd for me to see a blind eye turned to opinions that agree with it still being taboo for you to pubically disagree.  I don't know the answer, only that something is off with this.

[headhuntersix]

I enjoy some of the stupidity that goes on here. Plus some of it is interesting. And I can't say a whole lot about what happens or comment about the war, where I'm at now. I'm far from a coolaide drinker....besides you'd shit if u knew what I did for the Army. Its very contrary to alot of what i post here, which is why i enjoy it. Have a good one.....

[Hugo Chavez]

I enjoy some of the stupidity that goes on here. Plus some of it is interesting. And I can't say a whole lot about what happens or comment about the war, where I'm at now. I'm far from a coolaide drinker....besides you'd shit if u knew what I did for the Army. Its very contrary to alot of what i post here, which is why i enjoy it. Have a good one.....

I understand, not that you would have but please don't let the shit from this board get you worked up.  I really don't want to see stuff said here, especially by me, hinder any of you guys by getting you worked up over something said here.  If you're getting a laugh out of it cool.

[240 is Back]

LOOK,   if you can back that up with video, or a recording of the president saying that and the prove the FAA thing in a similar way.

We might actually have a real angle on a massive cover up in which George BUSH is a part of.

Here's the deal.  I've been posting this for months.  There are 8 people here who already know this.  Then, you have brianx and BRUCE, who would ignore a handwritten confession as "they wouldn't do that".  Delusional will say anyone who thinks this should be executed.  Mr I will say it's made up.  It's pretty predictable here.

I thought my case for fire completely pwned the shit out of the official story.  People shurgged it off, as they already knew or were blocking it out. 

Tonight, I could come home and spend 4 hours detailing this with the video clip, the statements, a complete timeline.  but why?  8 of you already know.  The two in the middle (including you) already believe there should be a 2nd inevstigation.  And 3 or 4 people here will never even read it.

You have the pieces.  I've posted all this before.  It's all over google and youtube video, you can see the lady run over to the limo with your own eyes and hear bush's denial, then you can google the FAA youtube piece on "we had a running communication of all info with NORAD and Sec Srve one minute after learning of hijacking at 8:16 AM". 

So I'm done spending hours trying to convert nobody   You have the tools and it's at your fingertips.  but the times of me spending 4 hours typing out everything so Mr I can say "that's all made up" or delusional can say "I will shoot you in the head for writing this", kinda a wate of time.

history will prove me right.  I'll be a stale old man, logging on to look for the doubters, and they'll be too busy shitting on whatever that conspiracy theory of that day is.  Fuckem.

[Bigger Business]

Bush reading to those kids was merely an alibi. Can you think of a more corny ass scenario for him to 'coincidently' be involved in at that moment in history?

[240 is Back]

Bush reading to those kids was merely an alibi. Can you think of a more corny ass scenario for him to 'coincidently' be involved in at that moment in history?

What we saw that morning could have been viewed as simple poor judgment and lack of following protocol (everyone in DC was rushed underground immediately, but Bush was allowed to read books in an open unfenced campus?

But, the FAA f'cked that story up by telling the world that Bush's team KNEW about the 1st hijacking 41 minutes before his limo opened the door, and about the other two hijackings and first hit before it arrived.

It's a load of BS, but they investigated themselves and clearned themselves, so I guess they are free and clear.  And there will always be stupid people who will believe despite the evidence and motives, positional power equates to moral infallibility.  Idiots.

[Bigger Business]

The way I see it...if he was hidden away in a bunker it would be easier to allege that he was orchestrating the events, which was probably his brilliant 2 cents to the whole thing.

but because he was in a school, looking dumbfounded or whatever...people point the finger else where

[240 is Back]

The way I see it...if he was hidden away in a bunker it would be easier to allege that he was orchestrating the events, which was probably his brilliant 2 cents to the whole thing.

but because he was in a school, looking dumbfounded or whatever...people point the finger else where

Yep.  A school was a good parking spot for him.  Staging the "tell him in front of the cameras" was a nice touch.

Ari Fleischer (his press secretary) holding up a big sign that said "Don't say anything yet" was beyond comical.  Would Reagan, JFK, or CLinton have sat for 13 minutes reading about goats after hearing this?  Waiting for their f'king PRESS SECRETARY to give them permission to speak?  Pathetic.

[Bigger Business]

Those other cats you mentioned would of pulled a knife from their boot, ran outta the room, slid accross the hood of one of their escalades and gotten to work.

i compare bush's balls to those of a woman in a margerine comercial

[240 is Back]

Those other cats you mentioned would of pulled a knife from their boot, ran outta the room, slid accross the hood of one of their escalades and gotten to work.

i compare bush's balls to those of a woman in a margerine comercial

The vetting process to become US president is huge.  I mean, the kinda tests and training thye must undergo.

Bush's behavior that day, like all things with a presidency, was controlled and planned.  No way did he hear about hijacking #1 at 8:17 then change nothing until 9:31.  This does not happen.  The fix was in.

[OzmO]

Here's the deal.  I've been posting this for months.  There are 8 people here who already know this.  Then, you have brianx and BRUCE, who would ignore a handwritten confession as "they wouldn't do that".  Delusional will say anyone who thinks this should be executed.  Mr I will say it's made up.  It's pretty predictable here.

I thought my case for fire completely pwned the shit out of the official story.  People shurgged it off, as they already knew or were blocking it out. 

Tonight, I could come home and spend 4 hours detailing this with the video clip, the statements, a complete timeline.  but why?  8 of you already know.  The two in the middle (including you) already believe there should be a 2nd inevstigation.  And 3 or 4 people here will never even read it.

You have the pieces.  I've posted all this before.  It's all over google and youtube video, you can see the lady run over to the limo with your own eyes and hear bush's denial, then you can google the FAA youtube piece on "we had a running communication of all info with NORAD and Sec Srve one minute after learning of hijacking at 8:16 AM". 

So I'm done spending hours trying to convert nobody   You have the tools and it's at your fingertips.  but the times of me spending 4 hours typing out everything so Mr I can say "that's all made up" or delusional can say "I will shoot you in the head for writing this", kinda a wate of time.

history will prove me right.  I'll be a stale old man, logging on to look for the doubters, and they'll be too busy shitting on whatever that conspiracy theory of that day is.  Fuckem.

I'm not asking you to spend 4 hours looking for something.

I figure if there is a video of the pres saying that then you'd have it and would be able to post it easily.  Also i would think you'd have something tangible on the FAA thing.

I'm interested int he truth.  If you make statements such as you have made i just assume you'd have checked it out and have something ready to back it up with.

What you are claiming here is BIG.  but if you can't back it up with a recording or a video of BUSH saying it then it's all 9/11 CT BS.

I believe you have a video or a recording to back your claims up.

please post it.