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"Outrageous Injustice"
« on: January 26, 2007, 09:59:35 AM »
Long read, but interesting story about how the law deals with sex between minors in Georgia.  Tragic case. 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=wilson

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Re: "Outrageous Injustice"
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2007, 11:06:32 AM »
Long read, but interesting story about how the law deals with sex between minors in Georgia.  Tragic case. 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=wilson

I read that story yesterday from Drudge.  A horrible, nightmarish case.

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Re: "Outrageous Injustice"
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2007, 11:11:08 AM »
I wonder if that fact that he is black had anything to do with the sentence....surely not.

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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2007, 11:18:05 AM »
I wonder if that fact that he is black had anything to do with the sentence....surely not.

Anything is possible.  But having worked under three prosecutors myself years ago, the system is often inflexible and doesn't allow adjustments for the circumstances.  In other words, hands are tied when it comes to sentencing, etc.
This case is more about the inadequacy of the judicial system and the inability of the legislature to remedy it rather than racism IMO.



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Re: "Outrageous Injustice"
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2007, 11:30:12 AM »
I wonder how a judge a Jury still lives with themself after they have sentence a young man to 10 years in prison for a friggen blowjob... a blowjob she absolutely willingly gave, she was not under the influence etc.
Seriously and I'm absolutely dead serious here: If I would have been in the jury I would have quit and rather went to county jail for a couple of month myself before I do that to somebody who clearly did not deserve this.
I'm absolutely positively sure that all my family would have no problem with me going to county jail if I would have done that and fancily supported me and my future wife.

And that the law is "stiff" is absolutely horseshit... Look at all the "famous" people they catch every week doing drugs or what ever... they never see the inside of prison, they BEND the rules and the law for them on a daily basis... it's a disgrace. f**k law f**k the justice system worldwide, f**k Governments... it's time for a new beginning.

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Re: "Outrageous Injustice"
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2007, 01:24:31 PM »
I wonder how a judge a Jury still lives with themself after they have sentence a young man to 10 years in prison for a friggen blowjob... a blowjob she absolutely willingly gave, she was not under the influence etc.
Seriously and I'm absolutely dead serious here: If I would have been in the jury I would have quit and rather went to county jail for a couple of month myself before I do that to somebody who clearly did not deserve this.
I'm absolutely positively sure that all my family would have no problem with me going to county jail if I would have done that and fancily supported me and my future wife.

And that the law is "stiff" is absolutely horseshit... Look at all the "famous" people they catch every week doing drugs or what ever... they never see the inside of prison, they BEND the rules and the law for them on a daily basis... it's a disgrace. f**k law f**k the justice system worldwide, f**k Governments... it's time for a new beginning.



Not to be guilty of "horseshit" but the law is stiff when it comes to "sex crimes" where a minor is involved.  I just read a case about a WHITE 12 yr old (or so) kid whose friend sent him a site with some porn, next thing, the FBI bashed down his parents' door because there were some minors involved.  His life is messed up.  The celebs involved with drugs are a different issue altogether . . .

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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2007, 02:05:57 PM »

Not to be guilty of "horseshit" but the law is stiff when it comes to "sex crimes" where a minor is involved.  I just read a case about a WHITE 12 yr old (or so) kid whose friend sent him a site with some porn, next thing, the FBI bashed down his parents' door because there were some minors involved.  His life is messed up.  The celebs involved with drugs are a different issue altogether . . .

It's not stiff at all, it's bendable in all directions... if the right people are accused, or if somebody powerfull has an interest in the outcome of a case... happens all the time.

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Re: "Outrageous Injustice"
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2007, 02:25:06 PM »
It's not stiff at all, it's bendable in all directions... if the right people are accused, or if somebody powerfull has an interest in the outcome of a case... happens all the time.

All I'm saying is, sometimes its about race, but its not always about race.

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Re: "Outrageous Injustice"
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2007, 02:19:10 AM »
A shame this kid had to spend two years in prison.  Glad it's over for him. 

updated 7:05 p.m. EDT, Fri October 26, 2007   
Wilson released after two years behind bars for teen sex conviction
     
ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Genarlow Wilson was released from prison Friday, after spending more than two years behind bars for a teen sex conviction.

 
"I've got a new life," Genarlow Wilson tells reporters after being released Friday.

 1 of 2  "At times I dealt with adversity ... my family and myself, we finally get to deal with happiness now," Wilson said, with his mother and sister at his side.

The Georgia Supreme Court earlier Friday ordered that he be released, ruling 4-3 that his sentence was cruel and unusual punishment.

Wilson, 21, was convicted in 2005 of having oral sex with a consenting 15-year-old girl when he was 17.

Wilson said he first heard about the possibility he'd be freed Friday when someone told him word was out on the radio.

"I'd seen it coming, but I didn't exactly know when," he said. "I'd just stopped trying to figure the courts out and stopped trying to put a date on it."  Watch Wilson describe his journey to justice »

Wilson said he was looking forward to spending time with his family and plans to enroll in college to study sociology.

"You will not be disappointed," he told his supporters. "I plan on succeeding in life."

Wilson also said he doesn't regret rejecting a plea offer that could have freed him from prison months ago -- but would have required him to register as a sex offender.

"I'm glad I stayed down for my cause," he said. "I accepted the situation that I got myself into, but I never accepted that label."

Wilson's attorney, B.J. Bernstein, said earlier Friday she was working to gain his quick release.

She said Wilson's mother, Juannessa Bennett, was "overjoyed" at the court's decision.

A spokesman for Georgia Attorney General Thurbert E. Baker said there will be no further appeals.

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Friday's decision came after a protracted legal battle that has galvanized international attention and drawn the involvement of civil rights leaders. Partly as a result of Wilson's conviction, state legislators changed the law to make such consensual conduct between minors a misdemeanor, rather than a felony.

"The release of Genarlow Wilson by the Georgia Supreme Court is a significant victory in redressing the reckless and biased behavior of the criminal justice system that now operates in many states across the union," the Rev. Al Sharpton said.

"The bad news is that his young life was so unfairly interrupted with time that no state court can recover for him," Sharpton added. "This is why the Justice Department and federal government must review state courts that willfully and almost without pause violate the civil rights of people, particularly young black men around this country."

Wilson was an honor student, a football star and his high school's homecoming king before his conviction.

At the time of Wilson's conviction, Georgia law made the crime punishable by 10 years in prison. Changes in the law made such conduct "punishable by no more than a year in prison and no sex offender registration," the Georgia high court noted.

But those changes were not made retroactive, so they did not apply to Wilson.

The high court upheld the decision of a Monroe County judge. In a 48-page opinion, the court said the "severe" punishment Wilson received and his mandated sex offender registration make "no measurable contribution to acceptable goals of punishment."

The case revolves around a 2003 New Year's Eve party outside Atlanta when Wilson engaged in the sex act with the girl.

Under the now-changed Georgia law, Wilson was convicted of felony aggravated child molestation. He was acquitted on a second charge of raping a 17-year-old girl -- who prosecutors maintained was too intoxicated at the party to consent.

The 10-year sentence was mandatory under the law.

In the decision, Chief Justice Leah Ward Sears wrote that changes in the law "represent a seismic shift in the legislature's view of the gravity of oral sex between two willing teenage participants."

"Although society has a significant interest in protecting children from premature sexual activity, we must acknowledge that Wilson's crime does not rise to the level of culpability of adults who prey on children," the court's majority found.

"For the law to punish Wilson as it would an adult, with the extraordinarily harsh punishment of 10 years in prison without the possibility of probation or parole, appears to be grossly disproportionate to his crime," the majority opinion concluded.

The dissent noted that the Georgia Legislature had made clear that the changes in the law were not to be applied retroactively.

Writing for the dissenting justices, Justice George Carley said, "The General Assembly made the express decision that he cannot benefit from the subsequent legislative determination to reduce the sentence for commission of that crime from felony to misdemeanor status."

The majority countered that it was not applying the 2006 amendment retroactively, but instead factoring that "into its determination that Wilson's punishment is cruel and unusual," the court said in a news release.

The court said this kind of decision is unusual: "The majority opinion points out that this court rarely overturns a sentence on cruel and unusual grounds. But twice before, it did so following a legislative change."

The Monroe County Superior Court judge also ruled that Wilson's punishment was cruel and unusual and voided it on constitutional grounds.

The judge reduced the sentence to one year and said Wilson should not be put on Georgia's sex offender registry, as the old law required.

Wilson's jubilant attorneys had hoped that ruling would free him from state prison. But shortly after it was handed down, Georgia's attorney general announced he would appeal that decision, a move that kept Wilson behind bars.

The Georgia high court said unanimously that the decision to deny Wilson bail was correct.

Wilson's plight drew pleas for his release, including from former President Carter, himself an ex-Georgia governor, and even some jurors who convicted him.

Legislation that would make the change in Georgia's child molestation law retroactive to free Wilson failed to win approval earlier this year.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/10/26/wilson.freed/index.html

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Re: "Outrageous Injustice"
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2007, 12:51:52 AM »
I wonder how a judge a Jury still lives with themself after they have sentence a young man to 10 years in prison for a friggen blowjob... a blowjob she absolutely willingly gave, she was not under the influence etc.
Seriously and I'm absolutely dead serious here: If I would have been in the jury I would have quit and rather went to county jail for a couple of month myself before I do that to somebody who clearly did not deserve this.
I'm absolutely positively sure that all my family would have no problem with me going to county jail if I would have done that and fancily supported me and my future wife.

And that the law is "stiff" is absolutely horseshit... Look at all the "famous" people they catch every week doing drugs or what ever... they never see the inside of prison, they BEND the rules and the law for them on a daily basis... it's a disgrace. f**k law f**k the justice system worldwide, f**k Governments... it's time for a new beginning.

The jury was duped and was completely unaware that there was no flexibility in the sentencing. 

The act did occur, so that's why he was convicted. 

Unreal.

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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2007, 01:19:56 AM »
only in america does Shit like this happen, one of my friends had his life fucked up cause he slept with his GF when they were both minors. they called it 'assault'  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)

america seriously needs to address this shit, i cant think of a worse travesty of justice than what happened to the kid in the article...

anyone who makes an issue out of this stuff needs to be locked up or killed as a threat to the civilized world, for crimes against humanity

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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2007, 06:54:45 PM »
I don't understand - don't prosecutors and police have "discretionary" powers as to what cases they pursue. Was it ever in "The Peoples" interest to pursue this case.

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Re: "Outrageous Injustice"
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2007, 07:02:03 PM »
I don't understand - don't prosecutors and police have "discretionary" powers as to what cases they pursue. Was it ever in "The Peoples" interest to pursue this case.

Yes.

No. 

I think that is what we call an abuse of discretion.  I frankly don't see much difference between what these prosecutors did what Nifong did to those Duke kids. 

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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2007, 08:16:21 PM »
Fuck him, he got what he deserved. Raping a 15 year old is not cool.

And there are some who agree with you.  Many more who don't. 

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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2007, 08:26:44 PM »
A guy at my high school ( who is white) got 7 years for fucking a 15 year old when he was 18.

I remember thinking it was not fair back then, but then again me and my friends were not stupid enough to fuck little girls like he was......he got what he deserved.

You know, as much as I don't like what happened to this Wilson kid, I pretty much agree with you and have argued your position before.  I think it is literally impossible for an adult male to NOT know that a girl is in the 9th or 10th grade in high school, unless he has sex with her shortly after meeting her.  In any event, if you want to run the risk of having sex with a woman (or girl) without knowing anything about her, including whether or not she is a minor, then you suffer the consequences. 

I served with a guy in the Army who got about 15 years for having sex with a 15-year-old he met less than an hour earlier.  She looked like a young woman and was a black belt in karate.  I felt really bad for the guy, but he took a huge risk. 

The difference in this Wilson case is they were both minors.