CDN Town Tells Immigrants They Can't Stone Women...

[Deedee]

At first glance it seems like it might be racist... but...perhaps not, when you consider what's going on in the UK and elsewhere. I think some Dutch towns issued similar edicts/information for immigrants. 


OTTAWA (Reuters) - Immigrants to the small Quebec town of Herouxville must not stone women in public, burn them alive or throw acid on them, according to an extraordinary set of rules made public by the local council.

The declaration, published on the town's Web site, has deepened a debate in the predominantly French-speaking Canadian province over how tolerant Quebecers should be towards the customs and traditions of immigrants.

"We wish to inform these new arrivals that the way of life which they abandoned when they left their countries of origin cannot be recreated here," said the declaration, which also says women are allowed to drive, vote, dance, write checks, dress how they want, work and own property.

"Therefore we consider it completely outside these norms to ... kill women by stoning them in public, burning them alive, burning them with acid, circumcising them etc."

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=2007-01-30T174329Z_01_N30302451_RTRIDST_0_OUKOE-UK-STONING.XML&pageNumber=1&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage1

[Camel Jockey]

Stoning women? What's wrong with these fuckers? 
 
At a certain point you can't say it's custom or culture anymore because barbaric behavior is not acceptable, regardless of whether it's apart of culture or not.

[Dos Equis]

"Therefore we consider it completely outside these norms to ... kill women by stoning them in public

Does this mean they can stone them in private? 

[OzmO]

Can we just get them all stoned? 

Then we can eat afterwards 

[Deedee]

Can we just get them all stoned? 

Who, the Quebecers, lol?

Does this mean they can stone them in private?

No, I doubt it.    Quebec is a hugely feminist province.  I think it's a backlash against the large influx of muslims into the communities. They aren't dealing well with the Niqabs and other customs they are not accustomed to dealing with. English used to be the second language... it no longer is.

[Dos Equis]

Who, the Quebecers, lol?

No, I doubt it.    Quebec is a hugely feminist province.  I think it's a backlash against the large influx of muslims into the communities. They aren't dealing well with the Niqabs and other customs they are not accustomed to dealing with. English used to be the second language... it no longer is.

Well, they drafted the language like English is their second language.     I would have removed the word "private." 

[Deedee]

Well, they drafted the language like English is their second language.     I would have removed the word "private." 

You get used to it, lol.  But do you mean you would have removed "private" or "public?"  I guess they meant women mustn't be executed ad hoc in that manner.  Highly doubtful anyone would ruin their household furnishings by throwing rocks indoors.

I think people are growing concerned as there were murmurings at one time of introducing Sharia law in the province of Ontario.  Judi would know more about that than I though.

[Dos Equis]

You get used to it, lol.  But do you mean you would have removed "private" or "public?"  I guess they meant women mustn't be executed ad hoc in that manner.  Highly doubtful anyone would ruin their household furnishings by throwing rocks indoors.

I think people are growing concerned as there were murmurings at one time of introducing Sharia law in the province of Ontario.  Judi would know more about that than I though.

Doh!     I would have removed the word "public."   

BTW, what a painful way to go.  I was hit by a rock once by my friend's kid while we were hiking.  Hurt like heck.  If his father wasn't right next to me I would have whacked that kid.    

[Tre]

Third-world Canada at it again...

[Deedee]

Doh!     I would have removed the word "public."   

BTW, what a painful way to go.  I was hit by a rock once by my friend's kid while we were hiking.  Hurt like heck.  If his father wasn't right next to me I would have whacked that kid.    

I've been hit by a rock too, and yes it does hurt like heck.  But I'm sure after the first ten stunning blows, you probably don't feel anything anymore.

This Canadian thing is just a little disturbing because it shows a growing trend toward intolerance (in a country known worldwide for its tolerance)... or maybe it's just the clash that eventually happens when so many cultures, including the founding one, are thrown together and told to "play nice."

In any event, I doubt this kind of thing would happen in the US.

[Deedee]

Third-world Canada at it again...

Lol... so far, only seems like Quebec.

[Dos Equis]

I've been hit by a rock too, and yes it does hurt like heck.  But I'm sure after the first ten stunning blows, you probably don't feel anything anymore.

This Canadian thing is just a little disturbing because it shows a growing trend toward intolerance (in a country known worldwide for its tolerance)... or maybe it's just the clash that eventually happens when so many cultures, including the founding one, are thrown together and told to "play nice."

In any event, I doubt this kind of thing would happen in the US.

Don't they have laws on the books that already addresses that stuff? 

[OzmO]

I've been hit by a rock too, and yes it does hurt like heck.  But I'm sure after the first ten stunning blows, you probably don't feel anything anymore.

This Canadian thing is just a little disturbing because it shows a growing trend toward intolerance (in a country known worldwide for its tolerance)... or maybe it's just the clash that eventually happens when so many cultures, including the founding one, are thrown together and told to "play nice."

In any event, I doubt this kind of thing would happen in the US.

Getting stoned should be painless     

[Debussey]

These cultures must die.

[Deedee]

Don't they have laws on the books that already addresses that stuff? 

Technically yes... Canada hasn't been stoning women for quite some time I believe. Lol. This statement released by the town was supposed to address the concern about other cultural aspects immigrants might bring with them. Like the wearing of niqabs... there was mention in the article of a Montreal gym that frosted its windows so a religious group wouldn't be offended by immodest showing of skin, etc...

Getting stoned should be painless 

Any pointers Ozmo? 

These cultures must die. 

I guess the Aliens will take care of that...

[OzmO]

Any pointers Ozmo? 
 

-  Don't close your eyes when you bend down to take a hit from the bong or when you bring it up to your face.
-  Don't take a hit from the lit end of a joint.
-  Don't put the seeds in your brownies.


that's all i can think of rightnow.

[240 is Back]

Does Canada condone or in any way faciliate torture of its citizens?

[Dos Equis]

Technically yes... Canada hasn't been stoning women for quite some time I believe. Lol. This statement released by the town was supposed to address the concern about other cultural aspects immigrants might bring with them. Like the wearing of niqabs... there was mention in the article of a Montreal gym that frosted its windows so a religious group wouldn't be offended by immodest showing of skin, etc...

lol.  I sure hope so.  I was referring to this:  "the declaration, which also says women are allowed to drive, vote, dance, write checks, dress how they want, work and own property." 

[Debussey]

I guess the Aliens will take care of that...

They are still not here.

Trust Debussey. When they come, these crap is the first to go.

[Deedee]

lol.  I sure hope so.  I was referring to this:  "the declaration, which also says women are allowed to drive, vote, dance, write checks, dress how they want, work and own property." 

Well, last time I checked, my friends and family were driving and working, writing all kinds of checks, and definitely using their credit cards.   The ratifiers of the document were just trying to send out a "reminder" so that those who do not believe in these values "would not come." Anyway, I went to their website to see if there was a better English translation (lol) but looks like the government has shut them down... or let me put it another way, probably "invited" them to do so.

Does Canada condone or in any way faciliate torture of its citizens?

Condone? I hope not. Facillitate? The Arar case is evidence that yes, we do.

[beatmaster]

man i live in montreal quebec and trust me, those fu*kers don't respect anything we have, i saw so many things you wont believe me........

i saw it on tv about what that town wants and trust me, they are right!!!

[Dos Equis]

Well, last time I checked, my friends and family were driving and working, writing all kinds of checks, and definitely using their credit cards.   The ratifiers of the document were just trying to send out a "reminder" so that those who do not believe in these values "would not come." Anyway, I went to their website to see if there was a better English translation (lol) but looks like the government has shut them down... or let me put it another way, probably "invited" them to do so.

Hey would this be xenophobia?  [I've been waiting to use that word since I learned it from Jag.]

[BRUCE]

At first glance it seems like it might be racist... but...perhaps not, when you consider what's going on in the UK and elsewhere. I think some Dutch towns issued similar edicts/information for immigrants. 


OTTAWA (Reuters) - Immigrants to the small Quebec town of Herouxville must not stone women in public, burn them alive or throw acid on them, according to an extraordinary set of rules made public by the local council.

The declaration, published on the town's Web site, has deepened a debate in the predominantly French-speaking Canadian province over how tolerant Quebecers should be towards the customs and traditions of immigrants.

"We wish to inform these new arrivals that the way of life which they abandoned when they left their countries of origin cannot be recreated here," said the declaration, which also says women are allowed to drive, vote, dance, write checks, dress how they want, work and own property.

"Therefore we consider it completely outside these norms to ... kill women by stoning them in public, burning them alive, burning them with acid, circumcising them etc."

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=2007-01-30T174329Z_01_N30302451_RTRIDST_0_OUKOE-UK-STONING.XML&pageNumber=1&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage1

Why would any country extend an invitation to people that it would suspect of being capable of brutally murdering others?  Why does Islam constantly raise these sorts of illogical trade-offs in Western nations?

[Deedee]

man i live in montreal quebec and trust me, those fu*kers don't respect anything we have, i saw so many things you wont believe me........

i saw it on tv about what that town wants and trust me, they are right!!!

Just curious what you've seen.  I've seen the man with the whistle calling the errant womenfolk in niqabs when they were toodling too far behind, and another smacking some woman on the street, but that's about it. Granted, it's galling to see.

Hey would this be xenophobia?  [I've been waiting to use that word since I learned it from Jag.]

Lol Beach, maybe, but I don't think so, since they've said they welcome anyone. They are opposed to extreme values, and Sharia law was mentioned.  Xenophobia means fear of things foreign. People often say some Americans are xenophobic because they distrust or fear anything non-American without knowing anything about what they fear. In the case of this town, they would be willing to share a falafel with you, they just don't want to see women wearing shrouds, abused, etc...

Why does Islam constantly raise these sorts of illogical trade-offs in Western nations?

hmmm... not sure exactly what this means?

[beatmaster]

well, lets say you go to another country, you have to adapted!, right?, sure you can bring your religion, but there is a fu*kin' limit, when immigrants try to change laws that was already establish, that its wrong.....

ie: there is a gym in montreal, it's been there for years, right in front of it there's a new building where immigrants can go there for study and everything, well guess what, they when on tv and they ask the gym to put something on the windows so they can see inside, cause they are not allowed to see peoples half naked.....

In a school a kid was told not to bring is knife in school (with a 4-6 inchs blade), well the parents when to court and they won, because it's part of their religion..... try to do that, you'll probably go to jail!!!

on and on.......

the reason why that town did that are for reasons like that, in some part of montreal you think your in irak!

it's becoming very bad in some area, they don't respect anything, like i said i saw so many things....