Bob Chick: Your COMMENTS on Franco`s Statement?

[Pollux]

Chick...

Was there some sort of pre-interview you guys conducted with Franco before going live or you just ran with it?

Also, the same question goes for the upcoming Arnold interview.

[tu_holmes]

I don`t agree.

There is nobody showing up looking like An Arnold or a Zane, Sergio.

They are just judging whatever crap is coming their way.  And the majority of it is crap.

I'm with you TA... Can I at least get a Labrada or Gaspari...

Bueller? Bueller?

[Chick]

Chick...

Was there some sort of pre-interview you guys conducted with Franco before going live or you just ran with it?

Also, the same question goes for the upcoming Arnold interview.

No, there is never a "pre interview" or questions that are given prior to us giving the inteview.

The only request we honor (and give the same courtesy to all guests on PBW) is if they dont want a specific subject brought up...I'm talking personal stuff, etc...

[CF]

Franco may have a point about physiques deteriorating in many ways today, but it's a bit irritating when the old timers always think everything was better in their day. I'm sure many felt Franco winning with legs that looked like sausages and massive gyno was a "bad for bodybuilding". Franco was probably regarded as a mass monster and steroid abuser in his day.

I don't disagree with the old timers, though Franco's physique was flawed with time, they still had better overall physiques with less evidence of extensive chemical abuse. (That's coming from a current national competitor.)

There's a fine line with being PC, putting a man on the spot, trying to publically embarass, and showing some class, being respecful and maintaining proper decorum when asking questions to a legend of our sport....

The last thing we are trying to do is put someone on the spot, or publicly humiliate anyone...it's not good radio and would lend greatly to getting fewer and less "star appeal" on the show....we ask tough questions, but fair ones and it shows with our continued and growing support of the show.

Well said Bob, nice job, and yes regardless, he is a legend and should be treated as such.  Good work.

Carlo

[shiftedShapes]

bullshit...Melvin, Phil, Dex, Toney, Dugdale, Troy, Ahmed, Rockel, Wolf, etc......all have small waists and nice aesthetic lines...

true and if judges started giving these guys wins in the big shows everybody would get the message and we would see a return to more symmetrical physiques.

A lot of the guys who end up being mass monsters could have gone a different direction and maintained good proportions if the judges rewarded aesthetics consitently and not just at the smaller shows.

[Chick]

Exactly my point....whoever is in the winners circle, sets the tone for the rest.

When Dorian took it up a notch...everyone else had to adjust.

The judging dictates the physiques...

[tu_holmes]

When Dorian took it up a notch...everyone else had to adjust.

Odd how most think it's gone down quite a few more notches since he left.

[the shadow]

Bob,

Well done on the radio show first off.  What I want to know is what are your comments in regards to Franco`s assesment of GH and Insulin as well as the high usage of other Drugs ruining bodybuilding.

Do you agree or disagree and what are your thoughts?

In an ideal situation, what would you like to see happen regarding this issue? The continuation of such usage?

ohh sut up anal adonis.this has been discussed 10000000000000000 times.so whats the point making bullshit threads

[AVBG]

ohh sut up anal adonis.this has been discussed 10000000000000000 times.so whats the point making bullshit threads

Hey Apu, don't you have some customers to serve? fook off

[natural al]

I agree 100%...The direction the judging goes will dictate where the BBers go...much like womens BB, If the judges keep rewarding a physique that isnt marketable...then mens BB will meet the same fate.

Reward a small waist with higher placings...mark down for GH gut, etc....seems simple to me.

I've actually beeen saying this for months in regards to jay winning the Olympia.  It's not his fault he looks like he looks right now, which is not what I feel should be winnin BB contests.  the judges dictated to jay what he had to do to win the Olympia.  Honestly, if jay would have shown up in the exact same condition this year as he was in 01-when most think he looked his best on an O stage-he would have lost.

The sport was so much better off in the early and even mid 90's and it just took a sad turn, I don't know whay it happened but it did and now they have to dig themselves out of it.  there are probably 10-12 guys who represent what should be winning shows right now but I think peoeple would loose thier minds if they started winning shows.  Put guys like Rockel, henry, Dugdale and the like at the forefront of the sport and see what happens....hell, Toney Freeman is awsome, have him leadd the way. 

[ribonucleic]

The fault lies not in our stars, but in ourselves...

The judges are influenced by the magazines, who are influenced by us. When Dexter's DVD outsells Ronnie's, that's when you'll see aesthetics justly rewarded at the O. In the meantime, if you want to blame anyone for the state of the sport, blame the guy screaming "RUUUUHHHLL!" at the Arnold.

[donrhummy]

Not like Arnold,Sergio or Zane.  Not even close.

You're missing Bob's point. If guys like that were rewarded and guys like Ronnie/Jay/Dennis James were down-graded for their guts/gyno, then you'd get more and more BB's trying to have tighter waists (an X-frame). Then you'd get guys who could compete with the Ironagers.

Bob is 100% correct, you need the rules to be enforced via proper judging that grades down GH guts, un-proportioned physiques, gyno, etc. in order to stop seeing those "features."

[natural al]

You're missing Bob's point. If guys like that were rewarded and guys like Ronnie/Jay/Dennis James were down-graded for their guts/gyno, then you'd get more and more BB's trying to have tighter waists (an X-frame). Then you'd get guys who could compete with the Ironagers.

Bob is 100% correct, you need the rules to be enforced via proper judging that grades down GH guts, un-proportioned physiques, gyno, etc. in order to stop seeing those "features."

agree 100%.  It should be the judges who stop this fiasco, they helped create it so they should fix it.  Ronnie should have stopped winnin the O years ago.  Once his seperation, muscularity and detail went away it should have been bye-bye.  A guy should be big but not bit at the expense of all other criteria.

[Chick]

Exactly my point...lets take womens BB for xample.

I took a lot of heat for an article I put out last year about the state of womens BB, based on the decline of interest over the years...and draw a parallel to the decline and the physique diplayed.

What most people glossed over was that I gave at least 50% of the blame to the judging itself...when the keep putting the most muscular woman in the winners circle, what do you expect the other women to do, but follow suit. In effect, they're (the judges) are giving the green light to get more muscular, ripped and are saying "here you go...THIS is what were looking for"...

They need to be careful with figure, as it is also boardering on too extreme...tough these days to tell if a girl is in the LW BB, fitness, or figure...once the 3 distinctions become 1 big blurred one...fitness and figure will follow in the same footsteps as FBB

[donrhummy]

They need to be careful with figure, as it is also boardering on too extreme...tough these days to tell if a girl is in the LW BB, fitness, or figure...once the 3 distinctions become 1 big blurred one...fitness and figure will follow in the same footsteps as FBB

I agree. Many of the Figure women today could have competed against Cory Everson.

[ribonucleic]

The only request we honor (and give the same courtesy to all guests on PBW) is if they dont want a specific subject brought up...I'm talking personal stuff, etc...

I guess that explains the absence of tranny questions during Shawn's recent Hall of Fame interview. 

[The True Adonis]

Exactly my point...lets take womens BB for xample.

I took a lot of heat for an article I put out last year about the state of womens BB, based on the decline of interest over the years...and draw a parallel to the decline and the physique diplayed.

What most people glossed over was that I gave at least 50% of the blame to the judging itself...when the keep putting the most muscular woman in the winners circle, what do you expect the other women to do, but follow suit. In effect, they're (the judges) are giving the green light to get more muscular, ripped and are saying "here you go...THIS is what were looking for"...

They need to be careful with figure, as it is also boardering on too extreme...tough these days to tell if a girl is in the LW BB, fitness, or figure...once the 3 distinctions become 1 big blurred one...fitness and figure will follow in the same footsteps as FBB

What exactly is Figure anyways?

What are the stipulations that one is figure and not Bodybuilding?  I never could find an answer.

[ripitupbaby]

What exactly is Figure anyways?

What is the stipulations that one is figure and not Bodybuilding?  I never could find an answer.

The NPC has some loose "standards" for figure...

Then the quarter turns will be directed so the judges can make any final comparisons they wish. Again the judges will be assessing the overall physique for degree of athleticism, proportion and skin tone and scoring the degree of athleticism by assessing the degree of firmness, symmetry, proportion and the overall physical appearance including complexion, poise and overall presentation.

NPC / IFBB FIGURE GUIDELINES
PHYSIQUE:
Small degree of muscularity with separation no visible striations
-Overall muscle toneness with shapely lines, overall firmness and no excessive leanness.
-Full general assessment
-Healthy appearance
-Face
-Makeup
-Skin tone
NO EXCESSIVE OVERALL MUSCULARITY
I've been told that capped shoulders are frowned upon, as well as visible leg separation.   


Figure is all over the place these days...it's a total wild card depending on what kind of physique the judges are looking for.  At some competitions, the only difference between the figure competitor and the LW BB is the posing.  At other competitions, you may wonder if the figure competitor even works out.

Figure and BB are in transition, and both are trying to move towards a more "Marketable" look, whatever that is.
 

[The True Adonis]

The NPC has some loose "standards" for figure...

Then the quarter turns will be directed so the judges can make any final comparisons they wish. Again the judges will be assessing the overall physique for degree of athleticism, proportion and skin tone and scoring the degree of athleticism by assessing the degree of firmness, symmetry, proportion and the overall physical appearance including complexion, poise and overall presentation.

NPC / IFBB FIGURE GUIDELINES
PHYSIQUE:
Small degree of muscularity with separation no visible striations
-Overall muscle toneness with shapely lines, overall firmness and no excessive leanness.
-Full general assessment
-Healthy appearance
-Face
-Makeup
-Skin tone
NO EXCESSIVE OVERALL MUSCULARITY
I've been told that capped shoulders are frowned upon, as well as visible leg separation.   


Figure is all over the place these days...it's a total wild card depending on what kind of physique the judges are looking for.  At some competitions, the only difference between the figure competitor and the LW BB is the posing.  At other competitions, you may wonder if the figure competitor even works out.

Figure and BB are in transition, and both are trying to move towards a more "Marketable" look, whatever that is.
 

I am even more confused as I have seen all the judging "criteria" violated.   
That criteria is absurd and I still don`t get it.

[ripitupbaby]

I am even more confused as I have seen all the judging "criteria" violated.   
That criteria is absurd and I still don`t get it.

YEAH, tell me about it.  You should try preparing for a figure competition.
That's why I am switching over to BB.

[tu_holmes]

YEAH, tell me about it.  You should try preparing for a figure competition.

Uh, no thinks... I don't want to upstage all those women.

[MCWAY]

Exactly my point...lets take womens BB for xample.

I took a lot of heat for an article I put out last year about the state of womens BB, based on the decline of interest over the years...and draw a parallel to the decline and the physique diplayed.

What most people glossed over was that I gave at least 50% of the blame to the judging itself...when the keep putting the most muscular woman in the winners circle, what do you expect the other women to do, but follow suit. In effect, they're (the judges) are giving the green light to get more muscular, ripped and are saying "here you go...THIS is what were looking for"...

They need to be careful with figure, as it is also boardering on too extreme...tough these days to tell if a girl is in the LW BB, fitness, or figure...once the 3 distinctions become 1 big blurred one...fitness and figure will follow in the same footsteps as FBB

It seems that fitness has woes all its own. More women seem to be fleeing fitness and going to figure, not because of any issues with muscularity, but because many of them keep getting clobbered by other fitness girls with heavy gymnast backgrounds.

If you recall at the 2004 Orlando Xtreme Pro show. There was only one competitor in the fitness show, held earlier that evening. Yet, there were several more women in the figure show (including that lone fitness girl, who ended up winning the figure show as well).

[tu_holmes]

It seems that fitness has woes all its own. More women seem to be fleeing fitness and going to figure, not because of any issues with muscularity, but because many of them keep getting clobbered by other fitness girls with heavy gymnast backgrounds.

If you recall at the 2004 Orlando Xtreme Pro show. There was only one competitor in the fitness show, held earlier that evening. Yet, there were several more women in the figure show (including that lone fitness girl, who ended up winning the figure show as well).

Well, why do they have to do fucking gymnastics? Why not just get Women's bodybuilding under control and let them do like the guys do?

Instead of "fixing" their issues with FBB, they created new divisions... Why isn't there a "guys fitness", or a "guys figure" (for the G4P crowd)?  Because it's not AS broken (and yes, it's still borked)... They need to fix their fuckups and stop trying to play hot potato.

It's a fucking disgrace.

[finurface]

If there are any reliable indications that Dexter Jackson would be more marketable than Ronnie Coleman [other than being able to speak English], I haven't seen them.

Bodybuilding is a hobby of and for freaks. "Real" people understand this instinctively. No one is fooling them with a narrow waist.

great comment.