Michael Irvin in the Hall of Fame.....

[Cap]

I wonder why they let this racist drug abusing bastard in.  Well I guess McGwire and Bonds should be a shoe-in on their third try.

[body88]

I wonder why they let this racist drug abusing bastard in.  Well I guess McGwire and Bonds should be a shoe-in on their third try.

Hypocrisy at its finest. 

[blinky]

I wonder why they let this racist drug abusing bastard in.  Well I guess McGwire and Bonds should be a shoe-in on their third try.

i think bonds needs to retire first 

[pumpster]

Football HOF doesn't seem as concerned with off-field stuff, so a great player and clown like Irvin can get in sooner.

[Dos Equis]

Noooooooooooo!!!!!!  Irvin over Art Monk??  Irvin over Derrick Thomas?  Irvin period??  I can't stand that crackhead. 

[body88]

Tippet did not get in this time, should next time! I hope so anyway!

[RUDE BUOY]

irvin over art monk is a disgrace how many dicks did irvin suck 

[pumpster]

Irvin deserved it more than Monk. Monk's debatable for the HoF because he didn't have a lot of outstanding years in comparison with other great receivers, and the good years were dispersed amongst many ok years. Nor was he nearly as dominant as Irvin both in terms of production over a shorter period of time, and concerning intangibles; Irvin's persona was a big part of the Cowboy's success. Irvin's yards per catch was 2 1/2 yards higher over his career; he was obviously more dangerous on yards after catches, like TO.

Irvin was the 2nd best wide in the league behind Rice for years, Monk wasn't:



Irvin:   Rushing         |        Receiving        |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year  TM |   G |   Att  Yards    Y/A   TD |   Rec  Yards   Y/R   TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1988 dal |  14 |     1      2    2.0    0 |    32    654  20.4    5 |
| 1989 dal |   6 |     1      6    6.0    0 |    26    378  14.5    2 |
| 1990 dal |  12 |     0      0    0.0    0 |    20    413  20.6    5 |
| 1991 dal |  16 |     0      0    0.0    0 |    93   1523  16.4    8 |
| 1992 dal |  16 |     1     -9   -9.0    0 |    78   1396  17.9    7 |
| 1993 dal |  16 |     2      6    3.0    0 |    88   1330  15.1    7 |
| 1994 dal |  16 |     0      0    0.0    0 |    79   1241  15.7    6 |
| 1995 dal |  16 |     0      0    0.0    0 |   111   1603  14.4   10 |
| 1996 dal |  11 |     0      0    0.0    0 |    64    962  15.0    2 |
| 1997 dal |  16 |     0      0    0.0    0 |    75   1180  15.7    9 |
| 1998 dal |  16 |     1      1    1.0    0 |    74   1057  14.3    1 |
| 1999 dal |   4 |     0      0    0.0    0 |    10    167  16.7    3 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
|  TOTAL   | 159 |     6      6    1.0    0 |   750  11904  15.9   65 |



Monk:                 |          Rushing         |        Receiving        |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year  TM |   G |   Att  Yards    Y/A   TD |   Rec  Yards   Y/R   TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1980 was |  16 |     0      0    0.0    0 |    58    797  13.7    3 |
| 1981 was |  16 |     1     -5   -5.0    0 |    56    894  16.0    6 |
| 1982 was |   9 |     7     21    3.0    0 |    35    447  12.8    1 |
| 1983 was |  12 |     3    -19   -6.3    0 |    47    746  15.9    5 |
| 1984 was |  16 |     2     18    9.0    0 |   106   1372  12.9    7 |
| 1985 was |  15 |     7     51    7.3    0 |    91   1226  13.5    2 |
| 1986 was |  16 |     4     27    6.8    0 |    73   1068  14.6    4 |
| 1987 was |   9 |     6     63   10.5    0 |    38    483  12.7    6 |
| 1988 was |  16 |     7     46    6.6    0 |    72    946  13.1    5 |
| 1989 was |  16 |     3      8    2.7    0 |    86   1186  13.8    8 |
| 1990 was |  16 |     7     59    8.4    0 |    68    770  11.3    5 |
| 1991 was |  16 |     9     19    2.1    0 |    71   1049  14.8    8 |
| 1992 was |  16 |     6     45    7.5    0 |    46    644  14.0    3 |
| 1993 was |  16 |     1     -1   -1.0    0 |    41    398   9.7    2 |
| 1994 nyj |  16 |     0      0    0.0    0 |    46    581  12.6    3 |
| 1995 phi |   3 |     0      0    0.0    0 |     6    114  19.0    0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
|  TOTAL   | 224 |    63    332    5.3    0 |   940  12721  13.5   68 |

[bmacsys]

The all crack smoking hall of fame!

[bmacsys]

Tippet did not get in this time, should next time! I hope so anyway!

Joe Klecko should be in. The only man to be 1st team all pro at three positions. When he was healthy he toyed with offensive lineman.

[pumpster]

Joe Klecko should be in. The only man to be 1st team all pro at three positions. When he was healthy he toyed with offensive lineman.

This is true. The HoF makes sometimes gets it wrong in leaving out great players. His son on the Colts also has the same natural football intuition, as seen in the last few games.

Howie Long got in to the HoF as much for the exposure he had as for talent, while others like him didn't make it. Took way too much aggrevation to get Harry Carson in when he was one of the best MLBs of the 80s.

[Dos Equis]

Monk was one of the best of his era.  I believe he was second all time in receptions when he retired.  He is currently 6th all time in receptions and 11th in receiving yards (Irvin is 20th and 14th).  Irvin made the Pro Bowl 5 times, Monk 3 times.  Irvin also had the advantage of playing with Aikman, Smith, Moose, Harper, Novacek, and one of the best O-lines in NFL history.  

Theismann raves about Monk him too.    

[pumpster]

Monk was one of the best of his era.  I believe he was second all time in receptions when he retired.  He is currently 6th all time in receptions and 11th in receiving yards (Irvin is 20th and 14th).  Irvin made the Pro Bowl 5 times, Monk 3 times.  Irvin also had the advantage of playing with Aikman, Smith, Moose, Harper, Novacek, and one of the best O-lines in NFL history.  

Theismann raves about Monk him too.    

I posted the numbers. They were good but not completely compelling in terms of the HoF and other greats who might also deserve to be in. As far as high career totals, that can be misleading when it's a long career. Of course Joe would rave about him, by itself that's so biased as to be almost meaningless.

[Dos Equis]

I posted the numbers. They were good but not completely compelling in terms of the HoF and other greats who might also deserve to be in. As far as high career totals, that can be misleading when it's a long career. Of course Joe would rave about him, by itself that's so biased as to be almost meaningless.

That's why you don't consider (and I didn't mention) Theismann's opinion by itself.  That said, I value a player's opinion much more so than anyone who never played the game, which I believe includes some of the HOF voters? 

Career numbers can be misleading, but another way to look at them is a player was very good over an extended period of time. 

Also, I don't know how they justify Irvin over Derrick Thomas.  Crazy.  I might even put Andre Reed ahead of Irvin (but that may be my anti-Cowboy bias shining through).