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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2007, 10:57:49 AM »
Body88: You think its ok to torture animals!!

Devon97: I think its wrong to TORTURE animals but not nearly as bad as doing it to a human.

If I had a choice of a dog be tortured and killed over that of an innocent human being tortured and killed I would choose the dog every time.

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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2007, 10:59:45 AM »
Body88: You think its ok to torture animals!!

Devon97: I think its wrong to TORTURE animals but not nearly as bad as doing it to a human.


Go back and read the series of posts again(before you edit it when you see what is going on). Actually, nevermind! Not feeding a dog for a month might be considered torture.

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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2007, 11:02:12 AM »
Body88: You think its ok to torture animals!!

Devon97: I think its wrong to TORTURE animals but not nearly as bad as doing it to a human.

If I had a choice of a dog be tortured and killed over that of an innocent human being tortured and killed I would choose the dog every time.


The point was no one ever disputed that. Please re read the thread.




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Quote from: Max_Rep on Today at 12:44:36 AM
Throw away the key. There is not excuse for child, spousal or animal cruelty or neglect.


"So you think animal neglect is just as bad as Child or spousal neglect?"



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Quote from: BroadStreetBruiser on Today at 09:49:57 AM

ROFL it's a fucking dog. Sure it's a prick move but christ let's not get the food chain twisted


Exactly,  It ALWAYS amazes me how people think animals are their EQUAL!



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Exactly,  It ALWAYS amazes me how people think animals are their EQUAL!


The point is, a dog left without food and water is defenseless. It is like leaving a small child alone with no food or water. Obviously it is not as bad a leaving a small child home alone, locked up, with no food, or water. That is not what rep was saying. What  Artest did such a scumbag move. Wtf did the dog do, to deserve being starved to death? No one was saying it was worse then abusing kids. He was saying people who abuse children, defensless animals or people are scumbags. People who abuse animals (especially pets) are pieces of shit.


"Throw away the key. There is no excuse for child, spousal or animal cruelty or neglect."


Apparently you cant read "Devon" To you its just a dog, to people who are not total dipshits its an innocent animal that no one has the right to abuse for no reason. Especially a millionaire nba player. No one said it was worse then abusing a small child. He said there was excuse for any of the offenses. Which there isn't.



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You are correct, in that Max Rep did NOT say that it was worse to neglect a dog that a child.
The disturbing thing is that he grouped them all together!
Dogs are animals, if he trapped a racoon and kept it as a pet would it still be a crime?  What about an oppossum? What about a rat? What about a toad? What about a grasshopper? Where do we draw the line?




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Quote from: Devon97 on Today at 10:44:35 AM
You are correct, in that Max Rep did NOT say that it was worse to neglect a dog that a child.
The disturbing thing is that he grouped them all together!
Dogs are animals, if he trapped a racoon and kept it as a pet would it still be a crime?  What about an oppossum? What about a rat? What about a toad? What about a grasshopper? Where do we draw the line?


What the hell are you talking about? Trapping a racoon and keeping it as a pet is not the same as abusing an inocent animal to death. The line is drawn at people who take animals who did nothing to them and torture them to death. This is expecially shitty if the person does it to his own pet.

So what he grouped  abusing people and animals together? He did that because there is no excuse to abuse or torture any living thing, for no reason. He never said he should be in jail. He never said Artest should be killed for torturing an animal. He said there was no excuse, which there isn't. Fyi , people who kill and torture puppys, and all that sick shit. More often then not move on to people. Stop trying to rationalize animal cruelty with incoharent babble. The guy said there was no excuse. You think killing puppys for fun is ok, since they are not humans?

Oh brother I can already tell debating you is going to be an experience.




The debate was never about which was "worse".

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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2007, 11:06:25 AM »
Exactly,  It ALWAYS amazes me how people think animals are their EQUAL!

Actually on a biological and evolutionary scale, animals ARE equal.

You are nothing more than a mammal yourself.

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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2007, 11:07:26 AM »
Body88: You think its ok to torture animals!!

Devon97: I think its wrong to TORTURE animals but not nearly as bad as doing it to a human.

If I had a choice of a dog be tortured and killed over that of an innocent human being tortured and killed I would choose the dog every time.

I would choose the person. 

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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2007, 11:09:52 AM »
You people are silly.

I mean really, which would get you more angry?

A bomb going off in a Baghdad market killing hundreds of people(animals), or a bomb going off in a Humane Society full of Dogs,Cats and other animals?

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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2007, 11:19:04 AM »
So you think animal neglect is just as bad as Child or spousal neglect?

That's not what I said. Don't put words in my typing fingers.

The FBI has factual statistics that show the link between animal abuse and human violence. Many serial child and spousal abusers had a history of abusing animals which is why I made the point and the correlation. They do not respect life at any level.  

Do the search and get the facts yourself. Here is one report.  http://www.21stcenturycares.org/links.htm  Search on “animal abuse and human violence”. I once found the actual FBI reference but I can’t find it right now.
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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2007, 03:12:59 PM »
Must be an NBA thing. The Nets Jayson Williams, yes the Jayson Williams who killed Gus Chrisolfi shot and killed his Rottie with a shotgun for shits and giggles
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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2007, 06:47:41 PM »
That's not what I said. Don't put words in my typing fingers.

The FBI has factual statistics that show the link between animal abuse and human violence. Many serial child and spousal abusers had a history of abusing animals which is why I made the point and the correlation. They do not respect life at any level.  

Do the search and get the facts yourself. Here is one report.  http://www.21stcenturycares.org/links.htm  Search on “animal abuse and human violence”. I once found the actual FBI reference but I can’t find it right now.


Yea but forgetting to feed a dog is not abuse, it is neglect.  Forgetting to fill up the dogs bowl with water does not link that to human violence at all.

Face it Max Rep. you would rather a stranger die then your own dog, am I wrong>?

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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2007, 07:06:08 PM »
Yea but forgetting to feed a dog is not abuse, it is neglect.  Forgetting to fill up the dogs bowl with water does not link that to human violence at all.

Face it Max Rep. you would rather a stranger die then your own dog, am I wrong>?

Animal neglect is not far off from animal abuse, go a month without eating and come back here and tell us your not hurting.

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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2007, 07:11:09 PM »
Animal neglect is not far off from animal abuse, go a month without eating and come back here and tell us your not hurting.


Don't even bother, Devon is either a gimmick, or border line autistic.

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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2007, 07:12:50 PM »

Don't even bother, Devon is either a gimmick, or border line autistic.

Yeah just saw on the news autism is actually really high 1 in 250 according to new reports.

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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2007, 06:42:13 AM »

It’s about having power over another living thing. Its just like rape. This man is a sociopath and I worry about anyone that will come into contact with him. He has severe problems with empathy, and that is dangerous. The connection between animal cruelty and human violence cannot be ignored.

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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2007, 06:57:59 AM »
I have been involved in animal rights since the 80's, and I can tell you there will always exist a certain percentage of the population that has never developed sensitivity to animal suffereing (broadstreetbruiser, Devlon7). There is not much you can do. Whether or not a person is sensitive to animal suffering is a good indication of what kind of man he will become.

Children develope empathy for others starting at age 7-10 starting with animals. Some kids dont get it though and commit cruelity to animals. Many of these kids will grow up to be sociopaths.

Mental health professionals and law enforcement officials consider cruelty to animals as an indicator of a child’s behavior as an adult. Studies have reported that 36 percent of murderers interviewed by federal law enforcement say they abused animals as youngsters.

Mahatma Gandhi said you could judge the evolution of a society (and its men) by the way it treats its animals.

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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2007, 07:00:30 AM »
How did I know before even clicking on this thread that there would be at least 5 body88 posts with one being upwards of 25,000 words.  ::)

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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2007, 07:13:39 AM »
I would not harm an animal for the fuck of it, but I wouldn't say that it bothers me if they are neglected.  I'm just not a big animal person.

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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2007, 07:21:56 AM »
  Do I equate the abuse of animals to child abuse.  Absolutely, and without a dought. Now, the question is how to prosecute the animal versues child situation.

  This is where is gets difficult without a question.  A person who violates a child goes to prison for a minimum of 25 years.  Hitting a child, and or other forms of neglect, the child is taken away, and the abuser goes to prison for at least 2 years.

  If someone partakes in a sexual act with an animal, should he or she go to jail.  Would place them in prison for a year, with possible early release.  The reason is that the child has more issues obviously than a dog, or whatever animal after some freak abuses the child sexually.

    Sounds as if I'm contridicting myself, but am trying to be realistic towards the situation.  Trust me on this one, if any of you own an animal, and you know how attached you get to them, would you want a person who harmed them in anyway prosecuted to the fullest?  Again, adding COMMON SENSE to the situation.  

  
  

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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2007, 07:23:52 AM »
Body88: You think its ok to torture animals!!

Devon97: I think its wrong to TORTURE animals but not nearly as bad as doing it to a human.

If I had a choice of a dog be tortured and killed over that of an innocent human being tortured and killed I would choose the dog every time.
i think the opposite, 99.999999 percent of ADULT human beings do something to instigate the violence commited against them, children and animals are innocent, that's why these savages who hurt kids and animals should be tortured to death, plain and simple.

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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2007, 07:26:00 AM »
Take his dog away and throw the book at him.  Fine, Jail or whatever.  No excuses.  owning a pet carries responsibilities and Ron Artest broke laws, not to mention being a shit head for leaving a dog alone to starve.
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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2007, 07:27:14 AM »
Take his dog away and throw the book at him.  Fine, Jail or whatever.  No excuses.  owning a pet carries responsibilities and Ron Artest broke laws, not to mention being a shit head for leaving a dog alone to starve.
give him 100 lashes with a horsewhip, this won't kill him but it will teach him a lesson that he'll never forget.

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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2007, 08:06:25 AM »
give him 100 lashes with a horsewhip, this won't kill him but it will teach him a lesson that he'll never forget.

yes and have and done with a big muscly gay guy dressed in a leather S&M outfit. hahahahaha, that will humilate him, show him what a big man he really is for hurting a dog, hahahahahah

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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2007, 08:08:13 AM »
yes and have and done with a big muscly gay guy dressed in a leather S&M outfit. hahahahaha, that will humilate him, show him what a big man he really is for hurting a dog, hahahahahah
hahahahaha, all kidding aside i think this type of punishment works, you don't die, you eventually recover from your wounds but the emotional and psychological terror it inflicts will leave you scared to do it again.

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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2007, 08:12:21 AM »
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Re: NBA's Ron Artest animal cruelty
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2007, 08:57:47 AM »
Animal neglect is not far off from animal abuse, go a month without eating and come back here and tell us your not hurting.

I bet you are one of these people that thinks people who OVERFEED their pets is a form of abuse too??? lol