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ARE BCAA'S ESSENTIAL OR CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM????
« on: February 11, 2007, 04:12:11 AM »
I don't know whether bcaa's are worth getting.

is it essential or will i get significant gains with them?

i really dont want to spend any more money on supplements i already have l-carnitine, protien powder, fish oil, multivitamin/minerals and eating alot of great clean food. (my aim is fat loss but also to build some solid strength and muscle...im not rushing the fat loss i want to keep my muscle and even gain some)

but sometimes the literature on bcaa's sounds so good i want to buy them....i am unsure. please help.
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Re: ARE BCAA'S ESSENTIAL OR CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM????
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2007, 04:29:50 AM »
I don't know whether bcaa's are worth getting.

is it essential or will i get significant gains with them?

i really dont want to spend any more money on supplements i already have l-carnitine, protien powder, fish oil, multivitamin/minerals and eating alot of great clean food. (my aim is fat loss but also to build some solid strength and muscle...im not rushing the fat loss i want to keep my muscle and even gain some)

but sometimes the literature on bcaa's sounds so good i want to buy them....i am unsure. please help.


Lose the multivitamin and carnitine. carnitine only helps on no carb diets. better switch to green tea.

BCAA are a very good supplement. Just make sure more Leucine is contained than Valine and Isoleucine.

Best ratio would be per 100g:

- 50g Leucin
- 25g Isoleucin
- 25g Valin


Taken before cardio, BCAA help with fatloss, too.

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Re: ARE BCAA'S ESSENTIAL OR CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM????
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2007, 05:03:17 AM »
thanks man.

thats the advice i needed!  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Re: ARE BCAA'S ESSENTIAL OR CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM????
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2007, 05:06:14 AM »
thanks man.

thats the advice i needed!  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

You're welcome.

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Re: ARE BCAA'S ESSENTIAL OR CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM????
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2007, 05:26:33 AM »
by the way,

i finally woke up.... it is so much cheaper to just buy green tea tablets and just use normal instant coffee for the caffiene....and viola u dont need hydroxycut.

in regards to the aspirin....do i take that too or just leave it out? if so how many per day/how much?
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Re: ARE BCAA'S ESSENTIAL OR CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM????
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2007, 05:31:32 AM »
by the way,

i finally woke up.... it is so much cheaper to just buy green tea tablets and just use normal instant coffee for the caffiene....and viola u dont need hydroxycut.

in regards to the aspirin....do i take that too or just leave it out? if so how many per day/how much?

Be careful on the aspirin. I would say take it only when you fell that your blood pressure goes up. try small doses and work yourself up if it doesn't help.

Do not take it over longer periods of time because it's hard on the stomach.

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Re: ARE BCAA'S ESSENTIAL OR CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM????
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2007, 05:35:12 AM »
ok cool.

how would u cycle that combo (weeks on and off) and i think i might give the aspirin a miss...dont wanna fuk around with that stuff.

(also thanks...sorry if im dragging this out too much)
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Re: ARE BCAA'S ESSENTIAL OR CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM????
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2007, 05:45:18 AM »
ok cool.

how would u cycle that combo (weeks on and off) and i think i might give the aspirin a miss...dont wanna f**k around with that stuff.

(also thanks...sorry if im dragging this out too much)

No problem, that's what the board is there for.

Well, personally i don't like to be on stimulants over a loger period because

A. i get nervous
B. i adopt very fast

and so the advantages vanish. Depending on how good you diet is, it is very cheap and effective to use stimulants like green tea and caffeine to boost your metabolism for a week and then get off, eat clean and healthy for a week and then boost again.
I have good resutls with that.

If you tend to get tires all the time and can stand caffeine very good, you can use the combo green tea and caffeine over a long period, several weeks. the problem is you will need higher and higher doses but you will not burn more fat.

Third possible method, if you are on a very low calorie diet, is to take it before workout to boost your energy. This way you will be able to perform better and thus burn more calories.

4th possibily is to only take it on non workout days, when you are sitting in the office all day and not move very much. This way you will burn more calories while doing nothing.

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Re: ARE BCAA'S ESSENTIAL OR CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM????
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2007, 03:29:28 PM »
great advice.

thanks donkeykong.

i think i will go one week on, one week off. but do high doses of caffiene (maybe even go above 600 mg per day!) thermoshred by muscle tech has 900 mg per day fo caffiene which is very high...no wonder why i couldnt sleep some nites.

so i will go 500 mg green tea and 300 mg caffiene (from coffee in water which is about four teaspoon of coffee) twice per day...and maybe if i feel like it i will increase to 450 mg caffiene.

wat do u think?

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Re: ARE BCAA'S ESSENTIAL OR CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM????
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2007, 09:11:23 PM »

Lose the multivitamin

I disagree.

I think EVERYONE should be on a multi.
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2007, 09:16:11 PM »

I disagree.

I think EVERYONE should be on a multi.


I am with you Princess L.. Multi should be part of everyones supps.

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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2007, 01:03:56 AM »
I am with you Princess L.. Multi should be part of everyones supps.

I think you're better off having vegetables and fruit.  All the minerals and vitamins in the multi's interfere with each other for absorption and you just end up peeing away money!
It hasn't helped...

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Re: ARE BCAA'S ESSENTIAL OR CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM????
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2007, 02:21:13 AM »
I think you're better off having vegetables and fruit.  All the minerals and vitamins in the multi's interfere with each other for absorption and you just end up peeing away money!

Thanks, smaul.

Finally someone got it.

Multis are shit. If you need vitamins, take them apart from each other. Same goes for minerals.

You would have to take a multi with very low dosage 3-4 times a day if you wanted the effects.

Multvitamins are WAAAAAYYY overrated.

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Re: ARE BCAA'S ESSENTIAL OR CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM????
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2007, 02:21:58 AM »
great advice.

thanks donkeykong.

i think i will go one week on, one week off. but do high doses of caffiene (maybe even go above 600 mg per day!) thermoshred by muscle tech has 900 mg per day fo caffiene which is very high...no wonder why i couldnt sleep some nites.

so i will go 500 mg green tea and 300 mg caffiene (from coffee in water which is about four teaspoon of coffee) twice per day...and maybe if i feel like it i will increase to 450 mg caffiene.

wat do u think?



Sounds good.

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Re: ARE BCAA'S ESSENTIAL OR CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM????
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2007, 04:49:48 AM »
cool. thanks again for the help.

i will let everyone know how it goes. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: ARE BCAA'S ESSENTIAL OR CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM????
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2007, 11:07:57 AM »
They're not worthless, but relatively expensive versus the benefits IMO.  I put them in a "use occasionally" category.

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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2007, 11:11:54 AM »
I'd keep the multi and lose the carnitine.

I tried the BCAA's for 3 months but didn't see any real benefits so maybe they just weren't for me.

I would recommend having creatine, glutamine and possibly arginine in there though.

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Re: ARE BCAA'S ESSENTIAL OR CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM????
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2007, 11:21:56 AM »
I can't tell the difference when I'm using multi's or not. So I've come to the conclusion that I won't buy them anymore and save a few bucks.

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Re: ARE BCAA'S ESSENTIAL OR CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM????
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2007, 11:31:04 AM »
I'd keep the multi and lose the carnitine.

I tried the BCAA's for 3 months but didn't see any real benefits so maybe they just weren't for me.

I would recommend having creatine, glutamine and possibly arginine in there though.

as i said before, with BCAA the ratio is very important.

it should be (per 100g)

50g leucine
25 isoleucine
25g valine

I can't tell the difference when I'm using multi's or not. So I've come to the conclusion that I won't buy them anymore and save a few bucks.

Yes, a multi is not necessary.

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Re: ARE BCAA'S ESSENTIAL OR CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM????
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2007, 11:34:07 AM »
as i said before, with BCAA the ratio is very important.

it should be (per 100g)

50g leucine
25 isoleucine
25g valine

I had Reflex ones:
250mg leucine
125mg isoleucine
125mg valine
0.2mg Vit B6

but I didn't relly feel any different while I was taking them.  I've still got 400 tabs left, so I don't really know whether to use them or not?

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Re: ARE BCAA'S ESSENTIAL OR CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM????
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2007, 11:41:57 AM »
I had Reflex ones:
250mg leucine
125mg isoleucine
125mg valine
0.2mg Vit B6

but I didn't relly feel any different while I was taking them.  I've still got 400 tabs left, so I don't really know whether to use them or not?
Sure, why not? throw them away instead?

take them after workout WITH other amino acids, never alone. then 30mins after that a protein shake.

BCAA are great for regeneration.

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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2007, 11:54:53 AM »
Sure, why not? throw them away instead?

I've been trying to flog them on eBay!  As well as some horrendous vanilla weight gain I got.

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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2007, 11:58:33 AM »
I've been trying to flog them on eBay!  As well as some horrendous vanilla weight gain I got.

just down them after training.

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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2007, 12:10:14 PM »
I'm off to the gym now, so I'll give them a go.

How many would you recommend taking?

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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2007, 12:11:41 PM »
I'm off to the gym now, so I'll give them a go.

How many would you recommend taking?

about 5-7 grams with other amino acids or with a protein shake.