how come no one claims Dems lied about WMD?

[OzmO]

no disrespect taken, we obviously have different views.
and yes, i think arabs, radical muslims and islamic nuts are more of a threat because we have been attacked by them.  have you forgotten?  i think you have.  unless you don't even live in U.S.A.  which, if you didn't, would make me ignorant for debating someone about this countries security.

you honestly think NK has a strong military.  oh my god who's the ignorant sheep now?  and you say i don't do research.  my god your stupid.
those people are forced to be in military there.  they have about as much will to fight as these passifists liberals in this country. besides, we have more fire power on one carrier than they have in the whole country,  they would surrender in 2 days, max.

with the news today, can you not see that all KIM wants is aid and attention? 
open your eyes.  get your info from other places than comedy central.  and 240

My point is that a war with NK would result in far more casualties than what happen in Iraq.  by about 10 times.  Becuase there NK is no push over and terrain in Korea isn't a flat dessert that gives us a major advantage with our technology. 

Don;t get me woring we would win.  But it would cost us.

[mightymouse72]

and if that jack ass has nukes the only way we will be able to anything is nuke them. 

this comment coming from someone who doesn't want to face the ones who are actually attacking us and currently killing our soliders.

Redd Foxx said it best...."you big dummy."

[militarymuscle69]

Well, if you can judge the fighting ability of one million starving, desperate and dug-in koreans fighting in their own turf BY ONE LITTLE SHACK, I applaud you.

Me?  I look at the fact they have a defensive position requiring a 10-to-1 invader ratio in order to ensure victory.  So unless you have ten million Americans to walk into N Korea, or Clausewitz is wrong...

I seem to remember all the talk about Iraq's army back in 1991. What you forget (and easy for a non-proud american to do) is that we don't need to fight mano a mano. We are the best, numbers have no effect on our military because of the sheer power we posses. Remember the Iraqui's surrendering at the meer sight of a B-52? I do, it would take all of a few nights of continous bombing to halt the NK attack. And the other asinine argument of them killing all the pilots at Osan/Kunsan. Maybe they dont' realize that we have several PACAF bases (japan x3, Hawaii, Guam) where the jets can launch from and arrive in mere hours.

[240 is Back]

you honestly think NK has a strong military.  oh my god who's the ignorant sheep now?

Uhhh, the US State Department?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea#Military

According to the US State Department,[15] North Korea has the fourth-largest military in the world, with the largest percentage of citizens enlisted (49.03 active troops per thousand citizens). The North has an estimated 1.08 million armed personnel, compared with about 686,000 South Korean troops (and 3.5 million paramilitary forces). Annual military spending is about $5 billion USD.[16] There is a fairly efficient, albeit technologically obsolete, weapons and munitions industry[citation needed]. North Korea has perhaps the world's second-largest special operations force (roughly 110,000), designed for insertion and sabotage behind enemy lines in wartime




PS...  I am embarassed for you.

[240 is Back]

I seem to remember all the talk about Iraq's army back in 1991. What you forget (and easy for a non-proud american to do) is that we don't need to fight mano a mano. We are the best, numbers have no effect on our military because of the sheer power we posses. Remember the Iraqui's surrendering at the meer sight of a B-52? I do, it would take all of a few nights of continous bombing to halt the NK attack. And the other asinine argument of them killing all the pilots at Osan/Kunsan. Maybe they dont' realize that we have several PACAF bases (japan x3, Hawaii, Guam) where the jets can launch from and arrive in mere hours.

Yeah, we're the best.  Which is why 5,000 jihadists in Baghdad and 2,000 in sadr city are crippling our 130,000 man force.

continuous bombing?  Shit, we've bombed anything we've wanted for 4 years and they're gettings stronger.

[militarymuscle69]

My father is a full colonel who has traveled to SK many many times, did a extented tour there for a year......

Of you are safer there,  SK isn't war, the bronx is...lol

ANY MORE QUESTIONS?

Good for Daddy, WHEN WERE YOU THERE??

[militarymuscle69]

Yeah, we're the best.  Which is why 5,000 jihadists in Baghdad and 2,000 in sadr city are crippling our 130,000 man force.

continuous bombing?  Shit, we've bombed anything we've wanted for 4 years and they're gettings stronger.

Crippling? what the hell are you talking about? Remove the PC restirctions and we won't have any problems. You libs place so many restrictions on the military

[240 is Back]

Crippling? what the hell are you talking about? Remove the PC restirctions and we won't have any problems. You libs place so many restrictions on the military

Oh, so you killed 150k to 600k while playing nice?  HAHAHA good thing you weren't trigger happy!

Also that bullshit line is getting old.  if you can't carpet bomb cities, you can't win.

Sounds like you're pissy that the generals have you in a holding pattern - stall don't win - and you have yet to accept it.

[OzmO]

Good for Daddy, WHEN WERE YOU THERE??

Yeah, and my DAD and i never talk, and his opinion about NK based actual experience and information doesn't count?

Because all you can do is ask when i was there?

Common dude.  You can do better than that.

[militarymuscle69]

Yeah, and my DAD and i never talk, and his opinion about NK based actual experience and information doesn't count?

Because all you can do is ask when i was there?

Common dude.  You can do better than that.

No I'm glad your dad was there, my dad was too. But what makes his "NK based actual experience" any more relevabt than mine? I'm betting he didn't step foot into NK, neither did I. But I bet he doesn't actually think NK is that formidable

[OzmO]

No I'm glad your dad was there, my dad was too. But what makes his "NK based actual experience" any more relevabt than mine? I'm betting he didn't step foot into NK, neither did I. But I bet he doesn't actually think NK is that formidable

I had your opinion for a while.  Mainly becuase of what we did to Saddam in 1991 and in 2003.  But he explained to me why a war with NK would result in thousands of deaths and would be far more difficult to fight due tot he terrain, and the NK soldiers and the nature of the war that would be fought there.

Point is:  They CAN shoot back.  The arabs can't.

[militarymuscle69]

I had your opinion for a while.  Mainly becuase of what we did to Saddam in 1991 and in 2003.  But he explained to me why a war with NK would result in thousands of deaths and would be far more difficult to fight due tot he terrain, and the NK soldiers and the nature of the war that would be fought there.

Point is:  They CAN shoot back.  The arabs can't.

I never said it would be a cake walk but the "will" of the people is often overestimated. They could get a good push but like I said in the face of constant bombing it wouldn't take long to put a halt to the charge

[OzmO]

I never said it would be a cake walk but the "will" of the people is often overestimated. They could get a good push but like I said in the face of constant bombing it wouldn't take long to put a halt to the charge

We would gain air supremecy quickly, but in the mean time thousands would die.   That's a much  different situtation then iraq.  For us to dislodge them from NK would be nightmare in comparison to iraq.  That's what i'm talking about here.  No f-ing way we would lose on a few hundred, we would lose thousands in the process.  Those guys would be dug in well in those mountains, which contain a maze of fortified bunkers, bases, tunnells, etc...   Our technology would only get us so far, at that point it will be man vs man, and yes we would win eventually.

[militarymuscle69]

We would gain air supremecy quickly, but in the mean time thousands would die.   That's a much  different situtation then iraq.  For us to dislodge them from NK would be nightmare in comparison to iraq.  That's what i'm talking about here.  No f-ing way we would lose on a few hundred, we would lose thousands in the process.  Those guys would be dug in well in those mountains, which contain a maze of fortified bunkers, bases, tunnells, etc...   Our technology would only get us so far, at that point it will be man vs man, and yes we would win eventually.

The only problem with your scenario is you have us fighting in NK, Unless they come to SK this wouldn't be an issue. There are mountains in SK but not the tunnels and what not

[OzmO]

The only problem with your scenario is you have us fighting in NK, Unless they come to SK this wouldn't be an issue. There are mountains in SK but not the tunnels and what not

Ok,  here's what i'm suggesting:   NK becomes a threat, frankly i believe NK is far more a threat than Saddam ever was, but in their failing economy, NK startsd selling their chem weapons and god forbid, their nukes....

Now what?


Same reasoning some say we went to war with iraq...right?

[240 is Back]

The only problem with your scenario is you have us fighting in NK, Unless they come to SK this wouldn't be an issue. There are mountains in SK but not the tunnels and what not

oh, we're going to win without putting boots on the ground?

You should talk to the guys who plan iraq and afghanistan.  they didn't get that memo

[240 is Back]

Ok,  here's what i'm suggesting:   NK becomes a threat, frankly i believe NK is far more a threat than Saddam ever was, but in their failing economy, NK startsd selling their chem weapons and god forbid, their nukes....

YES!!  Saddam was rich and had a lot to lose.  iran is rich and has a lot to lose.

The scariest SOB in the room is the guy with nothing to lose.  People can't see that.  The poor nation with the option of selling nukes or see a milion starve is going to be a lot more motivated than the nation who could move their bank account from 500 bil to 501 bil, you know?

[Camel Jockey]

North Korea isn't considered a threat, as they have no resources we want. In on the other hand Iran does.

mightymouse, what give us the right to have aircraft carriers off their coast? what gives us the right to invade their neighbor on lies? Of course they're gonna beef up their army, but what they've done is nothing compared to what we've done to them. Of course you're going to ignore US actions of meddling in their affairs, as it would render your arguements invalid.

Why such passion for starting a war with iran and not saudia arabia or pakistan? Countries that trained terrorists and financed the murder of americans. I'll answer for you, just because Bush told you so. 

[mightymouse72]

Oh, so you killed 150k to 600k while playing nice?  HAHAHA good thing you weren't trigger happy!

Also that bullshit line is getting old.  if you can't carpet bomb cities, you can't win.

Sounds like you're pissy that the generals have you in a holding pattern - stall don't win - and you have yet to accept it.

240, you are not an american with these comments. 

you defend these terrorists that kill innocent people time after time and talk s**t about our american military and govt. 
you are complete disgrace, sir.
people like you are the s**t on the bottom of america's shoe.  your views are not that of true americans, you do not stand for anything that our soliders have died for.

isn't it time you made another 9/11 CT thread anyway, that seems to be all your good for.

[Camel Jockey]

240, you are not an american with these comments. 

you defend these terrorists that kill innocent people time after time and talk s**t about our american military and govt. 
you are complete disgrace, sir.
people like you are the s**t on the bottom of america's shoe.  your views are not that of true americans, you do not stand for anything that our soliders have died for.

isn't it time you made another 9/11 CT thread anyway, that seems to be all your good for.

metldown! Who the hell are you judge who's American or not? Just because he speaks out against the government and its policies doesn't mean he's a defender of terrorists or that he hates the the armed forces.

Actually, the view of true american = right to free speech. 240 is honoring the fallen by speaking out and voicing his opinion, whether you like it or not.

[militarymuscle69]

oh, we're going to win without putting boots on the ground?

You should talk to the guys who plan iraq and afghanistan.  they didn't get that memo

240 you know me, I would support removing Kim Jong Il. If you have ever been to the area and looked across the river to see how desolate the NKs have it you can't help but feel bad for those people. The SKs I worked with love americans and are so thankful 50 yrs later that we released them from the hold of the NKs. Out of compassion I would love to see a unified Korea. I would support boots on the ground but don't think it would be as bad as some think. I think we could EASILY win the pshycological war with the NK army. Yes there would be the Kim Jong Il loyalists but I bet not as many as thought. Right now everyone seems to be a loyalist because what do you think would happen if they spoke against him. Once they saw we would show compassion for the ones that surrender but bomb the hell out of the others it wouldn't take long.

[militarymuscle69]

metldown! Who the hell are you judge who's American or not? Just because he speaks out against the government and its policies doesn't mean he's a defender of terrorists or that he hates the the armed forces.

Actually, the view of true american = right to free speech. 240 is honoring the fallen by speaking out and voicing his opinion, whether you like it or not.

I'll make it simple. America is the biggest kid in the playground, and until someone bigger comes along the world will have to deal with us. That is why we have ships off of their coast, because who is going to stop us? Don't pull that free speach bullshit. If you don't like America leave, I heard the canadians are looking for more.

[240 is Back]

240, you are not an american with these comments. 

You're an American soldier speaking to a civilian in this manner - yeah, I think anyone looking in realizes which one of us is embarassing the country.

you defend these terrorists that kill innocent people time after time and talk s**t about our american military and govt.  
you are complete disgrace, sir.
people like you are the s**t on the bottom of america's shoe.  your views are not that of true americans, you do not stand for anything that our soliders have died for.

I don't defend terrorists - I would gun them down as fast as you would.  

I do, however, believe you are a damn pawn in a global game of "spend lots of money on a dragged out war while we grab their resources.

And you know what?  that meltdown you just demonstrated shows you're starting to believe it too.  Now, go do your job.  

[240 is Back]

If I was "anti"-troop, I wouldn't continually be saying we should move out of baghdad and let the iraqis do the dirty work while we protect the bases/oil.

ANti-troop people, IMO, are the ones who want them to risk their lives when they don't have to.  Heck, a 15% increase of men each year for 5 years?  That's a holding pattern with adjustment for inflationary rise in insurgents, anyone can see that.  Cept you.

[Dos Equis]

240, you are not an american with these comments. 

you defend these terrorists that kill innocent people time after time and talk s**t about our american military and govt. 
you are complete disgrace, sir.
people like you are the s**t on the bottom of america's shoe.  your views are not that of true americans, you do not stand for anything that our soliders have died for.

isn't it time you made another 9/11 CT thread anyway, that seems to be all your good for.

I gotta agree with you man.  Sad.