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no-xplode and arginine - someone help me break this down!
« on: February 13, 2007, 11:21:56 PM »
hey fellas,

alot of people are saying that noxplode is just abit of caffiene stacked with a touch of protien and arginine ethyl ester.

if thats the case im better off just buying the arginine ethyl esters in bulk, adding some cellmass and caffiene and viola...no need for no-xplode...

also wats interesting is that they dont list the amount of arginine (or arginie ethyl ester) and creatine they use per serve...this is annoying

anyone else got an opinion on this????? how much arginine ethyl ester and creatine should i take pre-work out
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Re: no-xplode and arginine - someone help me break this down!
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2007, 06:01:55 AM »
hey fellas,

alot of people are saying that noxplode is just abit of caffiene stacked with a touch of protien and arginine ethyl ester.

if thats the case im better off just buying the arginine ethyl esters in bulk, adding some cellmass and caffiene and viola...no need for no-xplode...

also wats interesting is that they dont list the amount of arginine (or arginie ethyl ester) and creatine they use per serve...this is annoying

anyone else got an opinion on this????? how much arginine ethyl ester and creatine should i take pre-work out

3g

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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2007, 01:20:53 PM »
is that all? lol

so i will have 3 g arginine ethyl ester, 200 mg caffiene (as my boost), and how much creatine?

(u know alot about supplementation)

ps- my ingredients for the thermo stack arrive today!
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Re: no-xplode and arginine - someone help me break this down!
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2007, 06:13:38 PM »
Arginine and caffine together though?
Anyone know the word on this?

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Re: no-xplode and arginine - someone help me break this down!
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2007, 11:02:58 PM »
Arginine and caffine together though?
Anyone know the word on this?

yeah no-xplode is meant to be a pre-workout boost combined with arginine to give u a good pump in the muscles with some creatine too.

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Re: no-xplode and arginine - someone help me break this down!
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2007, 01:03:24 AM »
Arginine and caffine together though?
Anyone know the word on this?

It's ok, but personally i would not take them together. Caffeine makes you piss, and it takes everything with it, haha.

If you drink coffee throughout the day, it's not that of a problem, but i would definetly drink more water for the creatine and arginine to work properly.

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Re: no-xplode and arginine - someone help me break this down!
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2007, 05:43:43 AM »
so how would u personally make ur pre-workout stack with arginine and creatine (ratios and measurements)

i have caffiene pumping thru my system all day cos of my thermogenic supps....and i piss like a race horse lol cos i drink alot and maybe the caffiene too
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Re: no-xplode and arginine - someone help me break this down!
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2007, 05:56:36 AM »
so how would u personally make ur pre-workout stack with arginine and creatine (ratios and measurements)

i have caffiene pumping thru my system all day cos of my thermogenic supps....and i piss like a race horse lol cos i drink alot and maybe the caffiene too

I already said it.

3g

3g arginine, 3g creatine.

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Re: no-xplode and arginine - someone help me break this down!
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2007, 02:54:17 PM »
JUST DOUBLE CHECKING  ;) ;) ;)

i might do 5 grams of arginine just to be safe and get more veins showing (i hope)

also do i need to cycle off the arginine (3 months on, 1 month on) or is that only for creatine.

thanks again. ps - i start the thermo stack we made tomrow ;D ;D ;D
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Re: no-xplode and arginine - someone help me break this down!
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2007, 03:01:11 PM »
JUST DOUBLE CHECKING  ;) ;) ;)

i might do 5 grams of arginine just to be safe and get more veins showing (i hope)

also do i need to cycle off the arginine (3 months on, 1 month on) or is that only for creatine.

thanks again. ps - i start the thermo stack we made tomrow ;D ;D ;D

i would always get off, no materr what, from time to time.

3 month is too long for creatine. 2 months on, 1 off.

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Re: no-xplode and arginine - someone help me break this down!
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2007, 03:56:12 AM »
i would always get off, no materr what, from time to time.

3 month is too long for creatine. 2 months on, 1 off.

Cycle creatine?  I've never heard that before.  Does anyone else agree with that?  I'm not saying you're wrong bro cuse you seem to know your shit, I've just never heard of anyone cycling creatine.

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Re: no-xplode and arginine - someone help me break this down!
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2007, 04:44:22 AM »
Cycle creatine?  I've never heard that before.  Does anyone else agree with that?  I'm not saying you're wrong bro cuse you seem to know your shit, I've just never heard of anyone cycling creatine.

http://icbxw.ethz.ch/creatine/creatine_supplementation.html#English


 Down-regulation of the creatine transporter after chronic creatine ingestion:

The creatine transporter (CreaT), responsible for the uptake of creatine into a variety of tissues and cells, was detected in rat skeletal and cardiac muscle, cerebellum, forebrain and kidney. Two polypeptides with an apparent Mr of 70 kDa and 55 kDa were always recognized by both of our specific polyclonal antibodies directed against synthetic peptides of either the NH2- or the COOH-terminus of CreaT, indicating a high degree of homology between the two proteins [51]. In contrast to published data obtained by Northern blot analysis, suggesting a complete absence of CreaT mRNA message in liver, we could clearly detect both CreaT polypeptides also in rat liver and hepatocyte lysates. In support of this, cultured hepatocytes show an endogenous CreaT activity which is antagonized by the creatine analogue, b-guanidino propionic acid (b-GPA), a well known inhibitor of CreaT. Glyco-staining of CreaT, enriched by immuno-affinity chromatography, mainly containing both the 70 and 55 kDa bands, showed strong glycosylation of preferentially the upper 70 kDa polypeptide indicating that the latter is a posttranslationally modified form of the 55 kDa core protein. HeLa cells transfected with rat CreaT cDNA showed an increase in [14C]-creatine uptake, when compared to control cells, that was antagonized by b-GPA. In parallel, an increase in the expression of both the 70 and the 55 kDa polypeptides over endogenous CreaT of controls was noticed on Western blots. Furthermore, we have found that chronic creatine supplementation of rats, at very high dosage, down-regulates in vivo the expression and/or accumulation of the CreaT in skeletal muscle, but not in brain and heart [58]. Although the amounts of creatine taken by athletes, 20 grams / day during a 10 days loading phase and 5 grams as a maintenance dose during the following three months (amounting to approximately 0.1 gram of Cr /kg body weight/ day), is significantly lower than the amounts given in the above experiments to the rats (approximately 0.5 grams /kg body weight /day), the finding made with laboratory animals nevertheless may have consequences with respect to creatine supplementation schedules for humans. In the future, however, detailed studies on humans are needed to optimize the creatine supplementation schedules in use with respect to the observed down-regulation of CreaT expression and/or accumulation in animal experiments. According to most recent results, using "normal" Cr supplementation schedules with humans, CreaT seems also to be down-regulated, especially in combination with exercise (Greenhaff et al. unpublished), but, over the time course of this human trial, creatine transporter function did not seem to become a limiting factor for maintaining normal intracellular creatine levels. Nevertheless, as suggested earlier [86], a one month pause, after three months of continuous creatine supplementation, would still seem to be a reasonable thing to do.
With respect to cardiac pathology, a down-regulation of creatine transporter protein expression has recently been shown in experimental animal models of heart disease, as well as in failing human myocardium [91], indicating that the generally lowered PCr and Cr levels measured in failing hearts are related to down-regulated creatine transporter capacity. Thus, creatine supplementation, by improving cellular energetics, may also turn out to be beneficial for certain heart diseases.

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Re: no-xplode and arginine - someone help me break this down!
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2007, 04:56:36 AM »
http://icbxw.ethz.ch/creatine/creatine_supplementation.html#English


 Down-regulation of the creatine transporter after chronic creatine ingestion:

The creatine transporter (CreaT), responsible for the uptake of creatine into a variety of tissues and cells, was detected in rat skeletal and cardiac muscle, cerebellum, forebrain and kidney. Two polypeptides with an apparent Mr of 70 kDa and 55 kDa were always recognized by both of our specific polyclonal antibodies directed against synthetic peptides of either the NH2- or the COOH-terminus of CreaT, indicating a high degree of homology between the two proteins [51]. In contrast to published data obtained by Northern blot analysis, suggesting a complete absence of CreaT mRNA message in liver, we could clearly detect both CreaT polypeptides also in rat liver and hepatocyte lysates. In support of this, cultured hepatocytes show an endogenous CreaT activity which is antagonized by the creatine analogue, b-guanidino propionic acid (b-GPA), a well known inhibitor of CreaT. Glyco-staining of CreaT, enriched by immuno-affinity chromatography, mainly containing both the 70 and 55 kDa bands, showed strong glycosylation of preferentially the upper 70 kDa polypeptide indicating that the latter is a posttranslationally modified form of the 55 kDa core protein. HeLa cells transfected with rat CreaT cDNA showed an increase in [14C]-creatine uptake, when compared to control cells, that was antagonized by b-GPA. In parallel, an increase in the expression of both the 70 and the 55 kDa polypeptides over endogenous CreaT of controls was noticed on Western blots. Furthermore, we have found that chronic creatine supplementation of rats, at very high dosage, down-regulates in vivo the expression and/or accumulation of the CreaT in skeletal muscle, but not in brain and heart [58]. Although the amounts of creatine taken by athletes, 20 grams / day during a 10 days loading phase and 5 grams as a maintenance dose during the following three months (amounting to approximately 0.1 gram of Cr /kg body weight/ day), is significantly lower than the amounts given in the above experiments to the rats (approximately 0.5 grams /kg body weight /day), the finding made with laboratory animals nevertheless may have consequences with respect to creatine supplementation schedules for humans. In the future, however, detailed studies on humans are needed to optimize the creatine supplementation schedules in use with respect to the observed down-regulation of CreaT expression and/or accumulation in animal experiments. According to most recent results, using "normal" Cr supplementation schedules with humans, CreaT seems also to be down-regulated, especially in combination with exercise (Greenhaff et al. unpublished), but, over the time course of this human trial, creatine transporter function did not seem to become a limiting factor for maintaining normal intracellular creatine levels. Nevertheless, as suggested earlier [86], a one month pause, after three months of continuous creatine supplementation, would still seem to be a reasonable thing to do.
With respect to cardiac pathology, a down-regulation of creatine transporter protein expression has recently been shown in experimental animal models of heart disease, as well as in failing human myocardium [91], indicating that the generally lowered PCr and Cr levels measured in failing hearts are related to down-regulated creatine transporter capacity. Thus, creatine supplementation, by improving cellular energetics, may also turn out to be beneficial for certain heart diseases.

interesting article. thanks.

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Re: no-xplode and arginine - someone help me break this down!
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2007, 05:24:03 PM »
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started the thermo stack today check it out i made some adjustments:

serving 1-

synephrine 10 mg
caffiene (from coffee) 280-300 mg
aspirin 300 mg
green tea 257 mg (ecgc)

serving 2-
synephrine- 10 mg
caffiene (pill) -200 mg
aspirin - 300 mg
green tea - 257 mg (ecgc)

serving 3 -

synephrine - 10 mg
caffiene (pill) - 200 mg
grean tea - 257 mg (ecgc)


wat do u think ?????
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Re: no-xplode and arginine - someone help me break this down!
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2007, 02:28:31 AM »
donkey kong is my supplementation advisor!

started the thermo stack today check it out i made some adjustments:

serving 1-

synephrine 10 mg
caffiene (from coffee) 280-300 mg
aspirin 300 mg
green tea 257 mg (ecgc)

serving 2-
synephrine- 10 mg
caffiene (pill) -200 mg
aspirin - 300 mg
green tea - 257 mg (ecgc)

serving 3 -

synephrine - 10 mg
caffiene (pill) - 200 mg
grean tea - 257 mg (ecgc)


wat do u think ?????

If you can sleep at night after this, it's all good!!  ;D ;D

I personally did stacks like this with ephedrine before, but i found out that with just tw0 servings per day i get the same results AND get a good nights sleep, whereas more seems to boost you  more throughout the day but kills your nights.

Try out what works best for you.
My advice would be to only take it two times a day and eventually up the synephrine if you don't feel too much.
But, as i said, that's personal likes or dislikes.

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Re: no-xplode and arginine - someone help me break this down!
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2007, 06:25:43 PM »
cool donkey kong!

my energy is through the roof... if i get bad sleeps i will drop the third serving.

i am loving it..thanks for the advice!
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Re: no-xplode and arginine - someone help me break this down!
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2007, 04:51:45 AM »
cool donkey kong!

my energy is through the roof... if i get bad sleeps i will drop the third serving.

i am loving it..thanks for the advice!

Oh and get L-Tyrosine. 3g on an empty stomach first thing in the morning.
You'll feel much better.

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Re: no-xplode and arginine - someone help me break this down!
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2007, 05:04:20 AM »
ok cool.

also i am thinking of increasing the synephrine to 40 mg per day.

and also i read several sources saying that l-carnitine is bullshit and doesnt work. (would u like the link) im going to stop carnitine.

also my appetite is being suppresed...im not sure whether to eat less at my meals...will decide soon.

ps- can i use normal creatine monohydrate as my preworkout with arginine (to replace no xplode)? or does it have to be creatine ethyl ester to get in the muscles
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Re: no-xplode and arginine - someone help me break this down!
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2007, 05:10:26 AM »
ok cool.

also i am thinking of increasing the synephrine to 40 mg per day.

and also i read several sources saying that l-carnitine is bullshit and doesnt work. (would u like the link) im going to stop carnitine.

also my appetite is being suppresed...im not sure whether to eat less at my meals...will decide soon.

ps- can i use normal creatine monohydrate as my preworkout with arginine (to replace no xplode)? or does it have to be creatine ethyl ester to get in the muscles

Monohydrate is just fine. All other Creatine formulas are just to make money.  ;D ;D

L-Carnitine is BS for fatloss, yet there are studies that it can raise free testosterone at doses about 4-6g before Workout.
If you still have some left, just take 4g before WO.

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Re: no-xplode and arginine - someone help me break this down!
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2007, 03:47:57 PM »
cool man.

i bought some creatined ethlyl ester so i will use that.... and after i finish that i will go back to monohydrate!

i feel like throwing the arginine in the bin LOL bloody bastards lied to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
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