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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #50 on: February 21, 2007, 03:54:05 PM »
The calories burned by consuming protein is minimal.  You would do better to watch TV for a few hours.

Dude, what can I say.... 

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« Reply #51 on: February 21, 2007, 04:03:26 PM »
Your brain may survive.....but its not the H20 thats fueling it.  I was merely pointing out that the brain has the capability of utilizing other sources for energy rather than carbohydrates.

As far as NASA or airline pilots being allowed....thats not true.  I do have patients in my office who are pilots with Southwest, NWA, and United who do follow a low carb approach to eating.  They are not getting 'keto-stripped' every now and then to make sure they are not using ketones for energy.

In any event...just wanted to point that out about the brain.

That is going to change VERY soon a few more studies are being conducted as we speak.  Here is one:

http://www.universityrelations.und.edu/discovery/fall_2003/html/4.html

Exploring how diet affects pilot performance

What pilots eat and how it affects their performance is the subject of unique, collaborative research being conducted by one of the dual-career faculty couples at the University of North Dakota.

The researchers are Paul Lindseth, associate dean for academics at the John D. Odegard School of Aerospace Sciences, and Glenda Lindseth, professor and director of research for the College of Nursing.

Paul, a former pilot and instructor in the U.S. Air Force, is currently a flight instructor at UND. He long has been concerned about the performance level of students as it relates to nutrition habits. Glenda, a registered dietitian and registered nurse, has a special interest in the effects of eating patterns on performance. The two have worked together in a series of four earlier studies on the subject.

The four-year, $621,310 project is funded by the U.S. Army Biomedical Research Command.

The Lindseths say their research could make significant contributions to understanding effects of diet on cognition and performance, thereby helping decrease the number of human factor errors related to diet, nutrition and health.

The study is designed to determine cognition and flight performance scores of pilots receiving a non-manipulated control diet, high-protein diet, high-fat diet, or carbohydrate diet. Researchers analyze for differences in flight performance and cognition scores among groups of pilots on the four diets.

Previous studies have found that both passengers and pilots who ate high-protein or dairy products immediately before flying tended to feel worse. A less conclusive finding is that salty foods figure into air sickness. And there is an indication that higher-carbohydrate foods, such as bread and pasta, along with fruit, are preferable before flights.

Paul Lindseth says airsickness can affect 25 to 30 percent of pilots. He says flying has been around 100 years, but only in the past 25 years has there been a focus on the human element. Yet, eighty percent of accidents result from human error.

Consultants and collaborators in the study are Richard Jensen, director of the Aviation Psychology Laboratory at Ohio State University; Warren Jensen, director of aeromedical research at the Odegard School of Aerospace Sciences at UND; Thomas Petros, professor of psychology at UND; and Gladys Block, professor of public health nutrition at the University of California-Berkeley.

Also involved are undergraduate research assistants from the UND Honors Program and highly talented high school students funded by North Dakota EPSCoR (Experimental Program to Stimulate Competitive Research).

 

UND: A leader in research as well as flight training

As the operator of the one of the largest and most prestigious university-level programs in aviation, the John D. Odegard School of Aerospace Sciences is a natural place to conduct research on pilot performance, says its dean, Bruce Smith.

In recognition of these capabilities, the Federal Aviation Administration has designated the School as one of the nation’s Air Transportation Centers of Excellence for General Aviation.

Affiliated with the School is the UND Aerospace Foundation, which provides a vehicle for developing partnerships with external entities, including private industry and foreign governments. Smith said the Aerospace Foundation first became known for its development of new training methodologies for airline pilots, but it has broadened its research agenda over the years.



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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #52 on: February 21, 2007, 04:20:03 PM »
Adonis, I am a pilot, and the first thing we do, is eat carbs..  Why, don't know, but we do.

Air force Pilots are on so much speed, trust me, look up go pills on the internet.

Special forces take viagra at high elevations.
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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #53 on: February 21, 2007, 04:27:58 PM »
Adonis, please enlighten me on why carbs are essential...
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« Reply #54 on: February 21, 2007, 04:44:32 PM »
Adonis, please enlighten me on why carbs are essential...

Been trying to get him to answer that question and what makes them essential for a week now. I guess he can't copy and paste it, so he won't answer at all....

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« Reply #55 on: February 21, 2007, 04:51:23 PM »
Adonis, please enlighten me on why carbs are essential...

This isn`t an argument of essential vs. nonessential.

No vaccines or medicines are essential.

Does that mean we should not use them either?



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« Reply #56 on: February 21, 2007, 04:52:07 PM »
Such a poor argument.

Ok, lets do this then.

All Medicines are "Non-Essential", so lets stop the whole pharmeceutical production of drugs because they aren`t necessary to live.


How dumb can you really be?   Can you tell me why All Medicine is Non-
Essential?  See how dumb your question is?
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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #57 on: February 21, 2007, 04:53:06 PM »
Are carbohydrates need or not?

Essential if you want to perform optimally.

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« Reply #58 on: February 21, 2007, 05:02:46 PM »
This isn`t an argument of essential vs. nonessential.

No vaccines or medicines are essential.

Does that mean we should not use them either?




yes vaccinations are bad news and much research is linking them to disease from auto-immune to autism(especially). medicines should not be taken, the human body is meant to be healthy, it was meant to stay healthy. there are alterior options to antibiotics without the sides on beneficial bacteria. if your sick you should take medicine, if your not sick absolutely not. side effects, and toxins will weaken the body.

obviously pilots should take carbs, what difference does that make to the discussion?

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« Reply #59 on: February 21, 2007, 05:05:29 PM »
This isn`t an argument of essential vs. nonessential.

No vaccines or medicines are essential.

Does that mean we should not use them either?
Uh, TA, unless I'm missing some esoteric point you are trying to make, or you hold a special meaning for what is defined as 'essential,' I would say that those with Type 1 diabetes would disagree. Smallpox, though not eradicated, has certainly been controlled. I could go on and on. ??? 

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« Reply #60 on: February 21, 2007, 05:13:33 PM »
This isn`t an argument of essential vs. nonessential.

No vaccines or medicines are essential.

Does that mean we should not use them either?




Didn't you say that protein is not essential, but carbs are?  Which is it?
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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #61 on: February 21, 2007, 05:15:55 PM »
This isn`t an argument of essential vs. nonessential.

No vaccines or medicines are essential.

Does that mean we should not use them either?




sorry but:  Worst arguement ever.  Go have a kid and don't get him any vaccines and see how long he lasts, have fun with that.
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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #62 on: February 21, 2007, 05:33:16 PM »
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We asked you first dumbass. You're the one avoiding the question. >:( 
Medicines are not food. You can live without them if you have enough of the essential stuff keeping you healthy. If you don't get sick, because you have the right vitamins and minerals protecting you, then there is no need for medicines. This I know, having been sick once in 10 years. And I still used ZERO medicine to recover from the illness.
So, now, answer Mindspin and my question....

Didn't you say that protein is not essential, but carbs are?  Which is it?

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« Reply #63 on: February 21, 2007, 07:35:19 PM »
Didn't you say that protein is not essential, but carbs are?  Which is it?
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« Reply #64 on: February 21, 2007, 07:36:09 PM »

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« Reply #65 on: February 21, 2007, 07:37:47 PM »
sorry but:  Worst arguement ever.  Go have a kid and don't get him any vaccines and see how long he lasts, have fun with that.
Depends on the region the kid would be from.

Do you think Ben Franklin vaccinated himself? LOLOL

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« Reply #66 on: February 21, 2007, 08:05:01 PM »
flip flop flip flop.....

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« Reply #67 on: February 21, 2007, 08:14:48 PM »
flip flop flip flop.....

I'm guessing True Adonis is a Republican.

Nope.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #68 on: February 21, 2007, 09:00:40 PM »
all the profs I talked to who are into the performance nutrition field all say that most people take in way to much protein.  A gram per lb is apparently way too much.  However this was for athletic performance, not hypertrophy so it could differ. 

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« Reply #69 on: February 21, 2007, 09:10:32 PM »
sorry but:  Worst arguement ever.  Go have a kid and don't get him any vaccines and see how long he lasts, have fun with that.

Actually Al he will last a long time.  For example....polio was on the DECLINE when the polio vaccine came out.  It is actually making a comeback....hmm....lot of good the vaccine is doing.

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« Reply #70 on: February 21, 2007, 09:11:17 PM »
It is actually making a comeback....

Where is your proof of its comeback?

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« Reply #71 on: February 21, 2007, 09:23:12 PM »
Where is your proof of its comeback?

You have the internet available to you...do a search.  Not too difficult is it?

 DOCTORS AND SCIENTISTS CONDEMN VACCINATION

"There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunisation of children does more harm than good."
Dr J Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine Control Officer, US Food
and Drug Administration

"The greatest threat of childhood disease lies in the dangerous and
ineffectual efforts made to prevent them through mass immunisation."
Dr R. Mendelsohn, Author and Professor of Paediatrics (How To Raise A Healthy Child In Spite Of Your Doctor)

"In our opinion, there is now sufficient evidence of immune malfunction following current vaccination programmes to anticipate growing public demands for research investigation into alternative methods of prevention of infectious disease."
Dr's H. Buttram and J. Hoffman (Vaccinations and Immune Malfunctions)

"All vaccination has the effect of directing the three values of the blood
into or toward the zone characteristics of cancer and leukemia...Vaccines DO predispose to cancer and leukaemia."
Professor L.C. Vincent, Founder of Bioelectronics

"Every vaccine carries certain hazards and can produce inward reactions in some people...in general, there are more vaccine complications than is generally appreciated."
Professor George Dick, London University

"Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken in the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection."
Dr A. Sabin, developer of the Oral Polio vaccine (lecture to Italian doctors in Piacenza, Italy, Decemebr 7th 1985)

"In addition to the many obvious cases of mortality from these practises,
there are also long-term hazards which are almost impossible to estimate
accurately...the inherent danger of of all vaccine procedures should be a
deterrent to their unnecessary or unjustifiable use."
Sir Graham Wilson (The Hazards of Immunisation)

"Laying aside the very real possibility that the various vaccines are
contaminated with animal viruses and may cause serious illness later in life (multiple sclerosis, cancer, leukaemia, etc) we must consider whether the vaccines really work for their intended purpose."
Dr W.C. Douglas (Cutting Edge, May 1990)

"The only wholly safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used"
Dr James A. Shannon, National Institute of Health, USA

With reference to Smallpox;

"Vaccination is a monstrosity, a misbegotten offspring of error and
ignorance, it should have no place in either hygiene or medicine...Believe not in vaccination, it is a world-wide delusion, an unscientific practise, a fatal superstition with consequences measured today by tears and sorrow without end."
Professor Chas Rauta, University of Perguia, Italy , (New York Medical Journal July 1899)

"Vaccination does not protect, it actually renders its subjects more
susceptible by depressing vital power and diminishing natural resistance, and millions of people have died of smallpox which they contracted after being vaccinated."
Dr J.W. Hodge (The Vaccination Superstition)

"It is nonsense to think that you can inject pus - and it is usually from the pustule end of the dead smallpox victim … it is unthinkable that you can inject that into a little child and in any way improve its health. What is true of vaccination is exactly as true of all forms of serum immunisation, if we could by any means build up a natural resistance to disease through these artificial means, I would applaud it to the echo, but we can't do it."
Dr William Howard Hay (lecture to Medical Freedom Society, June 25th 1937)

"Immunisation against smallpox is more hazardous than the disease itself."
Professor Ari Zuckerman, World Health Organisation

With reference to Whooping Cough;

"There is no doubt in my mind that in the UK alone some hundreds, if not thousands of well infants have suffered irreparable brain damage needlessly and that their lives and those of their parents have been wrecked in consequence."
Professor Gordon Stewart, University of Glasgow (Here's Health, March 1980)

"My suspicion, which is shared by others in my profession, is that the
nearly 10,000 SIDS deaths that occur in the US each year are related to one or more of the vaccines that are routinely given to children. The pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine is the most likely villain , but it could also be one or more of the others."
Dr R Mendelsohn, Author and Professor of Paediatrics (How To Raise A Healthy Child In Spite Of Your Doctor)

"The worst vaccine of all is the whooping cough vaccine...it is responsible for a lot of deaths and for a lot of infants suffering irreversible brain damage.."
Dr Archie Kalokerinos, Author and Vaccine Researcher (Natural Health Convention, Stanwell Tops, NSW, Australia 1987)

With reference to Polio;

"Many here voice a silent view that the Salk and Sabin polio vaccine, being made of monkey kidney tissue has been directly responsible for the major increase in leukaemia in this country."
Dr F. Klenner, Polio Researcher, USA

"No batch of vaccine can be proved to be safe before it is given to
children"
Surgeon General Leonard Scheele (AMA Convention 1955, USA)

"Live virus vaccines against influenza and paralytic polio, for example, may in each instance cause the disease it is intended to prevent..."
Dr Jonas Salk, developer of first polio vaccine (Science 4/4/77 Abstracts)

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #72 on: February 21, 2007, 09:25:29 PM »
ever wonder why some government officals in the US and canada are trying to have mandatory vaccines?  Maybe all the conspiracy theorists are actually right.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #73 on: February 22, 2007, 01:18:30 AM »
He would not only feel miserable, he would perform miserably.  The only thing that fuels the brain and muscles are Carbohydrates.

This form of unnessecary self-torture will also lower leptin to an insatiable degree. 



What makes you think that ketones can't fuel the brain and the muscles?

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #74 on: February 22, 2007, 04:26:33 AM »
vaccinations are bad, carbs are not essential.

fats are ketogenic

protein is glucogenic and ketogenic. the CHO it takes to make glucose can be manufactured by both protein and fat. adonis is wrong as usual.