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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #75 on: February 22, 2007, 07:03:23 AM »
What makes you think that ketones can't fuel the brain and the muscles?

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Its a poor choice to have ketones fuel the brain. VERY poor.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #76 on: February 22, 2007, 07:50:13 AM »
Its a poor choice to have ketones fuel the brain. VERY poor.

You may want to read this Adam: http://www.waynerad.com/NutritionReviewsKetones.pdf

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #77 on: February 22, 2007, 08:04:12 AM »
You may want to read this Adam: http://www.waynerad.com/NutritionReviewsKetones.pdf

July 6, 2000 - Study Warns of Potential Dangers of Ketogenic Diet May Lead to Life-Threatening Heart Problems
CINCINNATI -- A new study published in the Journal of Neurology warns of potential dangers of a high-fat, low-carbohydrate diet sometimes used to treat epileptic seizures. The study, conducted by physicians at Children's Hospital Medical Center of Cincinnati, indicates children on the ketogenic diet may be at risk for developing potentially life-threatening heart problems.

The ketogenic diet was designed in the 1920s as a treatment option for those with intractable epilepsy -- seizures that didn't respond to standard medications. The diet produces a state in the body that simulates starvation. It is based on the belief that starvation and dehydration can reduce the frequency of seizures.

Until now, the diet was thought to have few side effects. But the Children's Hospital Medical Center of Cincinnati researchers initiated a study after a 5-year-old patient on the diet developed dilated cardiomyopathy (an enlarged, poorly functioning heart muscle) and a prolonged QT interval (an electrical abnormality that can lead to a fast heart rhythm and sudden death).

The researchers found that out of 21 children on the ketogenic diet, 15 percent had these abnormalities. When taken off of the diet, the problems went away.

The problems may be related to a substance called beta-hydroxybutyrate and the high level of acid in the blood with which it is associated, according to Thomas Best, M.D., a physician in the Children's Hospital Medical Center of Cincinnati Cardiology Division and the study's lead author.

Beta-hydroxybutyrate levels are higher in people on the ketogenic diet, and children with the highest levels of beta-hydroxybutyrate had the most severe heart problems.

"While it's too early to suggest patients should be taken off the diet completely, they should be followed closely with electrocardiograms and echocardiograms, which will detect the complications," says Dr. Best.

The research team at Children's Hospital Medical Center of Cincinnati hopes to perform a larger study with more patients to get a better idea of how widespread the complications are and to determine the cause of the problems.
 

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #78 on: February 22, 2007, 08:05:48 AM »
true adonis how much protein do you eat per day?

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #79 on: February 22, 2007, 08:06:14 AM »
You may want to read this Adam: http://www.waynerad.com/NutritionReviewsKetones.pdf

Are there any side effects?
A person starting the ketogenic diet may feel sluggish for a few days after the diet is started. This can worsen if a child is sick at the same time as the diet is started. Make sure to encourage carbohydrate-free fluids during illnesses.


Other side effects that might occur if the person stays on the diet for a long time are:

kidney stones
high cholesterol levels in the blood
dehydration
constipation
slowed growth or weight gain
bone fractures
Because the diet does not provide all the vitamins and minerals found in a balanced diet, the dietician will recommend vitamin and mineral supplements. The most important of these are calcium and vitamin D (to prevent thinning of the bones), iron, and folic acid.

There are no anticonvulsants that should be stopped while on the diet. Topamax (topiramate) and Zonegran (zonisamide) do not have a higher risk of acidosis or kidney stones while on the diet. Depakote (valproic acid) does not lead to carnitine deficiency or other difficulties while on the diet either. Medication levels do not change while on the diet according to recent studies.


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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #80 on: February 22, 2007, 08:08:40 AM »
true adonis how much protein do you eat per day?
Depends.

I get the USRDA for sure everyday.

Yesterday I made a Rachel Ray recipe that called for 4 different kind of meats and 4 different kinds of cheeses.  I also had some soutwestern style Chicken, Ice Cream, Cookies.

I probably had a lot of protein yesterday.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #81 on: February 22, 2007, 08:11:08 AM »
Depends.

I get the USRDA for sure everyday.

Yesterday I made a Rachel Ray recipe that called for 4 different kind of meats and 4 different kinds of cheeses.  I also had some soutwestern style Chicken, Ice Cream, Cookies.

I probably had a lot of protein yesterday.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #82 on: February 22, 2007, 08:15:13 AM »
Are there any side effects?
A person starting the ketogenic diet may feel sluggish for a few days after the diet is started. This can worsen if a child is sick at the same time as the diet is started. Make sure to encourage carbohydrate-free fluids during illnesses.


Other side effects that might occur if the person stays on the diet for a long time are:

kidney stones
high cholesterol levels in the blood
dehydration
constipation
slowed growth or weight gain
bone fractures
Because the diet does not provide all the vitamins and minerals found in a balanced diet, the dietician will recommend vitamin and mineral supplements. The most important of these are calcium and vitamin D (to prevent thinning of the bones), iron, and folic acid.

There are no anticonvulsants that should be stopped while on the diet. Topamax (topiramate) and Zonegran (zonisamide) do not have a higher risk of acidosis or kidney stones while on the diet. Depakote (valproic acid) does not lead to carnitine deficiency or other difficulties while on the diet either. Medication levels do not change while on the diet according to recent studies.



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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #83 on: February 22, 2007, 08:45:46 AM »
The only thing that fuels the brain and muscles are Carbohydrates.

Its a poor choice to have ketones fuel the brain. VERY poor.

Flip flop there you go again.
First you say that the ONLY thing that fuels the brain is carbohydrates.
Then you flip and say it's a poor choice.
Adonis, if you're going to lie or whatever it is you call what you are doing, at least be good at it.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #84 on: February 22, 2007, 08:53:32 AM »
Flip flop there you go again.
First you say that the ONLY thing that fuels the brain is carbohydrates.
Then you flip and say it's a poor choice.
Adonis, if you're going to lie or whatever it is you call what you are doing, at least be good at it.
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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #85 on: February 22, 2007, 08:55:32 AM »
Flip flop there you go again.
First you say that the ONLY thing that fuels the brain is carbohydrates.
Then you flip and say it's a poor choice.
Adonis, if you're going to lie or whatever it is you call what you are doing, at least be good at it.

Adonis, you just  got "youngbloodowned"... ;D
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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #86 on: February 22, 2007, 08:56:33 AM »
Adonis, you just  got "youngbloodowned"... ;D

does that involve dying of roid induced BP issues?

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #87 on: February 22, 2007, 08:59:55 AM »
::)

You dumb guy.....it's laid out right in front of you. No post altering, preserved by the board, and there is no way that anybody but you can deny you said it.
So, explain to all of us-who know what we are talking about- and tell us how in the first post you say it's the ONLY source for the brain. Then in the next post you say that it's a POOR CHOICE. The word "choice" being the operative word, which implies that there is another source to use.....so what source would that be since in the previous post you said it yourself- "Carbohydrates are the only thing that fuels the brain."

Make up your mind. Swallow a gun while you're at it too. >:(

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #88 on: February 22, 2007, 09:06:40 AM »
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Thats a rather intelligent post you have there.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #89 on: February 22, 2007, 09:10:33 AM »
Thats a rather intelligent post you have there.

I agree with you, I'm really smart.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #90 on: February 22, 2007, 09:11:10 AM »
You dumb ####.....it's laid out right in front of you. No post altering, preserved by the board, and there is no way that anybody but you can deny you said it.
So, explain to all of us-who know what we are talking about- and tell us how in the first post you say it's the ONLY source for the brain. Then in the next post you say that it's a POOR CHOICE. The word "choice" being the operative word, which implies that there is another source to use.....so what source would that be since in the previous post you said it yourself- "Carbohydrates are the only thing that fuels the brain."

Make up your mind. Swallow a gun while you're at it too. >:(
Carbohydrates are the only thing that fuels the brain if you want to live optimally.

Be my guest. Starve yourself of Carbohydrates.  I don`t really care what you do.


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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #91 on: February 22, 2007, 09:15:27 AM »
Carbohydrates are the only thing that fuels the brain if you want to live optimally.

Be my guest. Starve yourself of Carbohydrates.  I don`t really care what you do.



But I thought you said a calorie is a calorie??? Carbohydrates = Fats = Proteins. You just disproved your own principles.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #92 on: February 22, 2007, 09:16:54 AM »
But I thought you said a calorie is a calorie??? Carbohydrates = Fats = Proteins. You just disproved your own principles.

Adonis I don't know how you deal with these people.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #93 on: February 22, 2007, 09:20:12 AM »
Adonis I don't know how you deal with these people.

He logs on as a different user....

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #94 on: February 22, 2007, 09:23:12 AM »
Adonis I don't know how you deal with these people.
They are unbelievably uneducated.

I feel sorry for anyone who comes in contact with most of them.


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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #95 on: February 22, 2007, 09:23:51 AM »
But I thought you said a calorie is a calorie??? Carbohydrates = Fats = Proteins. You just disproved your own principles.
A watt it a watt.  A joule is a joule.  A Kelvin is a Kelvin.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #96 on: February 22, 2007, 09:24:53 AM »
A calorie is NOT a calorie...it's not even a debate.

It's like saying a pound is a pound.....of what?

Under Adonis' thinking, a pound of feathers is the same as a pound of cement.


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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #97 on: February 22, 2007, 09:26:06 AM »
A calorie is NOT a calorie...it's not even a debate.

It's like saying a pound is a pound.....of what?

Under Adonis' thinking, a pound of feathers is the same as a pound of cement.



It is still a pound.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #98 on: February 22, 2007, 09:27:01 AM »
A calorie is NOT a calorie...it's not even a debate.

It's like saying a pound is a pound.....of what?

Under Adonis' thinking, a pound of feathers is the same as a pound of cement.



yes everybody knows a pound of cement weighs way more than a pound of feathers.  Adonis is so stupid he doesn't even realize that.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #99 on: February 22, 2007, 09:27:30 AM »
A calorie is NOT a calorie...it's not even a debate.

It's like saying a pound is a pound.....of what?

Under Adonis' thinking, a pound of feathers is the same as a pound of cement.


A calorie is a calorie.

I have a Question for you.

How many Chicken breasts would equal a gallon of Gasoline?