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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #125 on: February 22, 2007, 09:50:44 AM »
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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #126 on: February 22, 2007, 09:51:19 AM »
Which peer reviewed journal would one find this persons studies and articles?



Read this book and check his references (pages of them). He has updated versions too.


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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #127 on: February 22, 2007, 09:51:31 AM »
Still waiting for your response Mr. cutty/pastey...

you obviously stumped him

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #128 on: February 22, 2007, 09:51:44 AM »
That's the law of averages for you

Did you know that that 50 percent of Americans think the earth is only 10,000 years old or newer?

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #129 on: February 22, 2007, 09:52:37 AM »
Im coming from the same place you are...Adonis is nuts.

No disagreement there!!! ;D

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #130 on: February 22, 2007, 09:53:33 AM »
Did you know that that 50 percent of Americans think the earth is only 10,000 years old or newer?

Did you know that 99.9% of GetBig thinks you're a close-minded, idiotic pompous ass that can't accept anything that does not concur with your own opinion?

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #131 on: February 22, 2007, 09:53:55 AM »
Adonis do you think two genetic clones one eating 1800cals of lard and the other 1800cals of chicken will look the fairly same if the follow identical training programs for 12 weeks? I don't think so. A calorie simply is not a calorie in human physiology but it is the same in other applications.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #132 on: February 22, 2007, 09:53:55 AM »
Did you know that that 50 percent of Americans think the earth is only 10,000 years old or newer?

These people probably don't know that there are numbers larger then 10,000.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #133 on: February 22, 2007, 09:54:11 AM »
This ought to make EVERYONE sick!

Americans still hold faith in divine creation
By Jennifer Harper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
June 9, 2006


Much of the nation still takes stock in the book of Genesis.
    Eight out of 10 Americans believe God guided creation in some capacity. A Gallup Poll reveals that 46 percent think God created man in his present form sometime in the past 10,000 years, while 36 percent say man developed over millions of years from lesser life forms, but God guided the process.
    Only 13 percent of Americans think mankind evolved with no divine intervention.
    "There has been surprisingly little change over the last 24 years in how Americans respond," pollster Frank Newport said.
    The survey marks the seventh time that Gallup has queried Americans about creation beliefs. Since 1982, between 44 percent and 47 percent have consistently agreed that God created man "as is," while between 35 percent and 40 percent said man evolved with God's guidance. The idea of strict evolution without God has proved the least popular, cited by 9 percent to 13 percent of the respondents over the years.
    The beliefs intensify among certain demographics. The survey found that 56 percent of Republican respondents, compared with 43 percent of Democrats, said God created humans in their present form. Church attendance held sway over the partisan groups. Among Republicans who attended services weekly, the number rose to 67 percent. Among churchgoing Democrats, it rose to 57 percent.
    Findings were similar in the overall population.
    "Almost two-thirds of Americans who attend church at least once a week believe that humans were created 'as is' within the last 10,000 years or so, compared to just 29 percent of those who say they never attend church," Mr. Newport said.
    "About three-quarters of those with a postgraduate degree say humans developed over millions of years from less-advanced forms of life, while 22 percent chose the 'created in present form' option," he said.
    Things were more or less in the middle for those who attended church once a month, with 50 percent saying mankind developed from other life forms and 45 percent citing creation by God.
    Women edged out men for their creationism beliefs. More than half of women, 51 percent, compared with 39 percent of men, said God created man in present form. Age also played a role. Fifty-one percent of respondents older than 65 believe in the role of God in creation. That compared with 43 percent of those 50 to 64 years old, 49 percent of those 30 to 49, and 43 percent of those 18 to 29.
    The findings are based on two polls of 1,001 adults, each conducted May 8 to 11 this year and Nov. 7 to 10, 2004, with a margin of error of two percentage points.
    Other polls had similar findings. A Pew poll of 2,000 adults released in August revealed that 42 percent held strict creationist views, while 48 percent said humans evolved over time -- 18 percent of the sample said the process was "guided by a supreme being." Two-thirds of the group were open to teaching creationism in schools.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #134 on: February 22, 2007, 09:56:14 AM »
Adonis do you think two genetic clones one eating 1800cals of lard and the other 1800cals of chicken will look the fairly same if the follow identical training programs for 12 weeks? I don't think so. A calorie simply is not a calorie in human physiology but it is the same in other applications.

They would look the same if they did the same activities.  Their bodily functions would vary a bit.  It not feasible for someone to ingest just one type of nutrient.

Just get the USRDA. That is all you need for optimum health.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #135 on: February 22, 2007, 09:56:27 AM »
Did you know that that 50 percent of Americans think the earth is only 10,000 years old or newer?

The earth is milions of years old...but people that were created in God's image (including you) have only been here for 6000 years or so.

There was life here before....dinosaurs and other animals...but they were wiped out (hence the fossil record)

Satan was thrown out of heaven and hit the earth....killing everything

The ancient hebrew texts in the Book of Genesis and Isaiah indicate that there was a world that was destroyed before God re-created it.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #136 on: February 22, 2007, 09:56:51 AM »
What has that to do with a calorie???

Also Mr Adonis, can you please give credit which websites and journals you get your articles from? Makes further reading for people much more convenient.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #137 on: February 22, 2007, 09:58:21 AM »
They would look the same if they did the same activities.  Their bodily functions would vary a bit.  It not feasible for someone to ingest just one type of nutrient.

Just get the USRDA. That is all you need for optimum health.

how about take the same twins and give one 1800 cals of ice cream and take another and give him 1800 cals of chicken breast.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #138 on: February 22, 2007, 09:59:06 AM »
Nice quote from the Washington Times, a notoriously far-left newspaper whose sole agenda is anti-conservative.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #139 on: February 22, 2007, 10:00:34 AM »
This will make you even sicker!

U.S. Lags World in Grasp of Genetics and Acceptance of Evolution

By Ker Than
LiveScience Staff Writer
posted: 10 August 2006
02:01 pm ET
 
 

A comparison of peoples' views in 34 countries finds that the United States ranks near the bottom when it comes to public acceptance of evolution. Only Turkey ranked lower.

Among the factors contributing to America's low score are poor understanding of biology, especially genetics, the politicization of science and the literal interpretation of the Bible by a small but vocal group of American Christians, the researchers say.

“American Protestantism is more fundamentalist than anybody except perhaps the Islamic fundamentalist, which is why Turkey and we are so close,” said study co-author Jon Miller of Michigan State University.

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The researchers combined data from public surveys on evolution collected from 32 European countries, the United States and Japan between 1985 and 2005. Adults in each country were asked whether they thought the statement “Human beings, as we know them, developed from earlier species of animals,” was true, false, or if they were unsure.

The study found that over the past 20 years:

The percentage of U.S. adults who accept evolution declined from 45 to 40 percent.
The percentage overtly rejecting evolution declined from 48 to 39 percent, however.
And the percentage of adults who were unsure increased, from 7 to 21 percent.
Of the other countries surveyed, only Turkey ranked lower, with about 25 percent of the population accepting evolution and 75 percent rejecting it. In Iceland, Denmark, Sweden and France, 80 percent or more of adults accepted evolution; in Japan, 78 percent of adults did.

The findings are detailed in the Aug. 11 issue of the journal Science.

Religion belief and evolution

The researchers also compared 10 independent variables—including religious belief, political ideology and understanding of concepts from genetics, or “genetic literacy”—between adults in America and nine European countries to determine whether these factors could predict attitudes toward evolution.

The analysis found that Americans with fundamentalist religious beliefs—defined as belief in substantial divine control and frequent prayer—were more likely to reject evolution than Europeans with similar beliefs. The researchers attribute the discrepancy to differences in how American Christian fundamentalist and other forms of Christianity interpret the Bible.

While American fundamentalists tend to interpret the Bible literally and to view Genesis as a true and accurate account of creation, mainstream Protestants in both the United States and Europe instead treat Genesis as metaphorical, the researchers say.

“Whether it’s the Bible or the Koran, there are some people who think it’s everything you need to know,” Miller said. “Other people say these are very interesting metaphorical stories in that they give us guidance, but they’re not science books.”

This latter view is also shared by the Catholic Church.

Politics and the Flat Earth

Politics is also contributing to America's widespread confusion about evolution, the researchers say. Major political parties in the United States are more willing to make opposition to evolution a prominent part of their campaigns to garner conservative votes—something that does not happen in Europe or Japan.

Miller says that it makes about as much sense for politicians to oppose evolution in their campaigns as it is for them to advocate that the Earth is flat and promise to pass legislation saying so if elected to office.

"You can pass any law you want but it won't change the shape of the Earth," Miller told LiveScience.

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Paul Meyers, a biologist at the University of Minnesota who was not involved in the study, says that what politicians should be doing is saying, 'We ought to defer these questions to qualified authorities and we should have committees of scientists and engineers who we will approach for the right answers."

The researchers also single out the poor grasp of biological concepts, especially genetics, by American adults as an important contributor to the country's low confidence in evolution.

“The more you understand about genetics, the more you understand about the unity of life and the relationship humans have to other forms of life,” Miller said.

The current study also analyzed the results from a 10-country survey in which adults were tested with 10 true or false statements about basic concepts from genetics. One of the statements was "All plants and animals have DNA." Americans had a median score of 4. (The correct answer is "yes.")

Science alone is not enough

But the problem is more than one of education—it goes deeper, and is a function of our country's culture and history, said study co-author Eugenie Scott, director of the National Center for Science Education in California.

“The rejection of evolution is not something that will be solved by throwing science at it,” Scott said in a telephone interview.

Myers expressed a similar sentiment. About the recent trial in Dover, Pennsylvania which ruled against intelligent design, Myers said "it was a great victory for our side and it’s done a lot to help ensure that we keep religion out of the classroom for a while longer, but it doesn’t address the root causes. The creationists are still creationists—they're not going to change because of a court decision."

Scott says one thing that will help is to have Catholics and mainstream Protestants speak up about their theologies' acceptance of evolution.

"There needs to be more addressing of creationism from these more moderate theological perspectives," Scott said. “The professional clergy and theologians whom I know tend to be very reluctant to engage in that type of ‘my theology versus your theology’ discussion, but it matters because it’s having a negative effect on American scientific literacy."

The latest packaging of creationism is intelligent design, or ID, a conjecture which claims that certain features of the natural world are so complex that they could only be the work of a Supreme Being. ID proponents say they do not deny that evolution is true, only that scientists should not rule out the possibility of supernatural intervention.

But scientists do not share doubts over evolution. They argue it is one of the most well tested theories around, supported by countless tests done in many different scientific fields. Scott says promoting uncertainty about evolution is just as bad as denying it outright and that ID and traditional creationism both spread the same message.

“Both are saying that evolution is bad science, that evolution is weak and inadequate science, and that it can’t do the job so therefore God did it,” she said.


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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #140 on: February 22, 2007, 10:02:04 AM »
The earth is milions of years old...but people that were created in God's image (including you) have only been here for 6000 years or so.

There was life here before....dinosaurs and other animals...but they were wiped out (hence the fossil record)

Satan was thrown out of heaven and hit the earth....killing everything

The ancient hebrew texts in the Book of Genesis and Isaiah indicate that there was a world that was destroyed before God re-created it.
Wrong.

Try Billions.  Around 4.6.

LOLOLOL Homo Sapiens  6000 years old?  ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #141 on: February 22, 2007, 10:03:30 AM »
So, by your logic, I should be sick because the average American doesn't know much about genetics?

Hahahahaha.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #142 on: February 22, 2007, 10:04:32 AM »
You just aren`t that bright.

It quite allright to be a simpleton.  I`m used to dealing with them on a daily basis.  Almost everyone I meet is a simpleton.

Well thats what you get for working (managing) the local McDonalds.  Maybe you should change jobs.  Maybe Wendys

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #143 on: February 22, 2007, 10:05:44 AM »
Homo Sapiens are around 200,000 years old.

Descended from Homo Erectus.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #144 on: February 22, 2007, 10:06:18 AM »
Oldest Human Fossils Identified
Hillary Mayell
for National Geographic News

February 16, 2005
Human fossils found 38 years ago in Africa are 65,000 years older than previously thought, a new study says—pushing the dawn of "modern" humans back 35,000 years.

New dating techniques indicate that the fossils are 195,000 years old. The two skulls and some bones were first uncovered on opposite sides of Ethiopia's Omo River in 1967 by a team led by Richard Leakey. The fossils, dubbed Omo I and Omo II, were dated at the time as being about 130,000 years old. But even then the researchers themselves questioned the accuracy of the dating technique.

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The new findings, published in the February 17 issue of the journal Nature, establish Omo I and II as the oldest known fossils of modern humans. The prior record holders were fossils from Herto, Ethiopia, which dated the emergence of modern humans in Africa to about 160,000 years ago.

"The new dating confirms the place of the Omo fossils as landmark finds in unraveling our origins," said Chris Stringer, director of the Human Origins Group at the Natural History Museum in London.

The 195,000-year-old date coincides with findings from genetic studies on modern human populations. Such studies can be extrapolated to determine when the earliest modern humans lived.

The findings also add credibility to the widely accepted "Out of Africa" theory of human origins which holds that modern humans (later versions of Homo sapiens) first appeared in Africa and then spread out to colonize the rest of the world.

The new date also widens the gap between when anatomically modern humans emerged and when "cultural" traits—such as the creation of art and music, religious practices, and sophisticated tool-making techniques—seem to have appeared. Evidence of culture is not extensively documented in the archaeological record until around 50,000 years ago.

The wider gap could add fuel to a long-term debate swirling around when modern human behavior, as opposed to modern human anatomy, emerged.

"Those who believe that there is widely scattered evidence of 'modern' behavior going back 200,000 years in Africa will be delighted that modern human anatomy also goes back that far," said John Fleagle, a physical anthropologist at Stony Brook University in New York and one of the co-authors of the study. "[Scientists] who believe that modern human behavior only appeared abruptly about 50,000 years ago will see [the new date as] further expanding the distinction and the temporal gap between modern anatomy and modern behavior."

Dating Through Geology

Somewhat surprisingly, the first thing the scientific team had to do to come up with the new dates was to relocate the precise location where the fossil remains had been excavated in 1967. They were able to do this using National Geographic Society video footage taken during the first excavation. They also used photographs taken by Karl Butzer, a geologist currently at the University of Texas, who did the original geological studies of the site. Also helpful were hand-drawn maps from the late Paul Abell, another member of the 1967 team.

"So we know where Omo I and Omo II are now, and they're now documented by GPS, so they won't get lost again. But we didn't have GPS 40 years ago," said Frank Brown, a geologist at the University of Utah and a co-author of the study.

The remains of Omo I and Omo II were buried in the lowest sediment layer, called Member 1, of the 330-foot-thick (100-meter-thick) Kibish rock formation near the Omo River.

In addition to GPS, more advanced dating techniques have also been developed. The researchers sampled the volcanic ash on both sides of the river that lay above where the fossils were found. The ash was the same on both sides.

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"Then we had to find something to date, and what that takes is a lot of walking," Brown said. "Most of the ashes are very fine grained, they dont have pumice [fragments] in them, so you go along and you go along, and eventually you find a place where there are pumices."

The presence of feldspar crystals from a volcanic eruption inside pumice fragments is an indication that the crystals have not been contaminated. Such unadulterated crystals can be dated using a technique called potassium-argon dating.

"By dating the crystals held in the pumice, you can say with a high level of confidence that everything in that member [group of sediment layers] is nearly the same date," Brown said. "We used a dating technique called 40AR/39AR, which is a variant of potassium-argon dating."

In the same Member 1 sediment layers, the team found additional Omo I bones, animal fossils, and stone tools.

The work was funded by the National Geographic Society, the National Science Foundation, the L.S.B. Leakey Foundation, and the Australian National University.

Widening the Gap

Although both Omo I and Omo II were classified as Homo sapiens in 1967, the Omo II remains were considered much more primitive. Finding that the two individuals lived at around the same time in the same location suggests that, when modern humans first appeared, there were other, less modern populations also on the scene. The finding may add some new perspective to how we think about how and when "modern" human anatomy evolved.

"I have previously regarded Omo II as an archaic or primitive H. sapiens and Omo I as a modern H. sapiens, which would make them the same species," Stringer said. "If Omo I and II do belong together, the variation in the population is greater than I expected, but given what we see in larger fossil samples from other regions, we may need to accept that African populations showed large [physical-form] variation at this time."

Everyone agrees that the Omo II cranium is more primitive than the Omo I skull in many features, Fleagle said.

"Some see the two as part of a continuum, others see them as very distinct types of hominid," he said. "Whether Omo II gets put in Homo sapiens depends upon where one draws the boundary between H. sapiens and whatever species comes before—H. ergaster, H. erectus, H. heidelbergensis.

"Regardless of how Omo II is classified, " he continued, "I don't consider it surprising to find two different morphologies existing at the same time. We know that Homo sapiens and Neandertals existed in Europe at the same time and that in the early Pleistocene [epoch] there was diversity of early hominid morphologies [or body forms]. Indeed, virtually every site that has early modern humans ... seems to show a diversity of morphologies with some more modern and some less so."

Exactly when modern behavior, as opposed to modern anatomy, emerged—indeed even how to define modern behavior—is another area in which the Omo fossils might contribute some insight. Common elements used to define modern behavior include planning ahead; innovating technologically; establishing social and trade networks; adapting to changing conditions and environments; and exhibiting symbolic behavior like cave painting, beadmaking (used to show status or group identity), or burying the dead.

The crux of the argument comes down to whether these abilities resulted from a sudden biological and genetic revolution or from a more gradual evolution of abilities that culminated around 50,000 years ago.

"I think we are still determining when "modern" behavior started to evolve, and my guess is that it too will have deeper roots in Africa," Stringer said. "There is growing evidence that elements of modern behavior were there a hundred thousand years ago, and I think the gap or mismatch between the emergence of modern anatomy and modern behavior may well be much less significant than currently believed."

Spencer Wells is a geneticist and an anthropologist and a National Geographic Emerging Explorer. From an analysis of DNA of thousands of men around the world, Wells says he has discovered that all humans alive today can be traced back to a small tribe of hunter-gatherers who lived in Africa 60,000 years ago.

"Many anthropologists, myself included, believe that what makes us truly human is our modern behavior, enabled by a modern brain," Wells said. "Modern behavior starts to show up sporadically around 70,000 to 80,000 years ago but doesn't really take off until around 50,000 years ago—the "Great Leap Forward" and dawn of the Upper Paleolithic [early Stone Age]."

The human population appears to have crashed to around 2,000 individuals around 70,000 years ago, at the same time they were headed into the worst part of the last ice age. The crash was possibly brought on by a massive volcanic eruption, Wells said.

"The hypothesis is that the survivors of this near-extinction event had to be smarter in order to survive, and this allowed them to settle the rest of the world outside of Africa. So, 'human-ness' may not been widespread until around 50,000 to 60,000 years ago, and this could be seen as the real origin of our species."


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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #145 on: February 22, 2007, 10:06:52 AM »
Wrong.

Try Billions.  Around 4.6.

LOLOLOL Homo Sapiens  6000 years old?  ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

millions or billions...Im not arguing the exact time....you nor I have any concept of that kind of time anyway....all I was saying was that humans....that have God's image...have been here about 6000 years.


there were creatures that looked like man in a previous time period....but they were NOT the same as us. They were killed...yet their remains are still found today (just like dinosaurs)

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #146 on: February 22, 2007, 10:08:00 AM »
Descended from Homo Erectus.

You don't know how hard it was to supress the urge to make a joke.


Google is a helluva search engine, though.


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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #147 on: February 22, 2007, 10:08:50 AM »
Homo Sapiens are around 200,000 years old.

Descended from Homo Erectus.
Some more directly than others.  ::)

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #148 on: February 22, 2007, 10:11:24 AM »

Hope this helps!

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #149 on: February 22, 2007, 10:14:26 AM »
Adonis...

This is the event that caused the death of the previous world...

Jesus' words: "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven" (Luke 10:18).

When satan hit (many scientists believe it wasnt satan but a shooting star)....life was destroyed.....but then God began the creation sequence that is in Genesis.

Adonis, God gave you HIS IMAGE!