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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #200 on: February 22, 2007, 11:13:40 AM »
Wrong. This was invented by christains to try and 'claim' him, just as they've done with Darwin.


Don't just plop all christians in with the fanatics, please.

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« Reply #201 on: February 22, 2007, 11:14:15 AM »
I have not sworn or had a single feeling of anger in this "debate"

Im not your enemy guys.

I wasnt at Einstiens bed...nor did I personally know Darwin or Davinci...But at one point or another....I have read that thay believed in a God.

Im not here to convert anyone...I stated my opinions as did you guys.

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« Reply #202 on: February 22, 2007, 11:15:51 AM »

you dont know what he truly said behind closed doors on his death bed!

you have closed your mind.....people often change....you are speculating

NO one knows what einstein said on his death bed. he said it in german to a nurse that didn't speak the language. for all we know he asked for a ham sandwich and a blowjob.

einstein made dozens of public statements avowing his atheism, and you're claiming that you definitively know what he said behind closed doors to an unnamed nurse? i could make the same claims for the pope or emperor constantine, that doesn't mean it has any validity to it.

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« Reply #203 on: February 22, 2007, 11:17:13 AM »
NO one knows what einstein said on his death bed. he said it in german to a nurse that didn't speak the language. for all we know he asked for a ham sandwich and a blowjob.

einstein made dozens of public statements avowing his atheism, and you're claiming that you definitively know what he said behind closed doors to an unnamed nurse? i could make the same claims for the pope or emperor constantine, that doesn't mean it has any validity to it.


No, I admitted that it was a copy and paste....I didnt say anything was definite.


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« Reply #204 on: February 22, 2007, 11:17:52 AM »
I wasnt at Einstiens bed...nor did I personally know Darwin or Davinci...But at one point or another....I have read that thay believed in a God.

that's the problem. you found the quotes undoubtedly from some christian group who was trying to prove that they have some of science's strongest names among their ranks. i've even seen it happen to the still alive richard dawkins. the "bedside conversion" is a famous little nugget of dishonesty because as long as we claim it was said to a single person right before they died, not only don't we know who it was said to, but the person who said it was dead so we can't ask them about it!

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« Reply #205 on: February 22, 2007, 11:20:26 AM »
Just get the USRDA. That is all you need for optimum health.

Most of the general population fits into the first category - survival. For example, people today still believe that the USRDA (United States Recommended Daily Allowance) is an upper or optimal limit for nutrition. This is not true. The USRDA is based upon the minimum amount of a nutrient needed for survival! For example, the USRDA for Vitamin C is 75mg. This amount is actually the minimum amount needed (with a margin for error built in) to avoid scurvy. Scurvy is a disease caused by a deficiency of Vitamin C. And you know what? It's working! How many people do you know suffer from scurvy? The problem is that 75 milligrams is not the optimum amount for good health. While this amount is highly debated, it is more than likely much greater than the USRDA. In fact, there is an established "tolerable upper limit" of 2 grams (that's 2000mg) daily - far higher than the minimum amount for survival.

Thing is....I see whats going on here, and in some ways it is funny.  The energy you get from 'burning' one gram of protein is the same TYPE of energy that you get from burning one gram of carbohydrate as is one gram of fat.  There in lies the 'a calorie is a calorie'.  The reason Adam is getting a charge here is that people are arguing thats not the case.  It is.  The point people should be going after is what does it take to GET that calorie (or to be more specific, the kilocalorie).  The way we get our 'calorie' burned from fat is different than the way we get it burned from a carbohydrate.

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« Reply #206 on: February 22, 2007, 11:48:58 AM »
The point people should be going after is what does it take to GET that calorie (or to be more specific, the kilocalorie).  The way we get our 'calorie' burned from fat is different than the way we get it burned from a carbohydrate.

That point has been addressed, actually.

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« Reply #207 on: February 22, 2007, 11:56:06 AM »
With ZERO Leafy green veggies or fruits and ZERO omega -3 fatty acids or DHA & EPA you will be dead by 60.   

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« Reply #208 on: February 22, 2007, 03:14:06 PM »
With ZERO Leafy green veggies or fruits and ZERO omega -3 fatty acids or DHA & EPA you will be dead by 60.   

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« Reply #209 on: February 22, 2007, 03:16:15 PM »
Most of the general population fits into the first category - survival. For example, people today still believe that the USRDA (United States Recommended Daily Allowance) is an upper or optimal limit for nutrition. This is not true. The USRDA is based upon the minimum amount of a nutrient needed for survival! For example, the USRDA for Vitamin C is 75mg. This amount is actually the minimum amount needed (with a margin for error built in) to avoid scurvy. Scurvy is a disease caused by a deficiency of Vitamin C. And you know what? It's working! How many people do you know suffer from scurvy? The problem is that 75 milligrams is not the optimum amount for good health. While this amount is highly debated, it is more than likely much greater than the USRDA. In fact, there is an established "tolerable upper limit" of 2 grams (that's 2000mg) daily - far higher than the minimum amount for survival.

Thing is....I see whats going on here, and in some ways it is funny.  The energy you get from 'burning' one gram of protein is the same TYPE of energy that you get from burning one gram of carbohydrate as is one gram of fat.  There in lies the 'a calorie is a calorie'.  The reason Adam is getting a charge here is that people are arguing thats not the case.  It is.  The point people should be going after is what does it take to GET that calorie (or to be more specific, the kilocalorie).  The way we get our 'calorie' burned from fat is different than the way we get it burned from a carbohydrate.

You aren`t up to standards on the USRDA.

http://www.iom.edu/Object.File/Master/21/372/0.pdf

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Re: adonis and calories
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« Reply #211 on: February 22, 2007, 03:31:34 PM »
I eat tons of vegetables!

I eat anything I want!

Sorry, that slice of canned tomato and 2 slices of pickles you have on your big Mac dont count hoss.

Your poor body is so deficient in Omega-3 and DHA EPA its not even funny.

Its a wonder you dont have heart disease yet.

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« Reply #212 on: February 22, 2007, 03:32:20 PM »
Sorry, that slice of canned tomato and 2 slices of pickles you have on your big Mac dont count hoss.

Your poor body is so deficient in Omega-3 and DHA EPA its not even funny.

Its a wonder you dont have heart disease yet.

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« Reply #213 on: February 22, 2007, 03:37:37 PM »
You aren`t up to standards on the USRDA.

http://www.iom.edu/Object.File/Master/21/372/0.pdf

Well, actually I am Adam....the quote I was using was for 18 y/o and under.....I knew that adults needed 90 - 95 a day for Vit. C.  The 15mg difference was splitting hairs IMO

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« Reply #214 on: February 22, 2007, 03:39:40 PM »
Somedays I cook from a Vegetarian cookbook!

Your poor brain is suffering from ZERO DHA and you heart is suffering from ZERO EPA.

You MUST have very low natural Test levels from the SEVERE lack of Omega 3's in yrou diet.


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« Reply #215 on: February 22, 2007, 03:41:07 PM »
Well, actually I am Adam....the quote I was using was for 18 y/o and under.....I knew that adults needed 90 - 95 a day for Vit. C.  The 15mg difference was splitting hairs IMO

I don`t think so, given the small amount needed.

The thing is, it would be almost IMPOSSIBLE to not Exceed vitamin and mineral guidelines automatically by eating a normal diet.

That is why it is set up the way it is.  You would have to purposely try to be deficient EVERYDAY which in itself is not feasible.


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« Reply #216 on: February 22, 2007, 03:41:58 PM »
Your poor brain is suffering from ZERO DHA and you heart is suffering from ZERO EPA.

You MUST have very low natural Test levels from the SEVERE lack of Omega 3's in yrou diet.


Not really.

I cook everything in Different Oils as recipes call for and LOVE SEAFOOD!  Especially Cheese Stuffed King Mackerel.

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« Reply #217 on: February 22, 2007, 03:48:35 PM »
Not really.

I cook everything in Different Oils as recipes call for and LOVE SEAFOOD!  Especially Cheese Stuffed King Mackerel.

LOL I love how you TOTALLY change your entire game plan every time you post...

Its McDonalds w/ fries all the time.

THen its Ben& JErrys with cookes ALL DAY

Now its a vegetarian diet cookbook meal plan LOL

Then its SeaFood cooked with oils every day LOL

Right and tomorrow its going to be fried Aligator and pickled pigs feet and Jez eats the crusted grouper with ceaser salad .. whatever hoss.

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« Reply #218 on: February 22, 2007, 03:53:05 PM »
LOL I love how you TOTALLY change your entire game plan every time you post...

Its McDonalds w/ fries all the time.

THen its Ben& JErrys with cookes ALL DAY

Now its a vegetarian diet cookbook meal plan LOL

Then its SeaFood cooked with oils every day LOL

Right and tomorrow its going to be fried Aligator and pickled pigs feet and Jez eats the crusted grouper with ceaser salad .. whatever hoss.

THAT IS THE POINT

TA does not eat the same 3 or 4 foods 5 times a day everyday.  He eats what he wants he wants it.

Why don't you give it a try we are living in a time where we have access to the broadest array of food ever availible to anyone.  Surely chicken breast and brown rice isn't the be all and end all.

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« Reply #219 on: February 22, 2007, 03:56:41 PM »
Surely chicken breast and brown rice isn't the be all and end all.

No but Wild Salmon and asparagus  is.

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« Reply #220 on: February 22, 2007, 03:57:06 PM »
LOL I love how you TOTALLY change your entire game plan every time you post...

Its McDonalds w/ fries all the time.

THen its Ben& JErrys with cookes ALL DAY

Now its a vegetarian diet cookbook meal plan LOL

Then its SeaFood cooked with oils every day LOL

Right and tomorrow its going to be fried Aligator and pickled pigs feet and Jez eats the crusted grouper with ceaser salad .. whatever hoss.

Yep.

I LOVE food!

Here is a good Recipe!

Vegetable Antipasto Stuffed Bread Recipe courtesy Rachael Ray
Show:  30 Minute Meals
Episode:  Everyday Gourmet  
 
 
 
  
 
 
  
1 loaf crusty bread, 9 to 12 inches in length
1/4 cup sun-dried tomatoes in olive oil, drained, chopped -- 1/2 a small jar
1/4 cup black pitted calamata or oil cured olives, your preference, chopped
1/2 cup prepared pesto sauce
1/4 pound deli sliced provolone
1 jar, 16 to 18 roasted red peppers, drained
1 (15-ounce) can quartered artichoke hearts in water, drained
1 cup giardiniera, pickled vegetables (hot pickled peppers, cauliflower, carrots available on the Italian foods aisle of market or in bulk bins near deli section with bulk olives)
Coarse salt and black pepper
Extra-virgin olive oil, for drizzling

Cut the top off a loaf of crusty bread. Hollow out the inside of the bread.
Mix chopped sun-dried tomatoes, chopped olives and store bought or homemade pesto sauce. Spread the mixture evenly across the bottom of the hollowed out bread. Layer the cheese into the loaf. Layer the roasted red peppers on top of the cheese. Coarsely chop the drained artichoke hearts and add them in a layer over the red peppers. Sprinkle in the chopped hot pickled vegetables and drizzle some extra-virgin olive oil on top. Replace the top, cut the stuffed loaf into pieces and serve.


 

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #221 on: February 22, 2007, 03:59:48 PM »
Thats way too much trouble. Why not just have 1/2 jar of Ben & Jerry's? After all a calorie is a calorie!

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #222 on: February 22, 2007, 04:02:12 PM »


Einstein was 'racially' jewish, but he was not religious. He saw judaism as a tradition - not a religion. He also did not believe in what you would call god. Once again, research!

i think you need to do some reading my friend einstein was a deist in line with spinoza the philosopher. he did not beleive in a personal god.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #223 on: February 22, 2007, 04:05:15 PM »
Why don't you give it a try we are living in a time where we have access to the broadest array of food ever availible to anyone.  Surely chicken breast and brown rice isn't the be all and end all.

Yes, because it was just a short time ago "we" weren't...right?

I agree with you Adam....someone would have to go out of their way to NOT meet the RDA.  My point was that the RDA is not set for optimal health.....but meet the bare requirements.

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Re: adonis and calories
« Reply #224 on: February 22, 2007, 04:08:30 PM »
USDRA designed for average or sedentary people? Hard trainers would then require more vitamins,nutrients, etc.