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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2007, 08:05:22 PM »
In my experience, people (the Left) will always try and put the worst spin on any geopolitical issue involving The US, regardless of how delightfully ignorant their view is.

The ignorant ones are those who wear the 'America can do no wrong' badge.  You have no clue how unbelievably short-sighted that viewpoint is.

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« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2007, 08:09:17 PM »
The ignorant ones are those who wear the 'America can do no wrong' badge.  You have no clue how unbelievably short-sighted that viewpoint is.

I do, actually, but I see far fewer people like you have described above than Leftists as I have described.  Both are ignorant, but one group far outnumbers the other.
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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2007, 11:43:42 PM »
Mustard Gas = chemical weapon
Anthrax = biological

Saddam used chemical WMD on the Kurds.

So why are people saying the biological germs we gave to Iraq were used as chemical weapons on the Kurds?  Sounds impossible. 

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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2007, 12:53:42 AM »
So why are people saying the biological germs we gave to Iraq were used as chemical weapons on the Kurds?  Sounds impossible. 

It is, BB.  240 has tried to tell me before that Anthrax is a chemical weapon - it's all quite humorous really.
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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2007, 03:56:32 AM »
bruce, do you believe reagan thought the biological agents he was sending to iraqi universities might be used for evil purposes?

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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2007, 09:31:39 AM »
bruce, although i agree with alot of your posts, i respectfully disagree.

they did supply saddam with weapons during the iran/iraq war.  it was only to stop the fanatical aiatola in iran from invading the oil fields.  at the time it was the right thing to do.

It was not to stop the Ayotollahs from invading any oil fields. The purpose was to cause strife, instability, and to be a general pain in the Ayatollahs tush, preventing them from making any progress within their newly reclaimed nation. Despite their apology, their admission of wrong doing, their agreement to pay huge financial restitution to Iran, and blocking any lawsuits from Embassy hostages against Iran, ...the Republican administration of Reagan/Bush (which included the unholy cabal of Cheney, Rumsfeld, & Rice -- yep they were knee deep in it then just as now) was not content to lick it's wounds, accept American defeat in Iran, and start fresh. They wanted to ensure Iran was further destabilized after their boy's departure. So while they charged Rumsfeld with ensuring Iraq had plenty of weapons with which to attack Iran, and anyone else he chose, ...they ALSO supplied IRAN with weapons as well. A quick defeat at the hands of Saddam wouldn't do... the war had to be so drawn out, bloody and protracted, that it robbed both nations of a generation of fighting men, and set both countries back decades. The money from the illegal & illicit arms sales to Iran (which was hidden from Congress) was used to fund terrorists ...umm, "Freedom Fighters" in South America. (At least Freedom Fighters is what Reagan, Bush Snr, and Ollie North called them... despite the fact that these 'freedom fighters' waged a campaign of terror attacking civilians with death squads, murdering & raping nuns, blowing up schools, hospitals, and attacking other infrastructure in an attempt to topple a democratically elected, populist government acting responsibly in the interests of their own country, and unwilling to enslave it's own population.  Please see: http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=673946929268570136&hl=en

Saddam was a tool, used to occupy Iran, keep it busy. When a nation's focus is on war and destruction, ...it has no time to better itself as a nation or provide for the needs of it's citizenry. The Iran/Iraq war existed to ensure the mutual destruction and debilitation of the economies and infrastructures of both countries, thereby preventing either one from progressing. And who was sitting pretty while all this was going on... the Saudi Arabians of course. However once, the war was over, and Iraq had all this weaponry courtesy of the USA, SA didn't feel so comfortable anymore, ...but how do you get rid of a tool like this, once he's fulfilled his purpose? Simple... you encourage him to invade and reclaim what was historically a part of his own country. The part the British partitioned in order to destabilized the region when they themselves were forced to leave. You encourage him to invade with assurances you will look away and turn a blind eye to his actions. Then the minute he does... you lead a multi-national coalition against him, bomb his already decimated country into the stone ages, and pile crippling worldwide economic sanctions against his country for over a decade. And when finally you realize that despite all the careful preparation, groundwork and laser precise execution of your plans, ...this guy still isn't going down, ...that he has not only hit rock bottom, and survived, ...but to your horrors... you realize he has nowhere to go from there except up, ...you launch a massive psych-op against your own citizens to traumatize them enough so that their critical thinking skills temporarily cease to function optimally. You bombard them with graphic nightmares, evoking all kinds of anxieties which you exploit with relish, as they overload the frontal lobes, leaving only primitive primal responses of fear, void of rational critical thought, responses malleable to your desire to aggressively and illegally invade a sovereign nation of no threat to yourself, ...and get rid of the guy yourself. At least, that's what I would have done, "...if I did it"  :P



So... in summary, ...then as know... the war between Iraq & Iran was not intended to produce a clear winner, ...but infact to ensure both sides were losers. It has been quite plausibly argued elsewhere, the same fate is immediately intended for both Iran as well as the American public.

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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2007, 02:22:18 PM »
bruce, do you believe reagan thought the biological agents he was sending to iraqi universities might be used for evil purposes?

You're assuming the President presides over every piece of aid that is sent to third-world counties.  I don't believe anyone in the US believed that they were sending weapons to Iraq.
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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2007, 02:34:28 PM »
You're assuming the President presides over every piece of aid that is sent to third-world counties.  I don't believe anyone in the US believed that they were sending weapons to Iraq.

LOL! 

Monster denial dude.  iraq was in the midst of a serious war with one of our enemies, plus civil unrest. 

If NO ONE in the US believed sending their universities these chem/bio agents might result in weaponization, they are the most irresponsible set of fvcks ever to control deadly agents.

Your premise that people who manage these deadly resources DON'T CONSIDER POTENTIAL ABUSES WHEN SENDING DEADLY AGENTS INTO WARZONES is flawed.

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« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2007, 02:41:58 PM »
LOL! 

Monster denial dude.  iraq was in the midst of a serious war with one of our enemies, plus civil unrest. 

If NO ONE in the US believed sending their universities these chem/bio agents might result in weaponization, they are the most irresponsible set of fvcks ever to control deadly agents.

Your premise that people who manage these deadly resources DON'T CONSIDER POTENTIAL ABUSES WHEN SENDING DEADLY AGENTS INTO WARZONES is flawed.

Have I not already admitted it was naive?  Any chance of you perhaps damning those in this thread that have said we sent WMD to Saddam, as you have?
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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2007, 02:51:08 PM »
Have I not already admitted it was naive?  Any chance of you perhaps damning those in this thread that have said we sent WMD to Saddam, as you have?

blaming it on naivety is naive. 

believing that we're capable of building and protecting deadly weapons, but NEVER CONSIDERING THE POSSIBILITY THEY WILL BE ABUSED BY A NATION AT WAR is naive.

believing we never considered Saddam might use them against iran is naive.

Seriously dude, what you say is unrealistic.   Blaming things on incompetence or naivety is exactly how people do bad shit then get away with it.   You're telling me the entire US govt was too naive to believe the materials might be abused?  come on dude.

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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2007, 02:56:57 PM »
blaming it on naivety is naive. 

believing that we're capable of building and protecting deadly weapons, but NEVER CONSIDERING THE POSSIBILITY THEY WILL BE ABUSED BY A NATION AT WAR is naive.

believing we never considered Saddam might use them against iran is naive.

Seriously dude, what you say is unrealistic.   Blaming things on incompetence or naivety is exactly how people do bad shit then get away with it.   You're telling me the entire US govt was too naive to believe the materials might be abused?  come on dude.

You call me naive and unrealistic and yet it was you that claimed the US gave Saddam WMD until recently.  It was you that said the US gave Saddam mustard gas in this thread.  It was you that thought anthrax is a chemical weapon.  I could go on.

And you still claim that the US acted improperly despite the US Senate and the UN telling you you're dead wrong.
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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2007, 03:03:09 PM »
You call me naive and unrealistic and yet it was you that claimed the US gave Saddam WMD until recently.  It was you that said the US gave Saddam mustard gas in this thread.  It was you that thought anthrax is a chemical weapon.  I could go on.

And you still claim that the US acted improperly despite the US Senate and the UN telling you you're dead wrong.

It's a word game you play.

We gave materials to IRAQ during a time of war which were weaponized and used on domestic and foreign enemies resulting in the deaths of thousands.

Period.

You can tell us "we were tricked into giving it to universities!" and my favorite "nobody imagined he'd use for for evil!" (paraphrased of course) all you want.  In reality, anyone with half a brain knows what we did.

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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2007, 03:05:40 PM »
We gave materials to IRAQ during a time of war which were weaponized and used on domestic and foreign enemies resulting in the deaths of thousands.

Period.

That's utter garbage, Rob.  Prove this claim or move on from this thread.
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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2007, 03:22:55 PM »
That's utter garbage, Rob.  Prove this claim or move on from this thread.

what's garbage about that quote? 

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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2007, 03:28:00 PM »
what's garbage about that quote? 

Come on, Rob - get serious.
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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2007, 03:37:34 PM »
We gave materials to IRAQ
We gave materials to universities in the dictatorship nation of Iraq. You disagree?

during a time of war
Check.

which were weaponized
Check!

and used on domestic and foreign enemies
Kurds and Iraniains, check.

resulting in the deaths of thousands
Check.

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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2007, 03:44:59 PM »
We gave materials to IRAQ
We gave materials to universities in the dictatorship nation of Iraq. You disagree?

during a time of war
Check.

which were weaponized
Check!

and used on domestic and foreign enemies
Kurds and Iraniains, check.

resulting in the deaths of thousands
Check.


Sigh, we've been over this.
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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2007, 09:47:55 AM »
Sigh, we've been over this.

Why do you refuse to believe that America weaponry is field-tested on foreigners?

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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2007, 02:13:18 PM »
Why do you refuse to believe that America weaponry is field-tested on foreigners?

Let's see, well, because I use facts, such as the ones I provided to you in this thread.

You, on the other hand, make statements like this:

Q: How did Bush know that Iraq had WMDs?

A: Because the U.S. had supplied them to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war.

And have absolutely no evidence to back up your claim.  This probably explains why you made yourself scarce while it was being debated.
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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2007, 08:18:20 PM »
And have absolutely no evidence to back up your claim. 

It's very naive of you think that anyone in that part of the world is as advanced as the U.S. when it comes to CBR warfare. 

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This probably explains why you made yourself scarce while it was being debated.

Nah - I pretty much do GetBig early in the morning and late at night (like now).  I watch other message boards and have to work in between.


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« Reply #45 on: February 22, 2007, 08:21:47 PM »
It's very naive of you think that anyone in that part of the world is as advanced as the U.S. when it comes to CBR warfare. 

Uh huh, and your rebuttal of the evidence I have provided through the work of both the UN and the US senate is?
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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #46 on: February 22, 2007, 08:40:32 PM »
Yep, but that sure as hell isn't giving Saddam WMD.

so you can give someone a gun as long as you don't give them the bullets...Sounds like sematics to me

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« Reply #47 on: February 22, 2007, 08:46:56 PM »
so you can give someone a gun as long as you don't give them the bullets...Sounds like sematics to me

Uh, right, and you would give a university a gun for the purpose of saving lives?

And is a gun a WMD?

It's much more like me giving your doctor some antibiotics to heal your wounds, and then having your local political identity steal it from him and use it to culture biological weapons to kill his enemies.  I may have been naive to provide your doctor with it, but I did it to save your life, and without the intention of harming anyone.

Your analogy is horrendously inaccurate.
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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #48 on: February 22, 2007, 09:24:29 PM »
so you would not have a problem with us giving a university of say North Korea bacteria strains (that could) be used in weapons? As long as its a university right? And as long as they say it is only to save people?

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Re: Revelation: The Iraqi WMDs *were* hidden
« Reply #49 on: February 22, 2007, 09:26:26 PM »
so you would not have a problem with us giving a university of say North Korea bacteria strains (that could) be used in weapons? As long as its a university right? And as long as they say it is only to save people?

hahahahaha

seriously, my favorite line was when bruce said something like "NO ONE IN THE US GOVT BELIEVED SADDAM WOULD TAKE THEM AND USE THEM AGAINST HIS ENEMIES"

Classic BRUCE. ;)