Nubain and COmpeteing

[Lugar]

My buddy claims that 50% of pros are on Nubain pre comp........for what purpose?  I was always under the impression that it interfered with digestion, cause water retention, etc......not to mention extremely addictive.  Does it have any effect on muscle appearance?

[trab]

Narcotics are not a good thing to live with. The people who have medical need  for them
Don't enjoy living with them.  Watch out with that shit is a major understatement.
If your life revolves around HAVING to fix up (and it will, in short order), your athletic endeavors, as well as everything else, will suffer. That is a fact.  Leave the narcotics to the Doc is my advice.

[Rimbaud]

Based on your past posts (which seem to suggest you have an addictive & obsessive personality) I would leave it alone. But you don't seem to want to listen to anyones advice so good luck.

[Lugar]

I have no access to it nor do I want it.........I want to know the reprocussions as far as PHYSIQUE wise.......precontest, as I have three buddies ready to do a show in 10 weeks..............does it have any physique factors?

[Birdman]

Dude its an analgesic pain killer.  Ive known a few guys who have used it but only to recover from injuries.  A body of mine did the Jr. Nationals in 04 and he competed with a partially torn roator cuff.  He tore it 5 weeks out from the contest so he was already pretty dialed in and so he kept his training up and just used nubain until the show...From what he said, that shit is more addictive then vicodin or percocet.  JUST BE CAREFUL!!! If you were to use it make sure a doctor is monitoring you.

[Lugar]

LOL.....I AM NOT USING IT!!! NOR DO I HAVE ACCESS TO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  To be honest I had no idea until yesterday it even existed...........

[hendog]

I never understood the reasoning for using a compound that allows you to ignore the signs your body is giving you instead of listening and getting medical help. I always got good results from listening to my body during injury and growth phases and if I was injured I wouldn't mask the symptoms with drugs and keep training. That kind of shit ends careers, look at Gaspari and Yates. Does this guy that trained while injured still compete? Just curious and if he does more power to him, just seems reckless to me.

[b.c.]

My buddy claims that 50% of pros are on Nubain pre comp........for what purpose?  I was always under the impression that it interfered with digestion, cause water retention, etc......not to mention extremely addictive.  Does it have any effect on muscle appearance?

No effect on muscle, helps to calm your brain down though.  It also helps if you can limit yourself to one shot, preferably before you go to bed.  Most people get strung out because they dont work, and have nothing better to do than to shoot up bain all day. 

[trab]

PlayN with fire. Top shelf agonist & antagonist narcotic - Leave it to the anesthesiologists.
This thing has some quirks that could be real unFun if your in a accident and end up in the ER and cant talk.

Cortisol suppression? maybe, but theres better ways. Pain killer? This stuff makes Hydros & percs look like candy.
DIY surgery?  Constipation for sure. Cant dump/ cant eat.

Did any of the Motley Crue or Guns & Roses gang have great quads, or a 400lb Bench?

This stuff is not helpfull.

[b.c.]

PlayN with fire. Top shelf agonist & antagonist narcotic - Leave it to the anesthesiologists.
This thing has some quirks that could be real unFun if your in a accident and end up in the ER and cant talk.

Cortisol suppression? maybe, but theres better ways. Pain killer? This stuff makes Hydros & percs look like candy.
DIY surgery?  Constipation for sure. Cant dump/ cant eat.

Did any of the Motley Crue or Guns & Roses gang have great quads, or a 400lb Bench?

This stuff is not helpfull.

I agree with you, dont mess around with it. Nubain is very dose specific and tolerance levels can be build up very fast.  Had a buddy who got hooked on it, but his life was going to shit and couldnt deal with anything unless he was on ...Mostly used before surgery. 

[AVBG]

Lugar, I wouldn't touch it unless you needed it.. It will only end in  otherwise

[Lugar]

Anyone had any experience with it?  My buddy is claiming (alhough I am rying o get him away) that 1 cc a day is not an additicion......I would think it would make you WEAKER in the gym, no?

[trulytoned]

Thats like saying, oh i only do 1 line of coke a day everyday, im not addicted

[Lugar]

PROB TRUE THOUGH........

[Lugar]

Tell me the principle behind it.  I told you aout my buddy who competes in 2 weeks and he told me he's controlled it to 1-2cc a day.  Seems like a ton to me and I'm just glad that the one time I did try it, I wasnt hooked immidiately.

My question is - does this friggn shit burn fat?  Make you lean and shredded?  His diet is par, but he's 10x more shredded this year than I ever remember and he claims that's what nubain does....makes him feel bloated as hell, yet destroys bf......if it does, why arent we taking it precontest?  Tren has to be worse for you, no?

[HeyNow]

I thought I would bump this topic up since I am going through this right now.  This stuff is the devil, withdrawls from not using it got me all emotional etc. I only use at night, but you get used to it.  I have have not used for about a week and things have gotten easier, but the only reason why I stopped was because I ran out.  I have more on the way, but I advise anyone who is considering using this to reconsider.  When you use, it seems like nothing else seems to matter except the nubs.  Emotions about life etc are out the window, every girl I have dated since I started using (they didn't know) always told me they have never met someone without any emotions they found it a challenge at first, but after while they gave up.

Dont use it people.

[trab]

I thought I would bump this topic up since I am going through this right now.  This stuff is the devil, withdrawls from not using it got me all emotional etc. I only use at night, but you get used to it.  I have have not used for about a week and things have gotten easier, but the only reason why I stopped was because I ran out.  I have more on the way, but I advise anyone who is considering using this to reconsider.  When you use, it seems like nothing else seems to matter except the nubs.  Emotions about life etc are out the window, every girl I have dated since I started using (they didn't know) always told me they have never met someone without any emotions they found it a challenge at first, but after while they gave up.

Dont use it people.

If you can hack a week off, - STOP! Please.

How long acting is 'bain?  I didnt think its very long acting?
For Gods sake, Your thru the worst part at a week. Just can it!
PPL dont know what they screw'n with on theis shelf of the pharmacy.
Hands off unless theres a medical need. Even then its bad stuff.
Like a good looin' Ho with HIV.
Stop.

[Luv2Hurt]

All of trab's posts are right on and very good advice.  People start using bain with the excuses that it helps them train harder and pain free.  Very soon it escalates into a full blown addiction similar to heroin addiction.  narcos are very dangerous, to quote trab "you are playing with fire"

Funny thing is when I was a kid and people gave me advice like this I never would listen, had to find out for myself and in lots of cases thats OK but this is one I just think you should listen to.

[trab]

http://www.ohsu.edu/academic/picu/Medications.htm

Its short acting. If he can go a week, he can STILL  stop.
But, That wont last forever.

William Burrows said sumthing like, "Ya dont sell junk to the addict, you sell the addict to it. They will crawl thru a sewer to get it". 
He knew, he was a life long junkie.

N'bain's a agonist/antagonist. That blunts the high, and makes for a bit less "addictive potential".
Translation - It takes longer to realise your hooked.

Drop that shit while ya still can bud.

[RDW]

Tell me the principle behind it.  I told you aout my buddy who competes in 2 weeks and he told me he's controlled it to 1-2cc a day.  Seems like a ton to me and I'm just glad that the one time I did try it, I wasnt hooked immidiately.

My question is - does this friggn shit burn fat?  Make you lean and shredded?  His diet is par, but he's 10x more shredded this year than I ever remember and he claims that's what nubain does....makes him feel bloated as hell, yet destroys bf......if it does, why arent we taking it precontest?  Tren has to be worse for you, no?

The reasoning behind using Nubain in body building is because it is a phenanthrene, phenanthrene is arranged in three benzene rings.  Okay I realize a lot of you don't understand or care what that means but it is imporantant.  What I'm saying is that it is a hydrocarbon with 3 fused rings of a 6-6-6 configuration.  Steroids (such as testosterone) are terpenoid lipids arranged in a 6-6-6-5 configuration, so Nubain provides the base for these lipids.  So it is thought that by having these building blocks allready in your system the body will naturally produce more of the steroids.  It is much more commonly used in drug tested sports and competitions (so long as they don't care about narcotics).

I have yet to see definative evidence showing that this surplus of tri benzenes actually increases testosterone production.  I think it is much more likely someone tries it and swears to their friends it works because they don't want to stop.  Like all narcotics I would stay away from it, I see no purpose for it in body building.  If you are in enough pain to warrant using it - stop lifting and see a doctor.

[HeyNow]

This past week has been tough, it has been very difficult to sleep and I constantly think about it.  Knowing I have alot  coming on its way is going make it hard to not use.  
I went as far as bringing it to the airport on my Vegas vacation a little more than a week ago, I put it in a insulin vial.  Pathetic.
I started using a while back ago for back pain and it just progressed from there.

I appreciate the support from those who know.  I am hoping I will grow out of this phase.  I dont drink, I've never smoked or touched any kind of drug and I'm 26.  This stuff is serious.

[Overload]

This past week has been tough, it has been very difficult to sleep and I constantly think about it.  Knowing I have alot  coming on its way is going make it hard to not use.  
I went as far as bringing it to the airport on my Vegas vacation a little more than a week ago, I put it in a insulin vial.  Pathetic.
I started using a while back ago for back pain and it just progressed from there.

I appreciate the support from those who know.  I am hoping I will grow out of this phase.  I dont drink, I've never smoked or touched any kind of drug and I'm 26.  This stuff is serious.

Sorry if this sounds rude but either throw that shit in the trash or throw yourself in the trash.

if you made it this far you will be FINE!

i hope for your sake that the bain never arrives and i mean that in a positive way.

Life is too short to become a zombie to a drug as bad as bain. smoke some pot and eat some good food if you want to use drugs.

[trab]

One more thing -  Overloads ref to "ZOMBIE" Reminds me....
DONT let some Dr ever sell you a Methadone bill of goods.

This essence of dumpster juice has been resurected from the 70's pharma waste bin as a "New" cure all for many ills.
Fact is it's one of the highest profit items out there for the American Medical Industry.
 ALMOST NOBODY QUITS it - EVER!  And there be a Damn good reason for thet.

We got Drs handin' that shit out that are clueless about what they got.
1/2 life so long it takes 3+ week to hit steady state plasma.

Throw that shit out! Your thru that worst. 3 days and its downhill from there.
Unless your giving birth,  'bain has no usefull purpose.
Its not even used for Chronic pain.

IT HAS NO USEFULL PURPOSE IN BODYBUILDING - NONE! TOTAL SELF DELUSION.

[Arnold jr]

The reasoning behind using Nubain in body building is because it is a phenanthrene, phenanthrene is arranged in three benzene rings.  Okay I realize a lot of you don't understand or care what that means but it is imporantant.  What I'm saying is that it is a hydrocarbon with 3 fused rings of a 6-6-6 configuration.  Steroids (such as testosterone) are terpenoid lipids arranged in a 6-6-6-5 configuration, so Nubain provides the base for these lipids.  So it is thought that by having these building blocks allready in your system the body will naturally produce more of the steroids.  It is much more commonly used in drug tested sports and competitions (so long as they don't care about narcotics).

I have yet to see definative evidence showing that this surplus of tri benzenes actually increases testosterone production.  I think it is much more likely someone tries it and swears to their friends it works because they don't want to stop.  Like all narcotics I would stay away from it, I see no purpose for it in body building.  If you are in enough pain to warrant using it - stop lifting and see a doctor.

Good stuff RDW!