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NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« on: March 01, 2007, 01:17:46 PM »
Diet, exercise take off equal pounds, study finds

Updated: 7:12 p.m. ET Jan 29, 2007
WASHINGTON - Eating less and exercising more are equally good at helping take off the pounds, U.S. researchers said in a study that challenges many of the popular tenets of the multibillion dollar diet and fitness industry.

Tests on overweight people show that a calorie is just a calorie, whether lost by dieting or by running, they said.
They found there is no way to selectively lose belly fat, for instance, or trim thighs. And their carefully controlled study added to evidence that adding muscle mass does not somehow boost metabolism and help dieters take off even more weight.



"It's all about the calories," said Dr. Eric Ravussin of the Pennington Biomedical Research Center, part of Louisiana State University in Baton Rouge.

"So long as the energy deficit is the same, body weight, fat weight and abdominal fat will all decrease in the same way."

Ravussin said the study, published in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, is one of the few done under controlled conditions that can actually demonstrate what happens to a human body while dieting and exercising.

Fewer calories for a longer life?
Ravussin's team has been testing volunteers for another reason — to see if taking in fewer calories helps people live longer. Strict diets have been shown to help animals from worms to dogs live longer, but it takes longer to study monkeys and humans.


 
They tested 24 people, 12 who ate a calorie-restricted diet, and 12 who dieted and also exercised five times a week for six months.

The dieters ate 25 percent less than normal, while the exercisers reduced their calorie intake by 12.5 percent and increased their physical activity to lose an extra 12.5 percent in calories.

Another 10 volunteers acted as controls. All food was provided by the university in carefully measured portions for most of the study.

The volunteers in both groups lost about 10 percent of their body weight, 24 percent of their fat mass and 27 percent of their abdominal visceral fat. Visceral fat is packed in between the internal organs and is considered the most dangerous type of fat, linked with heart disease and diabetes.

The distribution of the fat on the body was not altered by either approach — helping prove that there is no such thing as "spot reducing," Ravussin said in a telephone interview.

This suggests that "individuals are genetically programmed for fat storage in a particular pattern and that this programming cannot easily be overcome," he added.

Exercise is still crucial
Ravussin has published other studies that also dispute the idea that exercise builds muscle that helps people lose weight.

"If anything, highly trained people are highly efficient, so they burn fewer calories at rest," Ravussin said.

Dieting alone also did not appear to cause the volunteers to lose muscle mass along with fat, Ravussin's team found.

"There is a concept that if you exercise, you are going to lose less of your muscle," he said. But his team found no evidence this is true.


Ravussin believes exercise is crucial to health, however.

"For overall health, an appropriate program of diet and exercise is still the best," he said.

His team found some small suggestion that cutting 25 percent of calories by either diet or diet and exercise might extend life.

"We found that two of the biomarkers of aging were improved — core temperature was 0.4 to 0.5 degrees C less," he said. "Insulin, which has been shown to be a biomarker of aging, was reduced," Ravussin said. That finding was published in the Journal of the American Medical Associaton last April.

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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2007, 01:43:17 PM »
The "Adonis" principles!! right up there with the Weider principles, right? ::)
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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2007, 01:44:29 PM »
Give me some props brother. I showed you that!

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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2007, 01:45:47 PM »
Give me some props brother. I showed you that!
Indeed!

I have been in contact with Dr. Ravussin and we are going to be working together on a few things.

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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2007, 01:47:16 PM »
ghaha what crackpot journal was that from.

a calorie is a calorie in terms of defecit, that is nothing new. what your saying is that certain macronutrients will get oprocessed the same. which is incorrect, nothing in that horrible study provides evidence for that.

post the whole article, not the media print if you have it. wouldnt mind looking at it.

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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2007, 01:48:58 PM »
ghaha what crackpot journal was that from.

a calorie is a calorie in terms of defecit, that is nothing new. what your saying is that certain macronutrients will get oprocessed the same. which is incorrect, nothing in that horrible study provides evidence for that.

post the whole article, not the media print if you have it. wouldnt mind looking at it.
Whoever said that?

Nobody.

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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2007, 01:51:10 PM »
A calorie is ALWAYS a calorie no matter what.

There are different macronutrients and each have a different function.

No one has ever questioned that, because that is not in question.

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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2007, 01:55:49 PM »
Here I`ll simplify it for you.

The energy that 9 grams of protein contains is 36 calories.
Then energy that 9 grams of carbohydrates contains are 36 calories.
The energy that 4 grams of fat contains is 36 calories.

Their energy values are equal no matter what.


Your body needs a minimal amount of each macronutrient to preserve muscle and perform all activites.


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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2007, 01:58:44 PM »
Here I`ll simplify it for you.

The energy that 9 grams of protein contains is 36 calories.
Then energy that 9 grams of carbohydrates contains are 36 calories.
The energy that 4 grams of fat contains is 36 calories.

Their energy values are equal no matter what.


Your body needs a minimal amount of each macronutrient to preserve muscle and perform all activites.




that's obvious but defies everything you've mentioned.

your claim was that someone could eat 50 grams of fat from ice cream and 112.5 grams of protein from chicken and the body will basically use it the same way bc it is still adds to be the same calory wise.  
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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2007, 02:03:32 PM »

1. You got this from a news article?! ::)  Where is the site for the actual study?

2.  This study only had a cohort of 24 subjects?! LOL!! Yeah, a study that small turned the whole nutrition industry upside down ::)

3. Everyone please note that this study was done on "overweight" people, whom, by doing ANYTHING positive either dieting or exercise WILL lose weight, that's a given ::)

4.Dr. Eric Ravussin, a doctor of what?

5. If anything, highly trained people are highly efficient, so they burn fewer calories at rest," Ravussin said... NOT TRUE in terms of muscle, a higher LBM will always mean a higher BMR.

6."His team found some small suggestion that cutting 25 percent of calories by either diet or diet and exercise might extend life."  The one thing I've actually seen studies on, one study stated that eating once a day was ideal for a prolonged life....LOL!

Sorry buddy, not impressed with this mickey mouse attempt at some ground breaking study...nice try though!
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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2007, 02:05:30 PM »
1. You got this from a news article?! ::)  Where is the site for the actual study?

2.  This study only had a cohort of 24 subjects?! LOL!! Yeah, a study that small turned the whole nutrition industry upside down ::)

3. Everyone please note that this study was done on "overweight" people, whom, by doing ANYTHING positive either dieting or exercise WILL lose weight, that's a given ::)

4.Dr. Eric Ravussin, a doctor of what?

5. If anything, highly trained people are highly efficient, so they burn fewer calories at rest," Ravussin said... NOT TRUE in terms of muscle, a higher LBM will always mean a higher BMR.

6."His team found some small suggestion that cutting 25 percent of calories by either diet or diet and exercise might extend life."  The one thing I've actually seen studies on, one study stated that eating once a day was ideal for a prolonged life....LOL!

Sorry buddy, not impressed with this mickey mouse attempt at some ground breaking study...nice try though!

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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2007, 02:08:32 PM »

that's obvious but defies everything you've mentioned.

your claim was that someone could eat 50 grams of fat from ice cream and 112.5 grams of protein from chicken and the body will basically use it the same way bc it is still adds to be the same calory wise.  
Wrong. You misquote and misunderstand and misconstrue all what I write.

As I have ALWAYS mantained, the USRDA is adequate and with an average diet, you easily exceed the necessary amounts of all needed Nutrients.

Get it through your head and everyone elses that I NEVER once said that.

I have always said a Calorie is ALWAYS a Calorie, but Nutrients are always different.

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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2007, 02:11:41 PM »
Here I`ll simplify it for you.

The energy that 9 grams of protein contains is 36 calories.
Then energy that 9 grams of carbohydrates contains are 36 calories.
The energy that 4 grams of fat contains is 36 calories.

Their energy values are equal no matter what.


Your body needs a minimal amount of each macronutrient to preserve muscle and perform all activites.




Wow! It's just that simple huh ???  All those fools in medical school for four years taking all of those courses in biochemistry, physiology, genetics, and endocrinology....bunch a saps :o
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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2007, 03:10:49 PM »
Your dumb principles don't work for adding muscle.

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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2007, 05:31:48 PM »
Your dumb principles don't work for adding muscle.
Why not elaborate on your ideas instead of making worthless posts that are a waste of everyone's time.

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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2007, 05:43:13 PM »
Why does everyone continue to beat this horse into the ground?

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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2007, 11:22:56 AM »
If a "calorie is just a calorie" then, theoretically you could live on alcohol, because it's got 7 calories per gram.  Give it a shot, you'll die. 

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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2007, 01:19:32 PM »
If a "calorie is just a calorie" then, theoretically you could live on alcohol, because it's got 7 calories per gram.  Give it a shot, you'll die. 

Yeah but it's also poison.

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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2007, 02:11:18 PM »
Yeah, so is Trans Fat, but Adonis says it's fair game...

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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2007, 02:20:31 PM »
A calorie is a calorie is utter bullshit.

Like alcohol was mentioned, you cannot live on only fat or only carbs.

The body needs several micronutritionals.
It's bullshit.

If you want to look like a fucking heroin addict or an obese fuck with veins clustered with shit, keep eating like adonis says.
TA, you're a total idiot.

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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2007, 03:23:34 PM »
The TA principles don't work for adding muscle hahahahaha

address this TA.

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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2007, 07:53:37 PM »
I think he's saying a calorie is a calorie in terms of energy values only.

He obviously knows the macronutrient content varies, so he's not saying you can survive on alcohol or one food alone.

The point is you can lose weight eating whatever foods you want, as long as you're in a calorie deficient state.  Cardio is uncessary if you achieve this through weight training or whatever.   I don't think anyone can argue that.

What can be argued is the health benefits of eating Quarter Pounders vs. egg whites and vegetables.

 
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Re: NEW STUDY Supports The Adonis Principles
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2007, 09:07:06 PM »
...also hes proven you can still look in shape and have your cake too  :)

but must have supernatural moderation of junk food powers  ;D