Humans genetically programmed to believe in God?

[Nordic Superman]

Interesting story!

God has always been a puzzle for Scott Atran. When he was 10 years old, he scrawled a plaintive message on the wall of his bedroom in Baltimore. “God exists,” he wrote in black and orange paint, “or if he doesn’t, we’re in trouble.” Atran has been struggling with questions about religion ever since — why he himself no longer believes in God and why so many other people, everywhere in the world, apparently do.

[Camel Jockey]

I would put something in that box because I was told to do so, not because I believe in something. That has to be the most retarded experiment ever. 

Believing in god is cultural. People are taught to believe in a god from an early age and it's continously hammered into their heads from an early age.

I mean I could just as easily raise an infant and instill in him that there's a giant and all knowing spaghetti monster that rules the known universe.

If we were genetically programmed for it, then some wouldn't break free from the shackles of religion and belief in a higher power. People are breaking away from faith just like they broke away from past cultural norms that were found to be useless.

[beatmaster]

could say it better myself camel..... 

[ToxicAvenger]

if god exists..he sould just stop with the peek a boo..and show himself..

why the fucking mystery 


if he exists..he is an idiot..

he wants us to belive in him thru faith..when everyone would be happier and things would be easier if he just SHOWED himself..

God..i expect a face in the sky and a booming voice from the heavens tomorrow .k...

..n oh..a larger penis..

thanx!

[ToxicAvenger]

Believing in god is cultural.

religion is cultural..belief in god at least in my opinion is a matter of self preservation..

heres hoping the universe is cyclical aye...or at least the string theory version of a multiverse is correct!

[loco]

he wants us to belive in him thru faith..when everyone would be happier and things would be easier if he just SHOWED himself..

But he did show himself, and we murdered him.

John 1
10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us

God..i expect a face in the sky and a booming voice from the heavens tomorrow .k...

But you will see his face, tomorrow, maybe the day after, but you will see Him.

Revelation 1:7
Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.

[Necrosis]

i started a thread on neurotheology. what people dont realize is that if there was a god, the only way he could interact is thru the brain, since our perception is the brain.


if god did exist, there would be neural correlates, it would be the only way for him to communicate.



the left temporal lobe is considered the god spot. it is not a argument against, more so for imo.

[ToxicAvenger]

But he did show himself, and we murdered him.

if he infact ws god " he let himself be murdered" ..plus he's GOD for fucks sake..you mean to tell me he cant handle a little pain?



<besides..you r going on the assumption that cistrainity is the correct faith...what if the jews or the muslims r right?>

[loco]

if he infact ws god " he let himself be murdered" ..plus he's GOD for fucks sake..you mean to tell me he cant handle a little pain?

Yes, he did let himself be murdered.  The point is that he did show himself, and we did murder him.

John 10:17-18
I lay down my life—only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again

<besides..you r going on the assumption that cistrainity is the correct faith...what if the Jews or the muslims r right?>

I'm not assuming.  Christianity is the correct faith and it is a completion of Judaism. 

The Jews, right?  If you look at the history of Israel, most Jews always rejected any prophet sent to them by God himself.  Why would it be any different when God sent his own son?  The Jews will all become Christians eventually.

Philip. 2:9-11
9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
      and gave him the name that is above every name,
 10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
      in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
 11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
      to the glory of God the Father.

The Muslims, right?  The God of the Bible, the God of Christians loves Jews.  Allah, the god of the Muslims and Muslims themselves hate Jews.

[ToxicAvenger]

Yes, he did let himself be murdered.  The point is that he did show himself, and we did murder him.

ok he showed himself  howmany yrs ago?? i need a recent appreance..and so what we murdered him.....he's god..he coulda prevented that..

I'm not assuming.  Christianity is the correct faith and it is a completion of Judaism. 

the jews believe they r right..the muslims believe they r right..and the christians believe they r right..

The Jews, right?  If you look at the history of Israel, most Jews always rejected any prophet sent to them by God himself.  Why would it be any different when God sent his own son?  The Jews will all become Christians eventually.

the muslims call christians and jews "people of the book" ie they will all become muslims when they see the true light..

The Muslims, right?  The God of the Bible, the God of Christians loves Jews.  Allah, the god of the Muslims and Muslims themselves hate Jews.

the muslims dislike many zionist jews..and hate em..yes..but they r plenty of jews living in pakistan..my physics tutor  in high skool ws jewish..

howeverthe koran dosen't tell the muslims to hate jews..thats a social thing..

i mean my parents r muslim..they sure dont hate jews or christians..90% of our employees r christians..

[Nordic Superman]

Watch this toxic:

Muslims must not make friends with non-muslims. I hope you have no non-muslim friends because you do you will face doom in hell.

[ToxicAvenger]

Watch this toxic:

Muslims must not make friends with non-muslims. I hope you have no non-muslim friends because you do you will face doom in hell.

all my friends r not muslim...except so am i..and u seem to conveniently forget this quite a bit in your pesty little tantrums..


even growing up ui had a few non muslim friends..

i just feel bad for you that u have had to grow up with scum we ran out of pakistan...and u seem to judge all muslims on that basis..

totally understandable..but ya should travel and see there r other flavours around..

[Butterbean]

ok he showed himself  howmany yrs ago?? i need a recent appreance..

Would you really believe then Toxy?  Or would you think it could be a trick?

[Nordic Superman]

all my friends r not muslim...except so am i..and u seem to conveniently forget this quite a bit in your pesty little tantrums..


even growing up ui had a few non muslim friends..

i just feel bad for you that u have had to grow up with scum we ran out of pakistan...and u seem to judge all muslims on that basis..

totally understandable..but ya should travel and see there r other flavours around..

Hmm, I judge islam by islam itself.

I've been all over the world.

[ToxicAvenger]

Would you really believe then Toxy?  Or would you think it could be a trick?

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if i saw him myself..and he performed a miracle that i could not explain thru science..YES!


then i could begin step 2...

deciding whether christanity..islam or juadism is the proper religion..


however ..god in essence should accept a good person regardless of which religion of those 3 he or she chose right?  god is  beyond petty differences right?

[ToxicAvenger]

I've been all over the world.

bullshit.

[haider]

The Muslims, right?  The God of the Bible, the God of Christians loves Jews.  Allah, the god of the Muslims and Muslims themselves hate Jews.

Wow, christians don't hate the jews at all, right? 

Why does the God of the bible love jews? Didnt jews rebel against God, even conspired to kill Jesus(pbuh)? The Quran doesnt condemn all jews, only those who rebelled against Him. Stop spewing this ignorance. They were God's chosen people, and they blew it.

[haider]

Your seperation of the God of the bible and "Allah" is completely imaginary. If you only belive in one God, then there is only one God. And then you wonder why people think christianity is polytheistic

[loco]

Wow, christians don't hate the jews at all, right? 

Yes, a minority of ignorant, Christians do hate the Jews.  You are correct.  But they are ignorant and they are wrong.  Can you deny that most Christians around the world support Israel?  Christianity and the Bible teach we must love, support and bless the Jews.

If this is true also for Muslims, if the majority of Muslims love the Jews, if Islam teaches that we all must love, support and bless Israel, then I stand corrected and I am ignorant as you say.  Can you tell me that's the truth about Islam?

Why does the God of the bible love jews? Didnt jews rebel against God, even conspired to kill Jesus(pbuh)?

Because they are God's chosen people.  God still loves the Jews and so must we.

Romans 10
 Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved.

Genesis 12:1,3
The LORD had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father's household and go to the land I will show you.
"I will make you into a great nation
I will bless those who bless you,
       and whoever curses you I will curse;

The Quran doesnt condemn all jews, only those who rebelled against Him. Stop spewing this ignorance. They were God's chosen people, and they blew it.

Educate me then.  Muslims believe in the end of the world.  When will the world end?  Isn't it when all Muslim tribes crush all the tribes of Israel?

By the way, I do not hate Muslims, homosexuals or anybody.  And I do not condone hate for anybody.  So please don't take it personal.

[loco]

Hateful Hadith Again PA TV
A hadith is a saying or tradition attributed to the Prophet Muhammad. One particular hadith that has been repeated by academic and religious figures over and over on Palestinian Authority Television relates a time in the future when the rocks and the trees of the earth will call out to Muslims to kill them. Indeed, according to this hadith, until Muslims start killing Jews and the rocks and the trees reveal the latter's hiding places, the Hour of Resurrection - the end of the world - won't come.
By continually preaching this message to Palestinians, the PA is turning the killing of Jews into a religious obligation.
http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part6.html

[loco]

It is taken from Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176 & 177 of the Sahih Bukhari edition of the Hadith. The title of this chapter is, "Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)"


Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

[Butterbean]

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if i saw him myself..and he performed a miracle that i could not explain thru science..YES!

Can you give some examples of what you would accept as a miracle Toxy?  Would raising a person from the dead be acceptable to you?

Will it be decided by you that if someone caused something to happen that you could not explain through science that that "person" is truly God?

Are you aware that the bible says when the anti-christ comes, God will allow him to perform certain "miracles?"  The anti-christ will eventually be fully possessed by Satan.  The anti-christ will be able to perform miracles, yet will not be God.

[Nordic Superman]

Yo loco, nice ownage!

[haider]

It is taken from Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176 & 177 of the Sahih Bukhari edition of the Hadith. The title of this chapter is, "Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)"


Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

I have to look at it within some sort of context to properly judge what is being said. I don't really sense anti-semitism though, just that it is predicted that muslims will be at war with the jews. 

Yes, a minority of ignorant, Christians do hate the Jews.  You are correct.  But they are ignorant and they are wrong.  Can you deny that most Christians around the world support Israel?  Christianity and the Bible teach we must love, support and bless the Jews.

I dunno the numbers, but I doubt most christians around the world care much about Israel. It is irrational to love all jews, just as it is to hate all jews. There's the good and the bad, and Israel has done plenty of bad. Some jews will call these zionists "so-called" jews due to their allegiance to a cause they believe goes against their beliefs (jewish supremacy).

If this is true also for Muslims, if the majority of Muslims love the Jews, if Islam teaches that we all must love, support and bless Israel, then I stand corrected and I am ignorant as you say.  Can you tell me that's the truth about Islam?

You explicitly said that the God of muslims, and muslims hate jews. This is not true. We have no obligation to love jews. The whole idea seems kinda ridiculous to me.

Because they are God's chosen people.  God still loves the Jews and so must we.

Romans 10
 Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved.

Genesis 12:1,3
The LORD had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father's household and go to the land I will show you.
"I will make you into a great nation
I will bless those who bless you,
       and whoever curses you I will curse;

Why are jews given this special status? Becuase of their genes? So if I'm born a jew I deserve God's love more than a white or a black? How is this not unfair?

Educate me then.  Muslims believe in the end of the world.  When will the world end?  Isn't it when all Muslim tribes crush all the tribes of Israel?

By the way, I do not hate Muslims, homosexuals or anybody.  And I do not condone hate for anybody.  So please don't take it personal.

I realy dont know, neither do I really care how the world will end. We should be worrying mroe about how to NOT end the world, rather than pushing for it. This goes against the idea of peace, love, and harmony.

[ToxicAvenger]

Can you give some examples of what you would accept as a miracle Toxy?  Would raising a person from the dead be acceptable to you?

Will it be decided by you that if someone caused something to happen that you could not explain through science that that "person" is truly God?

make the moon move across the sky really really quick without disrupting earths orbit..

orrr make gravity disappear just for me for 10 mins..

something like dat

Are you aware that the bible says when the anti-christ comes, God will allow him to perform certain "miracles?"  The anti-christ will eventually be fully possessed by Satan.  The anti-christ will be able to perform miracles, yet will not be God.

so does the koran..