Author Topic: An Inconvenient Truth (Read 18160 times)

tu_holmes · « **Reply #50 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:16:21 AM »

Quote from: BRUCE on March 06, 2007, 01:09:41 AM

Er, no. You see, I post evidence in every thread I start and the appropriate links. If there's anything at all incorrect or inaccurate, tell me what. Otherwise, try not to take this angle of whining about how I never admit I'm wrong. Show me I am, if I'm such a fool, it shouldn't be a problem.

Is there any one point I've made you can disprove? Just one?

For the record... This will be the last time I respond to you on these forums... due to your inherent attitude.

I and others have disproven you... but you choose to ignore them when they are presented... but you of course will respond that we have "not", so it becomes a moot point then, doesn't it?

Bigger Business · « **Reply #51 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:20:14 AM »

it was just a movie guys

the only reason you suggest it has a political agenda is because it was 'hosted/narrated' by a half assed hippy with a suit

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #52 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:26:59 AM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on March 06, 2007, 01:20:14 AM

it was just a movie guys

the only reason you suggest it has a political agenda is because it was 'hosted/narrated' by a half assed hippy with a suit

Does it not try to make a case for the global warming model and encorage activism from the viewers? Why yes, yes it does... Is Global warming a political issue? That is an issue two sides are engouraging the governemnt to side one way or the other on? Why yes, yes it is... Half assed hippy this or that... the case is made made by the fact that it IS a Political Issue

The activism is there, the polticians responding are there, the pudants taking up the issue are there. What more would you want to make the case it's a valid political issue

Bigger Business · « **Reply #53 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:30:15 AM »

Global warming is not a political issue...its a moral issue

tu_holmes · « **Reply #54 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:31:41 AM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on March 06, 2007, 01:30:15 AM

Global warming is not a political issue...its a moral issue

Everyday politicians make laws regarding our "morals".

Bigger Business · « **Reply #55 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:35:03 AM »

when global warming is the main argument for a party leader to challenge for power then it will be a political issue

that wont happen for 10 years or so

tu_holmes · « **Reply #56 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:35:51 AM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on March 06, 2007, 01:35:03 AM

when global warming is the main argument for a party leader to challenge for power then it will be a political issue

that wont happen for 10 years or so

If we weren't in the middle of a crappy war right now, it might be enough.

Bigger Business · « **Reply #57 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:39:20 AM »

well in that case they'd need to make up something wouldn't they

tu_holmes · « **Reply #58 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:39:54 AM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on March 06, 2007, 01:39:20 AM

well in that case they'd need to make up something wouldn't they

Almost as bad as making up lies about plutonium and WMDs huh?

Bigger Business · « **Reply #59 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:43:02 AM »

well played my friend

well played

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #60 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:43:02 AM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on March 06, 2007, 01:30:15 AM

Global warming is not a political issue...its a moral issue

LOLOLOLOL... OK... I really don't want to fight you on this, we just got on good terms, so I'll try to keep it cool... I would note that I could say the same thing about abortion or doctor assisted suicide. they are moral issues. Does the morality arguments of an issue invalidate them as political issues? clearly not. It doesn't stop guys like Rush and other political talking heads from taking up these issues on a regular basis. If the issue has two sides trying to convince the government to act one way verses another, it is a political issue. That makes abortion a political issue, it makes medical Marijuana a political issue and it makes global warming a political issue for the same reason. For it not to be a political issue you will have to make the case of why we shouldn't argue over the direction two sides are trying to sway the government to go on the issue and that would be an argument that says we shouldn't argue over the direction of our government and arguing over the direction of our government is what political debate is all about

Bigger Business · « **Reply #61 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:45:02 AM »

Quote from: Berserker on March 06, 2007, 01:43:02 AM

LOLOLOLOL... OK...

youre comparing global warming to an abortion?

global warming is speculation my man

tu_holmes · « **Reply #62 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:46:59 AM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on March 06, 2007, 01:45:02 AM

youre comparing global warming to an abortion?

global warming is speculation my man

I could say WMDs were speculation...

But I won't... I'll try for something else...

How about, the economic future of the country... That's total speculation and is not at all something the government can directly control, however people win and lose elections and debate over the economy all of the time.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #63 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:47:08 AM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on March 06, 2007, 01:45:02 AM

youre comparing global warming to an abortion?

global warming is speculation my man

Is there or is there not two opposing sides trying to effect government policy in regards to global warming? Yes or no?

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #64 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:48:44 AM »

BB, how many fosters have you had tonight

Bigger Business · « **Reply #65 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:53:40 AM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on March 06, 2007, 01:46:59 AM

I could say WMDs were speculation...

But I won't... I'll try for something else...

How about, the economic future of the country... That's total speculation and is not at all something the government can directly control, however people win and lose elections and debate over the economy all of the time.

there were no wmd's we knew that b4 they went in to Iraq...(You honestly think they would have attacked a country that has nuclear weapons?)

Sensationalism is a powerful tool...just like politicians need funding to run for power, scientists need funding to continue research. Ironic how politicians that fund the scientific researches are backed by industrial companies.

jobs are greater than the environment...if gwb promises 30 new car plants with thousands of jobs you think the voters will give a damn about some trees?

people that want jobs vote...not hippies

Bigger Business · « **Reply #66 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:56:13 AM »

Quote from: Berserker on March 06, 2007, 01:47:08 AM

Is there or is there not two opposing sides trying to effect government policy in regards to global warming? Yes or no?

neither party know if they are right...so how can it matter?

have they issued policy either way?

have they issued policy if they're wrong?

tu_holmes · « **Reply #67 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:57:06 AM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on March 06, 2007, 01:53:40 AM

there were no wmd's we knew that b4 they went in to Iraq...(You honestly think they would have attacked a country that has nuclear weapons?)

Sensationalism is a powerful tool...just like politicians need funding to run for power, scientists need funding to continue research. Ironic how politicians that fund the scientific researches are backed by industrial companies.

jobs are greater than the environment...if gwb promises 30 new car plants with thousands of jobs you think the voters will give a damn about some trees?

people that want jobs vote...not hippies

That may be true, but I was talking about how both are speculation... nothing more.

Oh, and while that may be true about people wanting jobs over trees... I don't see a lot of those being produced either.. ESPECIALLY in the auto industry (since you brought it up).

Don't count the trees out... people who want jobs don't really jump out and vote these days either it seems.

Bigger Business · « **Reply #68 on:** March 06, 2007, 02:02:28 AM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on March 06, 2007, 01:57:06 AM

That may be true, but I was talking about how both are speculation... nothing more.

Oh, and while that may be true about people wanting jobs over trees... I don't see a lot of those being produced either.. ESP.ECIALLY in the auto industry (since you brought it up).

Don't count the trees out... people who want jobs don't really jump out and vote these days either it seems.

the auto industry was a bad example...i like the phrase 'car plant'

all im saying is when there is policy based purely on the alleged global warming phenomenon then it will be a political mantle

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #69 on:** March 06, 2007, 02:04:12 AM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on March 06, 2007, 01:56:13 AM

neither party know if they are right...so how can it matter?

have they issued policy either way?

have they issued policy if they're wrong?

You didn't answer the question so I will. The answer is yes, there are two sides trying to affect policy. And yes, decisions are made by government that make up a direction all the time, such as pulling out of the Kyoto treaty. That is a government decision that affected the direction and was favorable to one side of the issue. I know you're just fucking with me on this and yes, I feel like a complete ass arguing the obvious while you crack another fosters and laugh at me

tu_holmes · « **Reply #70 on:** March 06, 2007, 02:04:49 AM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on March 06, 2007, 02:02:28 AM

the auto industry was a bad example...i like the phrase 'car plant'

all im saying is when there is policy based purely on the alleged global warming phenomenon then it will be a political mantle

Well, I will agree that when global warming is our only problem... we've got it made, however, I don't think it will be that way... there will always be many issues and we will have to solve them at the same time.

Personally, while i do like having a job, i don't want to fuck up the planet for it either.

Bigger Business · « **Reply #71 on:** March 06, 2007, 02:06:56 AM »

Bezerker

youre compulsion to assume im drinking is laughable.

i repeat: all im saying is when there is policy based purely on the alleged global warming phenomenon then it will be a political mantle

until then its a 'catch phrase not unlike the word 'terror'

tu_holmes · « **Reply #72 on:** March 06, 2007, 02:10:27 AM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on March 06, 2007, 02:06:56 AM

Bezerker

youre compulsion to assume im drinking is laughable.

i repeat: all im saying is when there is policy based purely on the alleged global warming phenomenon then it will be a political mantle

until then its a 'catch phrase not unlike the word 'terror'

Hey wait... but didn't Bush win his last election because he was the one who would "crack down on terror"?

Maybe it is a complete Mantle now... You've given me renewed hope.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #73 on:** March 06, 2007, 02:15:09 AM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on March 06, 2007, 02:02:28 AM

the auto industry was a bad example...i like the phrase 'car plant'

all im saying is when there is policy based purely on the alleged global warming phenomenon then it will be a political mantle

Here you go, a policy that involves the global warming argument. http://www.state.gov/g/oes/climate/
You just nullified your argument. Not only that, laws are passed on the city, state and federal level all the time taking the global warming model into consideration both for and against. Bush giving the energy companies a free ticket after he got in office, it's policy... How bush approches treaties like kyoto, it's policy.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #74 on:** March 06, 2007, 02:16:17 AM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on March 06, 2007, 02:06:56 AM

Bezerker

youre compulsion to assume im drinking is laughable.

i repeat: all im saying is when there is policy based purely on the alleged global warming phenomenon then it will be a political mantle

until then its a 'catch phrase not unlike the word 'terror'

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be a dick, I honestly thought you were fucking with me, you mean you're serious