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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #75 on: March 08, 2007, 10:04:27 PM »

Hahahahaha

Anyway, I like Bob. He's a straight shooter.

Thats why Apenis likes Bob.  Now he doesn't lose a drop after Bob shoots a load.

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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #76 on: March 08, 2007, 10:07:10 PM »
Dugdale is a Christian Bigot. He once said that he thinks all Arabs should be subjected to a Nuclear Blast.

He is a delusional Creationist.


Joe is an idiot. He believes in angels, fairys and thinks Unicorns grazed in fields with people and Dinosaurs.  Sorry, but you cannot take any Creationist serious when their level of intelligence regarding Science stops at a 1st grade level.


You would just find a way to discredit them somehow.
You alot like Evangelical Creationist Christians.  No matter what the truth and the EVIDENCE proves, you will always believe the opposite or formulate some sort of wacknut opinion.


Once again, Is that your fucking word of the day? 

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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #77 on: March 09, 2007, 12:27:23 AM »
shit Bob is Batman ?

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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #78 on: March 09, 2007, 01:45:18 AM »
What are you gay for him how many threads are you gonna make about this?

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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #79 on: March 09, 2007, 02:05:25 AM »
Monster kiss-ass from Adam.

Bob does a good job with PBW but that's as far as I've seen. Is he speaking at seminars to promote physical health? No. Is he making the 'rounds' like Jay Cutler is doing at health shops? Not that I see. Is he giving interviews in newspapers on what a BBer is all about? No.

He was in two TV shows for all of 30 seconds and hosts a radio show. More than alot of people do to promote the sport persay, but there are many more things to be done.

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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #80 on: March 09, 2007, 08:51:55 AM »
Hey TA you are BUCK65 Approved-means f*ckall right....?
Get overyourself-
Pretty sure Chic was underwhelmed getting your approval

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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #81 on: March 09, 2007, 10:58:06 AM »
evolution is factual. 

I always wondered why people would subscribe to a belief without proof, it is like children believeing in santa claus, only these are adults we are talking about.

evolution is not fact, relativity is not fact. your saying its a fact shows your ignorance. i beleive in evolution, its the best description we have at the moment. but it still has many unanswered questions.

such as why did the first bacteria, fromed from RNA, or PROTEIN(the chicken and egg question is still up for grabs) create or have in its genetics reproductive organs? reproduction is purposive, its a hard question and one that is still not answered.

abiogenesis is still wide open also. so its far from fact but is the best theory we have provided the evidence.

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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #82 on: March 09, 2007, 11:01:38 AM »
there is also a ton of very very smart creationist like demski and behe among many others.



yockley(not a christian) has questioned evolution using information theory, and its quite a good argument.

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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #83 on: March 09, 2007, 12:08:55 PM »
evolution is not fact, relativity is not fact. your saying its a fact shows your ignorance. i beleive in evolution, its the best description we have at the moment. but it still has many unanswered questions.

such as why did the first bacteria, fromed from RNA, or PROTEIN(the chicken and egg question is still up for grabs) create or have in its genetics reproductive organs? reproduction is purposive, its a hard question and one that is still not answered.

abiogenesis is still wide open also. so its far from fact but is the best theory we have provided the evidence.
Both are scientific theories, which are facts in all but name. It is a subtle but important distinction. The fact that you are making cavils about this reveals your own posturing and ignorance. You are impressing no one.

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« Reply #84 on: March 09, 2007, 12:28:27 PM »
Both are scientific theories, which are facts in all but name. It is a subtle but important distinction. The fact that you are making cavils about this reveals your own posturing and ignorance. You are impressing no one.

/everybody wants to be the smartest guy in the room, but no one wants to lift no heavy-ass books.

Unbelivable how brainwashed by christianity and lack of education many americans are.

Evolution is scientific. Creationism is not. I'll tell you why.

For something to be scientifik. It needs to be observed and proven with evidence. Like evolution is.

Creationism is not scientific. Its mythology. End of story.

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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #85 on: March 09, 2007, 12:31:37 PM »
Bob for sure is head and shoulders above any other guy out there...I would venture to guess that their are so many pros  jealous of this guy...

Look how Lee talked about him over the past two years, if thats not jealously i don't know what is...Bob probably makes three times what Lee brings in and it must eat him up...Along with alot of other competing pros...Their really is something to say about having some brains and knowing how to talk to people...

Today you have so many people that would kill to be in Bobs shoes...Alot of them were making fun of Bodybuilding.com just a few years ago and look what it has become now...

Bob has made some very smart moves in his career...You got to give him that...

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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #86 on: March 09, 2007, 12:33:22 PM »



Educate yourself.

Evolution is a Fact and a Theory
by Laurence Moran
Copyright © 1993-2002
[Last Update: January 22, 1993]


 When non-biologists talk about biological evolution they often confuse two different aspects of the definition. On the one hand there is the question of whether or not modern organisms have evolved from older ancestral organisms or whether modern species are continuing to change over time. On the other hand there are questions about the mechanism of the observed changes... how did evolution occur? Biologists consider the existence of biological evolution to be a fact. It can be demonstrated today and the historical evidence for its occurrence in the past is overwhelming. However, biologists readily admit that they are less certain of the exact mechanism of evolution; there are several theories of the mechanism of evolution. Stephen J. Gould has put this as well as anyone else:

In the American vernacular, "theory" often means "imperfect fact"--part of a hierarchy of confidence running downhill from fact to theory to hypothesis to guess. Thus the power of the creationist argument: evolution is "only" a theory and intense debate now rages about many aspects of the theory. If evolution is worse than a fact, and scientists can't even make up their minds about the theory, then what confidence can we have in it? Indeed, President Reagan echoed this argument before an evangelical group in Dallas when he said (in what I devoutly hope was campaign rhetoric): "Well, it is a theory. It is a scientific theory only, and it has in recent years been challenged in the world of science--that is, not believed in the scientific community to be as infallible as it once was."
Well evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.

Moreover, "fact" doesn't mean "absolute certainty"; there ain't no such animal in an exciting and complex world. The final proofs of logic and mathematics flow deductively from stated premises and achieve certainty only because they are not about the empirical world. Evolutionists make no claim for perpetual truth, though creationists often do (and then attack us falsely for a style of argument that they themselves favor). In science "fact" can only mean "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional consent." I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms.

Evolutionists have been very clear about this distinction of fact and theory from the very beginning, if only because we have always acknowledged how far we are from completely understanding the mechanisms (theory) by which evolution (fact) occurred. Darwin continually emphasized the difference between his two great and separate accomplishments: establishing the fact of evolution, and proposing a theory--natural selection--to explain the mechanism of evolution.

- Stephen J. Gould, " Evolution as Fact and Theory"; Discover, May 1981


Gould is stating the prevailing view of the scientific community. In other words, the experts on evolution consider it to be a fact. This is not an idea that originated with Gould as the following quotations indicate:
Let me try to make crystal clear what is established beyond reasonable doubt, and what needs further study, about evolution. Evolution as a process that has always gone on in the history of the earth can be doubted only by those who are ignorant of the evidence or are resistant to evidence, owing to emotional blocks or to plain bigotry. By contrast, the mechanisms that bring evolution about certainly need study and clarification. There are no alternatives to evolution as history that can withstand critical examination. Yet we are constantly learning new and important facts about evolutionary mechanisms.
- Theodosius Dobzhansky "Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution", American Biology Teacher vol. 35 (March 1973) reprinted in Evolution versus Creationism, J. Peter Zetterberg ed., ORYX Press, Phoenix AZ 1983

Also:
It is time for students of the evolutionary process, especially those who have been misquoted and used by the creationists, to state clearly that evolution is a fact, not theory, and that what is at issue within biology are questions of details of the process and the relative importance of different mechanisms of evolution. It is a fact that the earth with liquid water, is more than 3.6 billion years old. It is a fact that cellular life has been around for at least half of that period and that organized multicellular life is at least 800 million years old. It is a fact that major life forms now on earth were not at all represented in the past. There were no birds or mammals 250 million years ago. It is a fact that major life forms of the past are no longer living. There used to be dinosaurs and Pithecanthropus, and there are none now. It is a fact that all living forms come from previous living forms. Therefore, all present forms of life arose from ancestral forms that were different. Birds arose from nonbirds and humans from nonhumans. No person who pretends to any understanding of the natural world can deny these facts any more than she or he can deny that the earth is round, rotates on its axis, and revolves around the sun.
The controversies about evolution lie in the realm of the relative importance of various forces in molding evolution.

- R. C. Lewontin "Evolution/Creation Debate: A Time for Truth" Bioscience 31, 559 (1981) reprinted in Evolution versus Creationism, op cit.

This concept is also explained in introductory biology books that are used in colleges and universities (and in some of the better high schools). For example, in some of the best such textbooks we find:
Today, nearly all biologists acknowledge that evolution is a fact. The term theory is no longer appropriate except when referring to the various models that attempt to explain how life evolves... it is important to understand that the current questions about how life evolves in no way implies any disagreement over the fact of evolution.
- Neil A. Campbell, Biology 2nd ed., 1990, Benjamin/Cummings, p. 434

Also:
Since Darwin's time, massive additional evidence has accumulated supporting the fact of evolution--that all living organisms present on earth today have arisen from earlier forms in the course of earth's long history. Indeed, all of modern biology is an affirmation of this relatedness of the many species of living things and of their gradual divergence from one another over the course of time. Since the publication of The Origin of Species, the important question, scientifically speaking, about evolution has not been whether it has taken place. That is no longer an issue among the vast majority of modern biologists. Today, the central and still fascinating questions for biologists concern the mechanisms by which evolution occurs.
- Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes, Biology 5th ed. 1989, Worth Publishers, p. 972

One of the best introductory books on evolution (as opposed to introductory biology) is that by Douglas J. Futuyma, and he makes the following comment:
A few words need to be said about the "theory of evolution," which most people take to mean the proposition that organisms have evolved from common ancestors. In everyday speech, "theory" often means a hypothesis or even a mere speculation. But in science, "theory" means "a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles, or causes of something known or observed." as the Oxford English Dictionary defines it. The theory of evolution is a body of interconnected statements about natural selection and the other processes that are thought to cause evolution, just as the atomic theory of chemistry and the Newtonian theory of mechanics are bodies of statements that describe causes of chemical and physical phenomena. In contrast, the statement that organisms have descended with modifications from common ancestors--the historical reality of evolution--is not a theory. It is a fact, as fully as the fact of the earth's revolution about the sun. Like the heliocentric solar system, evolution began as a hypothesis, and achieved "facthood" as the evidence in its favor became so strong that no knowledgeable and unbiased person could deny its reality. No biologist today would think of submitting a paper entitled "New evidence for evolution;" it simply has not been an issue for a century.
- Douglas J. Futuyma, Evolutionary Biology, 2nd ed., 1986, Sinauer Associates, p. 15

There are readers of these newsgroups who reject evolution for religious reasons. In general these readers oppose both the fact of evolution and theories of mechanisms, although some anti-evolutionists have come to realize that there is a difference between the two concepts. That is why we see some leading anti-evolutionists admitting to the fact of "microevolution"--they know that evolution can be demonstrated. These readers will not be convinced of the "facthood" of (macro)evolution by any logical argument and it is a waste of time to make the attempt. The best that we can hope for is that they understand the argument that they oppose. Even this simple hope is rarely fulfilled.
There are some readers who are not anti-evolutionist but still claim that evolution is "only" a theory which can't be proven. This group needs to distinguish between the fact that evolution occurs and the theory of the mechanism of evolution.

We also need to distinguish between facts that are easy to demonstrate and those that are more circumstantial. Examples of evolution that are readily apparent include the fact that modern populations are evolving and the fact that two closely related species share a common ancestor. The evidence that Homo sapiens and chimpanzees share a recent common ancestor falls into this category. There is so much evidence in support of this aspect of primate evolution that it qualifies as a fact by any common definition of the word "fact."

In other cases the available evidence is less strong. For example, the relationships of some of the major phyla are still being worked out. Also, the statement that all organisms have descended from a single common ancestor is strongly supported by the available evidence, and there is no opposing evidence. However, it is not yet appropriate to call this a "fact" since there are reasonable alternatives.

Finally, there is an epistemological argument against evolution as fact. Some readers of these newsgroups point out that nothing in science can ever be "proven" and this includes evolution. According to this argument, the probability that evolution is the correct explanation of life as we know it may approach 99.9999...9% but it will never be 100%. Thus evolution cannot be a fact. This kind of argument might be appropriate in a philosophy class (it is essentially correct) but it won't do in the real world. A "fact," as Stephen J. Gould pointed out (see above), means something that is so highly probable that it would be silly not to accept it. This point has also been made by others who contest the nit-picking epistemologists.

The honest scientist, like the philosopher, will tell you that nothing whatever can be or has been proved with fully 100% certainty, not even that you or I exist, nor anyone except himself, since he might be dreaming the whole thing. Thus there is no sharp line between speculation, hypothesis, theory, principle, and fact, but only a difference along a sliding scale, in the degree of probability of the idea. When we say a thing is a fact, then, we only mean that its probability is an extremely high one: so high that we are not bothered by doubt about it and are ready to act accordingly. Now in this use of the term fact, the only proper one, evolution is a fact. For the evidence in favor of it is as voluminous, diverse, and convincing as in the case of any other well established fact of science concerning the existence of things that cannot be directly seen, such as atoms, neutrons, or solar gravitation ....
So enormous, ramifying, and consistent has the evidence for evolution become that if anyone could now disprove it, I should have my conception of the orderliness of the universe so shaken as to lead me to doubt even my own existence. If you like, then, I will grant you that in an absolute sense evolution is not a fact, or rather, that it is no more a fact than that you are hearing or reading these words.

- H. J. Muller, "One Hundred Years Without Darwin Are Enough" School Science and Mathematics 59, 304-305. (1959) reprinted in Evolution versus Creationism op cit.

In any meaningful sense evolution is a fact, but there are various theories concerning the mechanism of evolution.

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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #87 on: March 09, 2007, 12:36:11 PM »
Evolution is a fact.

Just like Einstein`s theory of gravity is a fact.

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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #88 on: March 09, 2007, 12:44:09 PM »
Some people are not worth lecturing Adam. Mr. Intensome probably had christian parents.  Went church every every sunday since childhood getting his weekly brainwash.

duuuuuh God snapped his fingers and made man.  ::)

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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #89 on: March 09, 2007, 02:00:13 PM »
Evolution is a fact.

Just like Einstein`s theory of gravity is a fact.
I agree with you here 100%, TA. *Picks self up off the floor* You are correct. The point I was trying to make to Mr. usmokepole was that his idea of 'theory,' what Gould calls the 'vernacular' (or demotic, I guess) is not how it is defined by the scientific community. This is where the creationists fark it up and try to sway the gullible.

/met mr. gould years ago. man, talk about intelligent. this rumpled, easy-going fellow was one of a handful of guys who i've met who were/are beyond smart. he would make a polymath feel limited by his knowledge. simply brilliant.   

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« Reply #90 on: March 09, 2007, 02:06:12 PM »
I agree with you here 100%, TA. *Picks self up off the floor* You are correct. The point I was trying to make to Mr. usmokepole was that his idea of 'theory,' what Gould calls the 'vernacular' (or demotic, I guess) is not how it is defined by the scientific community. This is where the creationists fark it up and try to sway the gullible.

/met mr. gould years ago. man, talk about intelligent. this rumpled, easy-going fellow was one of a handful of guys who i've met who were/are beyond smart. he would make a polymath feel limited by his knowledge. simply brilliant.   

Yah that was meant for the Usmokepole guy who simply has a complete misunderstanding of Science and the champions of it.


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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #91 on: March 09, 2007, 02:50:25 PM »
Evolution is a fact.

Just like Einstein`s theory of gravity is a fact.

For hundreds of thousands of years humans sat in their own shit basically...Then for the past 6000 years or so they were able to build elaborate structures and use technical writings...Thats is not natural evolution..Their was diff/a helping hand...Which most likely came for an intelligent life form...But certainly not god...We were made test tubes  for the purpose of slave labor IMOP...

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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #92 on: March 09, 2007, 03:49:09 PM »
where does TA find this shit?
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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #93 on: March 09, 2007, 06:38:08 PM »
For an educated guy, Adonis, you really should be able to spell Chick's name correctly.

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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #94 on: March 09, 2007, 06:55:47 PM »
WARNING



Dear Get Big,

  You're about to discover the most delusional and pathological liar on the internet today.  This man is claiming to have developed principles of diet programs fitness models for bodybuilders to reach single digit body fat levels.  Now on top of that he will private message and tell you for a fee he will get you into shape.

  Over the past 9 years, through a long and painstaking process of trial, error, Adonis has done only a internet bodybuilding show and took second place. Now he asks for money because he's claiming to have a surefire system for losing body fat,  based on  no known education or training in nutrition or competitive bodybuilding experience with in the fitness industry.


   The True Adonis is a grifter on the internet, who will manipulate the web community and find a mark into his tricks or dishonest plan. Sometimes Adonis will rely on naive individuals who put their confidence in to his schemes, such as "too good to be true" claims. It may take months for the wider community to discover that such claims are bogus, and usually it is too late, as many people have lost time and money.



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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #95 on: March 09, 2007, 07:36:09 PM »
I have to say that Bob Chick is probably THE best IFBB bodybuilder when it comes to representing himself and the sport.  I don`t think anyone else can really even come close to matching him.

Think about it.  Who else would there be?  Most have trouble completing a sentence, let alone formulating intelligent thoughts.

Bob Chick, I salute you.  You are Adonis Approved.
as bob said to me at the nationals, adonis is a jackass.

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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #96 on: March 09, 2007, 07:51:07 PM »
Evolution is a fact? I can accept that.

Did God design evolution?

Sounds like a good engineering concept.
The answer is "yes".

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« Reply #97 on: March 09, 2007, 10:14:16 PM »
Evolution is a fact? I can accept that.

Did God design evolution?

Sounds like a good engineering concept.

People often say that God is so beyond our comprehension that their is no way we could fathom what he is all about...Well us humans are only using approx/10% of our brains and we already have the gene code cracked and understand alot of the universe...We probably could cure any disease we wanted to but chose not to for population control and capitalist reasons...

Seems like we are hardly the work of some great god...Hell we can now clone human beings and any animal on the planet.. And to intelligent life forms on other planets we are probably seen as fcking retarded...

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« Reply #98 on: March 09, 2007, 10:36:03 PM »
where does TA find this shit?
Shit? 

Please educate yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

TA talks alot of shit but this time it's not.

The theory of evoluion the worlds most accepted theory on the origin of life...

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Re: BOB CHICHERILLO: I applaud you!
« Reply #99 on: March 10, 2007, 07:04:47 AM »
I agree with you here 100%, TA. *Picks self up off the floor* You are correct. The point I was trying to make to Mr. usmokepole was that his idea of 'theory,' what Gould calls the 'vernacular' (or demotic, I guess) is not how it is defined by the scientific community. This is where the creationists fark it up and try to sway the gullible.

/met mr. gould years ago. man, talk about intelligent. this rumpled, easy-going fellow was one of a handful of guys who i've met who were/are beyond smart. he would make a polymath feel limited by his knowledge. simply brilliant.   

hmmm i love it when pseduintellects always question me on this site about matters of science and end up looking like idiot.


please show me how theories are fact, so i guess super psi is fact because its a theory and conscious implicate order is fact because its also a theory, please explain how theories are in fact, FACTS.

fact
a concept whose truth can be proved. evolution cannot be taken into the lab. in fact they have tried, with drosophilia subjected to more radition(mutations) then all of human exsistence with no beneficial mutations. there have also been other studies with similar findings. macro evolution cannot be observed, micro yes to a degree. is evolution a  fact, i think it might be (however, the framwork is not 100% there). the fact that lower life forms evolved, natural selection etc.. however, which thoery of evolution is correct? punctuated equilibria,neo-darwinism, conscious enfolding, software/hardware etc... many have different theories. francis collins, head of the genome project and christian also beleives in evolution and thinks the evidence is overwhelming, but says its not pure hard fact, that evolution may be part of a bigger scheme. theories contain many facts, like natural selection, adaptation, but evolution is not fact as a theory, there is too many competing theories.


dr chimps in your own words please tell me which theory is fact, and how many theories of evolution can be fact all at the same time. you were talking to gould a proponent against neo-darwinism. so it should be easy.