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Gay genocide... through science!
« on: March 08, 2007, 01:48:32 PM »
"If a biological basis is found, and if a prenatal test is then developed, and if a successful treatment to reverse the sexual orientation to heterosexual is ever developed, we would support its use"

http://www.almohler.com/blog_read.php?id=891

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Re: Gay genocide... through science!
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2007, 02:45:06 PM »
"If a biological basis is found, and if a prenatal test is then developed, and if a successful treatment to reverse the sexual orientation to heterosexual is ever developed, we would support its use"

http://www.almohler.com/blog_read.php?id=891

Don't you have to actually kill people for there to be "genocide"? 

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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2007, 02:50:37 PM »
Don't you have to actually kill people for there to be "genocide"? 

This is the equivalent of sterilizing every black person in the world so there won't be any more black people.

In the face of such overwhelming moral horror, I'm not inclined to bandy definitions.

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Re: Gay genocide... through science!
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2007, 02:53:26 PM »
We should all just show our penises to every male possible during a every rain storm.

We could call it "national heterosexual affirmation day" or we could call it "Wet Willie Day"

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Re: Gay genocide... through science!
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2007, 02:54:28 PM »
This is the equivalent of sterilizing every black person in the world so there won't be any more black people.

In the face of such overwhelming moral horror, I'm not inclined to bandy definitions.

O.K.  So whether or not "genocide" actually means killing people is just a matter of semantics . . . to you.   :-\

And the race/homosexuality comparison doesn't work.  

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Re: Gay genocide... through science!
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2007, 03:06:28 PM »
So whether or not "genocide" actually means killing people is just a matter of semantics . . . to you.

Taking deliberate action to insure that a group of people who exist now will not exist in the future...

Call it whatever the fuck you like.

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Re: Gay genocide... through science!
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2007, 03:11:24 PM »
Taking deliberate action to insure that a group of people who exist now will not exist in the future...

Call it whatever the fuck you like.

lol.  That is precisely what you are doing. 

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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2007, 03:14:53 PM »
lol.  That is precisely what you are doing. 

I'm fascinated. Let's hear the Bum-Approved term for this brave program of theirs.

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Re: Gay genocide... through science!
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2007, 03:32:10 PM »
I'm fascinated. Let's hear the Bum-Approved term for this brave program of theirs.

Oh that's a hard one.  Let's see . . . not genocide.   ::)

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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2007, 03:36:53 PM »
Oh that's a hard one.  Let's see . . . not genocide.   ::)

Is that your final answer? "Not genocide"?

Fine. Thanks for playing.

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Re: Gay genocide... through science!
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2007, 03:38:35 PM »
How many couples would have a gay child on purpose?

Please don't try equating gays with blacks, chinese, etc... they are not a seperate race.

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Re: Gay genocide... through science!
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2007, 04:22:37 PM »
That is a provocative idea, but not necessarily a new one.  The impulse to eliminate a homosexual population is tempting, but it could backfire in ways we cannot yet imagine.  I’ll make my point with an analogy.

Due to recent technological innovation it is now possible to preselect the sex of an unborn child.  Through genetic testing it is also possible to screen embryos for a number of illnesses that have a genetic basis or predisposition (such as cystic fibrosis, diabetes, colon, breast cancer, and many other illnesses) which may develop later in life.  As of right now, this screening can take place when an embryo is as small as eight-cells in a petri dish.  This screening is called preimplantation genetic diagnosis, or P.G.D. and it has been available for about 10 years.  You can read an article about it here http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/03/health/03gene.web.html?ex=1173502800&en=de323c864d6562f5&ei=5070

As our technology advances we are able to screen for more and more potential “problems” in embryos and increasing numbers of couples are taking advantage of this technology.  I put that word in quotation marks because sometimes Nature has a reason for introducing what we think of as a “problem” and using new technology to eliminate some of those “problems” may result in much bigger problems down the road that we cannot anticipate.

PGD is still in its infancy.  We are starting to learn that genes and mutations that cause certain illnesses also have benefits that we either do not yet understand or would not want to live without.  We have recently learned, for example, that a mutation of the CCR5 gene -- called "delta 32” renders the carrier immune to HIV.  People who have this mutation cannot contract the HIV virus even when they are exposed to it in the usual ways.  Obviously, studying this population and their genetic make up is one angle researchers are pursuing . . .

It is a good thing that we have discovered this when we did, because if given a choice, many people might elect to screen out what they thought were defective or mutated genes in their embryos without really understanding the future implications of doing so.

My point is simply this: Nature knows what it is doing.

We may not always like it, but it generates and mutates genes for reasons we cannot always immediately understand.  We shouldn’t be quick to interfere with this.  Similarly, Nature has decided that for some reason, a certain percentage of the population should be homosexual.  We may not like it because of social or religious reasons, but the fact is Nature has been producing a homosexual population since mankind has existed.  It has done so in the animal kingdom as well.  Nature has a reason for doing this.  The fact that we do not yet understand that reason does not mean we should try to solve a “problem” that Nature has decided should exist.

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Re: Gay genocide... through science!
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2007, 04:35:47 PM »
Nature has decided that for some reason, a certain percentage of the population should be homosexual.

Oh, didn't you get the word from Beach Bum yet?

It's not biological. It's a lifestyle choice. 

Hope this helps.

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Re: Gay genocide... through science!
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2007, 04:45:07 PM »
Here's a question:

If we modify this gene aren't we tampering with "GOD"'s creation?

 ;D

would the same people who are against stem cell research be against that?

would the same people who are against abortion be against that?

would the same people who are against selective breeding be against that?

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Re: Gay genocide... through science!
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2007, 04:51:05 PM »
Here's a question:

If we modify this gene aren't we tampering with "GOD"'s creation?

 ;D

would the same people who are against stem cell research be against that?

would the same people who are against abortion be against that?

would the same people who are against selective breeding be against that?

There's no point in asking bigots for intellectual consistency - even as a rhetorical gesture.

They hate queers. That's about as much insight as they bring to the issue.

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Re: Gay genocide... through science!
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2007, 04:52:37 PM »
Bay,

I have a question for you. You're an openly gay man, at least on these boards. When you were a little boy did you shower with your father and did he show you his penis? Also, did he have you pound a square peg into a square hole?

You see according to Dr. Dobson your father did neither of those things because they prevent homosexuality and as we all know, you're a homosexual.

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Re: Gay genocide... through science!
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2007, 04:55:42 PM »
There's no point in asking bigots for intellectual consistency - even as a rhetorical gesture.

They hate queers. That's about as much insight as they bring to the issue.

BB, is not a bigot.  he's just really close minded about the origins of homosexuality.

He has his beliefs about it,  he believes people choose to do something that would make their skin crawl. Or in a Bi-sexual's case he believes they choose to gain pleasure from both male and females.

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Re: Gay genocide... through science!
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2007, 04:56:40 PM »
Mohler makes it clear in his last paragraph that Christians have to be careful about painting themselves into a corner and focus on the real issue which is that being gay is a sin. Then again, it was easy for him to be straight - his Dad had a massive penis which he used to help affirm his sons maleness

10. Christians must be very careful not to claim that science can never prove a biological basis for sexual orientation. We can and must insist that no scientific finding can change the basic sinfulness of all homosexual behavior. The general trend of the research points to at least some biological factors behind sexual attraction, gender identity, and sexual orientation. This does not alter God's moral verdict on homosexual sin (or heterosexual sin, for that matter), but it does hold some promise that a deeper knowledge of homosexuality and its cause will allow for more effective ministries to those who struggle with this particular pattern of temptation. If such knowledge should ever be discovered, we should embrace it and use it for the greater good of humanity and for the greater glory of God.

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Re: Gay genocide... through science!
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2007, 05:02:32 PM »
When you were a little boy did you shower with your father and did he show you his penis? Also, did he have you pound a square peg into a square hole?

That really made your day, didn't it.  :)

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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2007, 05:11:06 PM »
That really made your day, didn't it.  :)

It would be nice to get a little perspective from the homosexual community. Bay can speak with authority on the subject so I thought perhaps he could lend some insight.

If you think I'm beating a dead horse so to speak I'll give it up.


But it's soooooooooooo easy.

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Re: Gay genocide... through science!
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2007, 05:16:52 PM »
Is that your final answer? "Not genocide"?

Fine. Thanks for playing.

That's my final answer.  As I tell my kids, I'm not going to think for you.  You made a rather absurd comment.  I'm not going to figure out  how to make your point for you. 

Well . . . if you really want me to I will, but I'll have to send you a bill.   :)   

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Re: Gay genocide... through science!
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2007, 05:33:38 PM »
BB, is not a bigot.  he's just really close minded about the origins of homosexuality.

He has his beliefs about it,  he believes people choose to do something that would make their skin crawl. Or in a Bi-sexual's case he believes they choose to gain pleasure from both male and females.

True I'm not a bigot, but I'm not close-minded.  Aside from that conspiracy nonsense, you know I will read pretty much any link or story you or anyone else posts (if asked).  If you have an article, etc. you'd like to share that provides proof of this "homosexuality is genetic" argument, I'll be happy to read it. 

And I disagree with your characterization about people engaging in conduct that makes their skin crawl.  Aren't they engaging in conduct they enjoy?  It's the people who don't engage in that kind of conduct who might think its gross. 

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Re: Gay genocide... through science!
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2007, 05:37:23 PM »
  I'm not going to figure out  how to make your point for you.   

I'd have been satisfied if you'd figured out a way of making a point of your own.  :)

Instead, your contribution to this thread has been: 1) "Is that your definition?", 2) "I don't agree with your definition", 3) "I'm rubber and you're glue", 4) "I don't agree with your definition", 5) "I'm not going to bother giving my own definition."

You've been a wonderful contestant. We have a box of Rice-a-Roni for you as a parting gift.  ::)

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Re: Gay genocide... through science!
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2007, 05:49:26 PM »
True I'm not a bigot, but I'm not close-minded.  Aside from that conspiracy nonsense, you know I will read pretty much any link or story you or anyone else posts (if asked).  If you have an article, etc. you'd like to share that provides proof of this "homosexuality is genetic" argument, I'll be happy to read it. 

And I disagree with your characterization about people engaging in conduct that makes their skin crawl.  Aren't they engaging in conduct they enjoy?  It's the people who don't engage in that kind of conduct who might think its gross. 


I'm talking about them engaging in conduct they don't enjoy with a person of the same or opposite sex.  Why would someone choose to do that?

You are right you are not close minded.  Opinionated would have been a better word.   sorry  ;)

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Re: Gay genocide... through science!
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2007, 05:56:06 PM »
Here's a question:

If we modify this gene aren't we tampering with "GOD"'s creation?

 ;D

would the same people who are against stem cell research be against that?

would the same people who are against abortion be against that?

would the same people who are against selective breeding be against that?

Opponents of stem cell are hypocrites. 

Research with stem cells IS eventually going to go forward and treatments will be derived from it.  And when they become available the opponents of stem cell research will be the first in line to demand access to the treatments they didn’t want to fund the research for.  ::)