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« Reply #50 on: March 10, 2007, 06:37:01 AM »
Carb cycling works ! I go low carbs on my cardio days (under 100 grams) and eat more carbs on my workout days (150 grams).  Not as extreme as you, I have lost 5 pounds in the last 2 weeks -  nice and gradual.

Hell yeah man that's awesome. I put on weight really easy. So I've got to watch my input. 100grams of carbs? I take it you keep your fats low?  ??? I didn't really worry about my fats too much because I want my body to be looking to them as the fuel source instead of zero fat and zero carb where it ravages every fucking muscle in the body for energy. Nice and gradual is right. I'm told that's the way to do it to minimize muscle loss. Right now I'm 223 this morning and my doc says I'm at 13%. Not stellar, but getting there. Hopefully I'll be about 10-11% by the end of march.

At what times of the day are you loading your carbs when you take them in?

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« Reply #51 on: March 10, 2007, 06:44:39 AM »
I thought you destroyed TA already "al" ?     ::)

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« Reply #52 on: March 10, 2007, 06:55:53 AM »
agree that low carb diets suck, I tried it once and I regret it. I have never been one to have issues with food. I dont get cravings, I can pass on desert, no problem. Dont have an addictive personality at all. No issues with food at all. Never understood the problems the people have sticking to diets. I thought they were undisiplined and cry babies. 

Then I decided to do the Atkins thing, first 'diet' in my life, big mistake. I cut out a lot of carbs and next thing you know I was craving chocolate cake out of the blue, and I never even ate it much before. I thought I was going crazy. I  became obsessed with carbs. My cravings were getting in the way of my day, I couldn't think straight. For the first time I understood what it meant to be addicted to something. I felt sorry for all the people that live with cravings, food or anything else. It was just awful. And the worst part is when I went back to a normal diet I still had the cravings. Its been a year now and I am finally getting back to normal. The diet screwed me up and I will never do any kind of specific type dieting where one food is left out. Once you fuck with your body like that it is hard to get back to normal.


If you want to lose weight fast than I feel there is no better diet than low carbs.  I have personally eaten low carb (lean meats and protein sources, vegetables, and very little nuts and blueberries) and dropped 20 something pounds in a month.  

The benefit of this diet was being able to eat until full thanks to the vegetables, but the cravings for carb foods eventually wears you down and makes you give in.

TA's diet would likely make you stop eating without getting full at all.  It would be difficult to stop after 1 cheeseburger or a 1/4 cup of ice cream meal after meal.

I believe the best diet would be a combination of the two.  Try to eat only lean protein sources, vegetables, fruits, etc and when you do have the strong cravings to go out and have one quarterpounder or a 1/2 cup of ice cream or something.  Or allow yourself 6 servings (could be any number) of low calorie, unhealthy, carb meals like a quarterpounder  a week and not go over this number - kind of like the weight watcher point system, but you only have to keep track of the number of cheat meals and not everything you eat.

The keys to this diet are to make sure your healthy meals are truly healthy and to make sure your cheat meals don't go over 500 calories or some arbitrary self chosen caloric limit.

If you eat healthy 80 to 90 percent of the time you will probably be healthy.  Unhealthy people eat unhealthy meals 90% of the time and usually have other destructive vices like alcohol and cigerettes and the like.

the problem with most dieters and bodybuilders and myself included is that we tend to take things to extremes.  If we are dieting then gosh darn it we ain't going to eat a single bad food and not going over 2000 calories and this is a setup for failure.








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« Reply #53 on: March 10, 2007, 07:13:06 AM »
If you want to lose weight fast than I feel there is no better diet than low carbs.  I have personally eaten low carb (lean meats and protein sources, vegetables, and very little nuts and blueberries) and dropped 20 something pounds in a month.  

The benefit of this diet was being able to eat until full thanks to the vegetables, but the cravings for carb foods eventually wears you down and makes you give in.

TA's diet would likely make you stop eating without getting full at all.  It would be difficult to stop after 1 cheeseburger or a 1/4 cup of ice cream meal after meal.

I believe the best diet would be a combination of the two.  Try to eat only lean protein sources, vegetables, fruits, etc and when you do have the strong cravings to go out and have one quarterpounder or a 1/2 cup of ice cream or something.  Or allow yourself 6 servings (could be any number) of low calorie, unhealthy, carb meals like a quarterpounder  a week and not go over this number - kind of like the weight watcher point system, but you only have to keep track of the number of cheat meals and not everything you eat.

The keys to this diet are to make sure your healthy meals are truly healthy and to make sure your cheat meals don't go over 500 calories or some arbitrary self chosen caloric limit.

If you eat healthy 80 to 90 percent of the time you will probably be healthy.  Unhealthy people eat unhealthy meals 90% of the time and usually have other destructive vices like alcohol and cigerettes and the like.

the problem with most dieters and bodybuilders and myself included is that we tend to take things to extremes.  If we are dieting then gosh darn it we ain't going to eat a single bad food and not going over 2000 calories and this is a setup for failure.









I believe that's called healthy eating...no big secret there.  ;) ;D

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« Reply #54 on: March 10, 2007, 07:22:02 AM »
Hell yeah man that's awesome. I put on weight really easy. So I've got to watch my input. 100grams of carbs? I take it you keep your fats low?  ??? I didn't really worry about my fats too much because I want my body to be looking to them as the fuel source instead of zero fat and zero carb where it ravages every fucking muscle in the body for energy. Nice and gradual is right. I'm told that's the way to do it to minimize muscle loss. Right now I'm 223 this morning and my doc says I'm at 13%. Not stellar, but getting there. Hopefully I'll be about 10-11% by the end of march.

At what times of the day are you loading your carbs when you take them in?

I don't worry about fat at all - but I would sat they are approx 40 - 50 grams per day :D all my fats are from Olive/flax plus a few eggs/nuts...I take my carbs at breakfast and about 1.5 hrs before training and 1 hour after training...I then eat green veggies at lunch and supper...
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« Reply #55 on: March 10, 2007, 07:22:24 AM »
I guess its about finding the least amount of carbs you can eat without getting cravings. But once you get the cravings they don't leave for a while.

Anyone know whats the deal with fruit? Is it a simple sugar of complex. I wonder if eating fruit is really unhealthy. Might as well just eat sugar foods and a vitamin c tablet right?

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« Reply #56 on: March 10, 2007, 07:33:03 AM »
I don't worry about fat at all - but I would sat they are approx 40 - 50 grams per day :D all my fats are from Olive/flax plus a few eggs/nuts...I take my carbs at breakfast and about 1.5 hrs before training and 1 hour after training...I then eat green veggies at lunch and supper...

I thought about taking some in at breakfast but I figured i'd burn more fat If i did it pre and post workout and hit ketosis faster. Yeah if you eat up those hearty greens, you'll feel full just like you would on carbs without the bloat.

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« Reply #57 on: March 10, 2007, 07:34:30 AM »
i dont see why anyone would diet unless they were competing... everyone makes this so complex,,, just eat balanced meals, protein, carbs and fats and adjust them accordongly to accumplish whatever your tryin to do... last time i competed i was having 120g sweet potatoe 7 times per day and was still shredded,,, better to feed the machine and do extra work than starve imo

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« Reply #58 on: March 10, 2007, 07:35:09 AM »
I guess its about finding the least amount of carbs you can eat without getting cravings. But once you get the cravings they don't leave for a while.

Anyone know whats the deal with fruit? Is it a simple sugar of complex. I wonder if eating fruit is really unhealthy. Might as well just eat sugar foods and a vitamin c tablet right?

Yeah that's the case with fruit but it's got alot of good shit in it and it's unprocessed. Fresh anyway. You should try chowing down on some freshpinapple. That shits tasty! This is what I would suggest when it comes to finding the "carb threshold" Where you find out what keeps you in ketosis and what kicks you out. Get DEEP into ketosis for a few days then slowly bring the carbs up. If you start gaining weight again, back off. If you're still losing, bring it up about 10 carbs every few days.

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« Reply #59 on: March 10, 2007, 07:40:07 AM »
i dont see why anyone would diet unless they were competing... everyone makes this so complex,,, just eat balanced meals, protein, carbs and fats and adjust them accordongly to accumplish whatever your tryin to do... last time i competed i was having 120g sweet potatoe 7 times per day and was still shredded,,, better to feed the machine and do extra work than starve imo

You can diet and not starve. What gave you that idea?  But you're right. If you do it right to begin with you won't have to diet. But when it comes to putting on size and muscle mass easily, you've got to put the food down and that means you're going to gain some fat to, so a cutting diet has it's place just like everything else.   If you're just trying to stay fit and don't really care about this or that, then yeah a well balanced diet is what you need to do. OBVIOUSLY. Some of our time schedules dont' permit the kind of extra work it would take for me to cover 7 sweet potatoes, other foods, and still cut. It's all about finding out what works for you. Diet is just another form of training, just like trying new routines, etc. Get what works for you and go with it. I don't starve and I'm dieting. I eat typically 8-9 pieces of chicken, 8 eggs or more whole eggs, veggies til I puke, and when i'm sick of chicken...I normally eat about 4 lean steaks a day. If you're eating every couple of hours like you should be anyway, you won't feel hungry at all.

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« Reply #60 on: March 10, 2007, 08:14:58 AM »
Yeah that's the case with fruit but it's got alot of good shit in it and it's unprocessed. Fresh anyway. You should try chowing down on some freshpinapple. That shits tasty! This is what I would suggest when it comes to finding the "carb threshold" Where you find out what keeps you in ketosis and what kicks you out. Get DEEP into ketosis for a few days then slowly bring the carbs up. If you start gaining weight again, back off. If you're still losing, bring it up about 10 carbs every few days.

whats ketosis? I'm to lazy to google it.

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« Reply #61 on: March 10, 2007, 08:19:53 AM »
when your body turns to using fat for fuel instead of carbs.

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« Reply #62 on: March 10, 2007, 08:25:56 AM »
whats ketosis? I'm to lazy to google it.

Here's the short version:

Most cells in your body can use either glucose (carbs) or free fatty acids for energy. Your brain can't. It must have glucose to function, although it can partially adapt to using ketone bodies which can be produced by the liver from fat.  Your brain's glucose requirement is ~100g of carbs a day.  If you eat less than that, and your glycogen (carb) storage in the liver is depleted, your brain won't have enough glucose to function.  In the short term, the body creates additional glucose from protein via glucogenesis, but in the long-term it makes a metabolic shift by producing ketones from fat for the brain to use, sparing muscle protein and allowing you to pretty much run on all fat at very low calorie levels.  When your liver is producing ketones, you are said to be "in ketosis".
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« Reply #63 on: March 10, 2007, 08:27:36 AM »
Anyone know whats the deal with fruit? Is it a simple sugar of complex. I wonder if eating fruit is really unhealthy. Might as well just eat sugar foods and a vitamin c tablet right?

It tastes good, and will help you shit...eat it  :P


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« Reply #64 on: March 10, 2007, 08:28:25 AM »
Here's the short version:

Most cells in your body can use either glucose (carbs) or free fatty acids for energy. Your brain can't. It must have glucose to function, although it can partially adapt to using ketone bodies which can be produced by the liver from fat.  Your brain's glucose requirement is ~100g of carbs a day.  If you eat less than that, and your glycogen (carb) storage in the liver is depleted, your brain won't have enough glucose to function.  In the short term, the body creates additional glucose from protein via glucogenesis, but in the long-tern it makes a metabolic shift by producing ketones from fat for the brain to use, sparing muscle protein and allowing you to pretty much run on all fat at very low calorie levels.  When your liver is producing ketones, you are said to be "in ketosis".

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« Reply #65 on: March 10, 2007, 08:41:49 AM »
thanks but it sounds dangerous. How long can one go in this state?

also what is 100g of carbs approx...llike one bowl of pasta?

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« Reply #66 on: March 10, 2007, 08:47:20 AM »
thanks but it sounds dangerous. How long can one go in this state?

also what is 100g of carbs approx...llike one bowl of pasta?


two bowls would cover it. 100 carbs isn't alot. Dont' worry about it being too dangerous. If it was bad, you'd be hearing people sueing the ass of anything atkins related or low carb anything. I would say try it and see how it makes you feel I feel fine. Normally you'll tire faster but that's all I've seen. There have been one or two times where I felt light headed and super weak in which case I took down some juice and wheat bread to get me back in gear but that hasn't happened since I keep a steady supply of food in me.

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« Reply #67 on: March 10, 2007, 09:03:03 AM »
Again.
"Well, it works like this. I have come up with a formula that determines down to the exact limit of how much heat I release in a closed system. I have come up with this formula based solely on each individuals performance so Anyone is capable of doing this.

Here is a before and after. I haver ALWAYS been a hard trainer and have used conventional methods in the past regarding diet. I have gotten lean on the typical bodybuilder diet, but I also got WEAKER,more tired,felt awful and not to mention it is inconvenient,not economical or practical.

I got fat eating Chicken Breast and Oatmeal and eating clean, I got Ripped eating, Ice Cream and Krispy Kreme.

The idea of eating 700 lbs of meat(350 grams of protein a day for a year) to build about 48 ounces of muscle(about the lifetime natural limit`s average muscle building potential) is just an inefficient waste of heat energy. The body is an effecient processor and science dictates that eating in this manner is futile and pointless. This being based on the conversion of energy. It simply makes zero sense to put in 700 lbs of potential energy to convert into 48 ounces of a different form of stored potential energy. It does not add up!
Matter can neither be created nor destroyed so as you can see, most of this 700 lbs is just wasted potential energy.

Now my equation can be utilized by anyone to be whatever Bodyfat their heart desires at any given time. This means anyone can also hold whatever conditioning they want indefinitely since they know their heat values. They can adjust accordingly at any moment up or down to manipulate fat storage.....You can essentially pick a single date on the calendar and to the DAY, determine EXACTLY what bodyfat you will be.

I also do no cardio and lift about 3 or 4 days a week.

The best part is, you do this by eating whatever your heart desires. I like Burger King,Krispy Kreme,Cake and Cookies and Pizza. So that is what I eat. I also eat off the Food Network. And my favorite, Ice Cream! Everyday! hahah MY girlfriend is one hell of a cook and we like to pick up specials from the fish market as well. The choices are limitless....Whatever you want."
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where do you get this fake assed number of 48 ounces of muscle?

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« Reply #68 on: March 10, 2007, 09:27:14 AM »
thanks but it sounds dangerous. How long can one go in this state?


Forever, if desired.


Unlike protein and essential fatty acids, carbohydrates are not an essential nutrient.  The Eskimos survive on a ketogenic diet consisting exclusively of seal meat and blubber their entire lives and tend to be in far better health than your typical civilized westerner.
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« Reply #69 on: March 10, 2007, 09:28:52 AM »
All diets work.  Some are more efficient, practical,optimal, economical and non-limiting.

Palumbo`s is not any of those.


It only works because with the successful elimination of an entire Macro-Nutrient, the overall caloric amount is reduced.



I find it amusing that a couple of months ago myself and a few other board members here told you that all you are doing is manipulating total calories, drastically reducing them.  You fired back that we were wrong and that we would see, when your principles were released.  Guess what, no principles released yet, and now you are speaking on calorie reduction.  I often feel bad for people like you that create there own sub-reality, and lie to themselves constantly.  If you ever leave step into the world the rest of us live in it will be really damaging to you.  Take care of yourself.

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« Reply #70 on: March 10, 2007, 10:55:33 AM »
The sad thing is, I could actually help you from being a fat ass. 
Adonis.. Step on stage !! It's so obvious ...You're methods ..will get you  in such great condition..You'll blow every competitor off the stage ..!!??

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« Reply #71 on: March 10, 2007, 10:57:51 AM »
But where do the thousands and thousands of grams of sugar go as "potential energy"?  You say that a lot of that meat would turn into waste gaining 48 oz of muscle.  If you gain the same amount of muscle on simple sugars and fats, where is the excess waste product there?  Isn't it the same?

Glycogen will ALWAYS get used.

My diet is not overeating.  Everything will be used accordingly.

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« Reply #72 on: March 10, 2007, 12:34:41 PM »
I believe that's called healthy eating...no big secret there.  ;) ;D

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« Reply #73 on: March 10, 2007, 12:45:28 PM »
I guess its about finding the least amount of carbs you can eat without getting cravings. But once you get the cravings they don't leave for a while.

Anyone know whats the deal with fruit? Is it a simple sugar of complex. I wonder if eating fruit is really unhealthy. Might as well just eat sugar foods and a vitamin c tablet right?

I believe and I am no doctor or scientist,  that fruit sugar, fructose, acts just like common table sugar inside your body, however fruit does deliver high nutrition and anti-oxidants and is fairly low caloric and should be part of a healthy diet.  Just my Opinion.

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« Reply #74 on: March 10, 2007, 12:49:36 PM »
You can diet and not starve. What gave you that idea?  But you're right. If you do it right to begin with you won't have to diet. But when it comes to putting on size and muscle mass easily, you've got to put the food down and that means you're going to gain some fat to, so a cutting diet has it's place just like everything else.   If you're just trying to stay fit and don't really care about this or that, then yeah a well balanced diet is what you need to do. OBVIOUSLY. Some of our time schedules dont' permit the kind of extra work it would take for me to cover 7 sweet potatoes, other foods, and still cut. It's all about finding out what works for you. Diet is just another form of training, just like trying new routines, etc. Get what works for you and go with it. I don't starve and I'm dieting. I eat typically 8-9 pieces of chicken, 8 eggs or more whole eggs, veggies til I puke, and when i'm sick of chicken...I normally eat about 4 lean steaks a day. If you're eating every couple of hours like you should be anyway, you won't feel hungry at all.

How is eating 8-9 pieces of chicken or 4 lean steaks and 8 eggs  dieting?  what are your portion sizes?