Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral

[militarymuscle69]

How incredibly generous of you...

Shows my stance on gays in the military. I know you guys hate it when you accuse someome of something and then are proven wrong. I'll try to stop doing that

[columbusdude82]

If Pace calls masturbation immoral and tries to instate a policy to that effect, what will your position be?

(Anyone caught whacking off will be discharged, and that means there will be cameras in the showers filming everyone to ensure no one touches themselves.)

Masturbation is immoral too, that's part of the "Christian biblical" tradition.

[militarymuscle69]

If Pace calls masturbation immoral and tries to instate a policy to that effect, what will your position be?

(Anyone caught whacking off will be discharged, and that means there will be cameras in the showers filming everyone to ensure no one touches themselves.)

Masturbation is immoral too, that's part of the "Christian biblical" tradition.

If he makes masturbation illegal I'll have to try and not get caught, just like if a gay wants to have anal sex he just has to avoid being caught. You are kind of grabbing here. I didn't base my stance on homosexuality as immoral on the bible I based it on the UCMJ. You must have gone to the OzmO school of changing subjects when proven wrong.

[columbusdude82]

If he makes masturbation illegal I'll have to try and not get caught, just like if a gay wants to have anal sex he just has to avoid being caught. You are kind of grabbing here. I didn't base my stance on homosexuality as immoral on the bible I based it on the UCMJ. You must have gone to the OzmO school of changing subjects when proven wrong.

No, I am not talking about homosexuality specifically. My entire point is: how do you feel about your superior officers dictacting your personal morality to you?

[militarymuscle69]

No, I am not talking about homosexuality specifically. My entire point is: how do you feel about your superior officers dictacting your personal morality to you?

I don't have a problem with it. I have reenlisted 2 times so it is hard to gripe. I have made the choice to be here. If I didn't like it I could get out.

[columbusdude82]

I don't have a problem with it. I have reenlisted 2 times so it is hard to gripe. I have made the choice to be here. If I didn't like it I could get out.

Thank you.

[militarymuscle69]

Thank you.

for what?

[OzmO]

I don't have a problem with it. I have reenlisted 2 times so it is hard to gripe. I have made the choice to be here. If I didn't like it I could get out.

Just like a good little drone.

BWD-NIT

[columbusdude82]

for what?

Finally addressing the point I was making. You said you have no problem with military superiors dictating personal morality, which is what I was getting at all along.

[OzmO]

Finally addressing the point I was making. You said you have no problem with military superiors dictating personal morality, which is what I was getting at all along.

How does it go:

"we will tell you when to sleep, shit, and eat.  Also we will tell you what's good or bad"

Destine to be a follower all his life.

A good little drone.

[militarymuscle69]

How does it go:

"we will tell you when to sleep, shit, and eat.  Also we will tell you what's good or bad"

Destine to be a follower all his life.

A good little drone.

another military hater

[OzmO]

another military hater

Actually,  i love the military and anything related to it.

I just don't allow myself to be told what to think.

Obviously you do.

Drone.

Stop trying to trying to deflect from the fact you admitted.

Drone.

[militarymuscle69]

Actually,  i love the military and anything related to it.

I just don't allow myself to be told what to think.

Obviously you do.

Drone.

Stop trying to trying to deflect from the fact you admitted.

Drone.

Such an idiot. By your logic all law abiding citizens are drones. The US government tells you what is legal and illegal right?

[OzmO]

Such an idiot. By your logic all law abiding citizens are drones. The US government tells you what is legal and illegal right?

No,  you just said you allow a general to dictate your personal  morals.....

nice try skippy,  actually, stupid try.

[militarymuscle69]

No,  you just said you allow a general to dictate your personal  morals.....

nice try skippy,  actually, stupid try.

So I am drone because I allow the UCMJ to be my moral compass. Wasn't your dad an officer? I remember you bragging about that. Guess what served as his moral compass for all those years........

[OzmO]

So I am drone because I allow the UCMJ to be my moral compass. Wasn't your dad an officer? I remember you bragging about that. Guess what served as his moral compass for all those years........

He own personal beliefs.  Not a Generals.

try again.

[militarymuscle69]

He own personal beliefs.  Not a Generals.

try again.

I bet different. He served under the same UCMJ as I do.

[OzmO]

I bet different. He served under the same UCMJ as I do.

I hate to break your bubble, but not all people in the military are drones and accept the morality given to them. 

[militarymuscle69]

I hate to break your bubble, but not all people in the military are drones and accept the morality given to them. 

Um yes they do. If they don't they dont' stay in the military. and really if beliving that theft, murder, adultery, sleeping on duty, being drunk and dissorderly etc... make me a bad person well so be it.

[OzmO]

Um yes they do. If they don't they dont' stay in the military. and really if beliving that theft, murder, adultery, sleeping on duty, being drunk and dissorderly etc... make me a bad person well so be it.

Funny, you left out gay relationships. 

[militarymuscle69]

Funny, you left out gay relationships. 

That is why I put etc..... It is a long time used term to be all encompassing so as to avoid having to list the entire 58 punitive articles of the UCMJ

[OzmO]

That is why I put etc..... It is a long time used term to be all encompassing so as to avoid having to list the entire 58 punitive articles of the UCMJ

ok fair enough.

You subscribe to someone telling you how to think.  I don't.   It's cool.

[militarymuscle69]

ok fair enough.

You subscribe to someone telling you how to think.  I don't.   It's cool.

however you do let someone dictate your morals. I will assume you don't steal, murder, rape, molest etc..... (you know what etc.. means now right?). You probably pay your taxes. Because you are a good moral citizen. I will give you credit for that and not attack you for being a moral US citizen. I think they call it being the bigger man

[OzmO]

however you do let someone dictate your morals. I will assume you don't steal, murder, rape, molest etc..... (you know what etc.. means now right?). You probably pay your taxes. Because you are a good moral citizen. I will give you credit for that and not attack you for being a moral US citizen. I think they call it being the bigger man

Are you calling yourself a bigger man?

[Dos Equis]

That is irrelevant. Pace called the orientation "immoral," not the act. So if you are a homosexual who does not have sex at all, you are still immoral.

Plus, the "don't ask don't tell" policy states that if a homosexual's orientation is discovered, you will be fired. So a homosexual who doesn't have any homosexual sex at all can be discharged, just because his superior officer discovers that at one point, prior to joining the army, he or she had a romantic partner of the same sex.

A homosexual who doesn't have homosexual sex?  C'mon.  That is unrealistic.  A homosexual defines himself by who he is physically attracted to and who he has sex with.  

I wouldn't call the fact homosexual sex is crime in the military irrelevant at all.  Although I don't know the origins of this prohibition in the military, I would imagine morality was part of the discussion when they enacted this law.