Author Topic: Anybody thing the Olympia is fixed? (Read 2482 times)

nastyn · « **on:** March 13, 2007, 03:58:48 AM »

I was wondering if anybody thought that the judges might have a preconcieved notion of who they might award points to even before the pre-judging...also...how much does Weider's opinion of the bodybuilders play into tallying up scores and giving placings?

kyomu · « **Reply #1 on:** March 13, 2007, 04:06:26 AM »

I have been satisfied with 90% of the result of top 6 of O. So I think No politics for top 6.
But I always dont agree with out side of top 6.I dont know if there is politics or no though...

MikeThaMachine · « **Reply #2 on:** March 13, 2007, 04:12:27 AM »

I don't think being on anyone's good (weiders or judges) side can hurt you but can help make a tough decision easier...

rccs · « **Reply #3 on:** March 13, 2007, 04:23:04 AM »

i think that the main problem isn't in the top 3, but from the 3rd to the last one... and also how some bbers manage to compete in the olympia is very weird!

Playboy · « **Reply #4 on:** March 13, 2007, 05:36:59 AM »

Quote from: nastyn on March 13, 2007, 03:58:48 AM

I was wondering if anybody thought that the judges might have a preconcieved notion of who they might award points to even before the pre-judging...also...how much does Weider's opinion of the bodybuilders play into tallying up scores and giving placings?

You never know....bbdg is a business like any other. Who knows.

PB

HUGEPECS · « **Reply #5 on:** March 13, 2007, 05:40:23 AM »

all and all, be a weider athlete

SteelePegasus · « **Reply #6 on:** March 13, 2007, 05:53:35 AM »

I wouldn't say that it is fixed but with anything that is subjective (bodybuilding judging is subjective just like a beauty paegant) it seems to favor those that are part of the system and has paid their dues.

here is an example:

lets say that an unknown qualified for the O and some how found a magic drug that gave him the best build. It is my contention that he wouldn't be voted 1st. That someone who has paid their dues would get the award.

monstercalves · « **Reply #7 on:** March 13, 2007, 05:57:09 AM »

just like dorian in 91

.....well similar....it coulda went either way

but doz did come out of nowhere and the judges couldnt ignore what he brought to the stage

Kwon · « **Reply #8 on:** March 13, 2007, 06:39:13 AM »

Feels that way at times, don't it?

1980 comes to mind

MikeThaMachine · « **Reply #9 on:** March 13, 2007, 06:53:35 AM »

Quote from: Kwon on March 13, 2007, 06:39:13 AM

Feels that way at times, don't it?

1980 comes to mind

Are you another Mentzer guy, face it he wasn't that good, sorry...

Chick · « **Reply #10 on:** March 13, 2007, 08:49:05 AM »

Quote from: SteelePegasus on March 13, 2007, 05:53:35 AM

I wouldn't say that it is fixed but with anything that is subjective (bodybuilding judging is subjective just like a beauty paegant) it seems to favor those that are part of the system and has paid their dues.

here is an example:

lets say that an unknown qualified for the O and some how found a magic drug that gave him the best build. It is my contention that he wouldn't be voted 1st. That someone who has paid their dues would get the award.

You mean like in 98 when Ronnie Coleman came from nowhere to win over Flex Wheeler who was the favorite and had "paid his dues"?

240 is Back · « **Reply #11 on:** March 13, 2007, 08:50:22 AM »

Quote from: Chick on March 13, 2007, 08:49:05 AM

You mean like in 98 when Ronnie Coleman came from nowhere to win over Flex Wheeler who was the favorite and had "paid his dues"?

Had Flex's *alleged* sunthol use ruined it for him? I remember hearing of the mantra that no man with oil will ever win an O.

Chick · « **Reply #12 on:** March 13, 2007, 08:52:00 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 13, 2007, 08:50:22 AM

Had Flex's *alleged* sunthol use ruined it for him? I remember hearing of the mantra that no man with oil will ever win an O.

No....he got beat by the better man that day.

EL Mariachi · « **Reply #13 on:** March 13, 2007, 09:07:58 AM »

i dont THING so.

EL Mariachi · « **Reply #14 on:** March 13, 2007, 09:10:52 AM »

Quote from: Chick on March 13, 2007, 08:52:00 AM

No....he got beat by the better man that day.

if ronnie had won that day, would you still say''jay got beat by the better man that day''??

Chick · « **Reply #15 on:** March 13, 2007, 09:14:29 AM »

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #16 on:** March 13, 2007, 09:14:43 AM »

Quote from: Chick on March 13, 2007, 08:49:05 AM

You mean like in 98 when Ronnie Coleman came from nowhere to win over Flex Wheeler who was the favorite and had "paid his dues"?

No, more like the 2006 "Bobybuilding.com Master's O".

Chick · « **Reply #17 on:** March 13, 2007, 09:31:55 AM »

Quote from: G o a t b o y on March 13, 2007, 09:14:43 AM

No, more like the 2006 "Bobybuilding.com Master's O".

Considering that BB.com wasn't the title sponsor, and there was no Master's O in 2006...that's funny.

Keep those zingers coming..!

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #18 on:** March 13, 2007, 09:37:20 AM »

Quote from: nastyn on March 13, 2007, 03:58:48 AM

I was wondering if anybody thought that the judges might have a preconcieved notion of who they might award points to even before the pre-judging...also...how much does Weider's opinion of the bodybuilders play into tallying up scores and giving placings?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.. ...are you kidding?

The Olympia is a pre-determined show. Recent examples: Ronnie and Dorian, neither should have won that many consecutive Olympias, IMO, the top 2-3 are pre-determined!

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #19 on:** March 13, 2007, 09:51:56 AM »

Quote from: Chick on March 13, 2007, 09:31:55 AM

Considering that BB.com wasn't the title sponsor, and there was no Master's O in 2006...that's funny.

Everyone knows exactly what I'm talking about. So do you. Hope this helps.

dirk digler · « **Reply #20 on:** March 13, 2007, 10:18:19 AM »

Of course it's predetermined. In 41 years there's only been 11 winners. Most of whom retired before being dethroned. It's not a competition, it's just a cleverly disguised advertisement. Ask 20 people off the street to judge and you get twenty different winners. Ask them to judge a gymnastics comp or boxing match and they usually agree on a winner. It's called "Joe Weider's Mr. Olympia" for a reason.

Chick · « **Reply #21 on:** March 13, 2007, 04:23:57 PM »

Please...If it was pre-determined....there would have been many MORE different winners over the years...decisions that would have made much more sense than having the same guy win over and over.

Jay beating Ronnie in '01 would have been a marketing bonanza for the B industry, and certainly Jay could have won without too much argument.....

Gunter beats Ronnie in '02, and everyone screams FIX, and that Gunter is picked to win the Olympia, etc...and guess what....wrong again.

Judging decisions can always be second guessed.... the idea of fixing shows is laughable.

Parker · « **Reply #22 on:** March 13, 2007, 04:47:52 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 13, 2007, 08:50:22 AM

Had Flex's *alleged* sunthol use ruined it for him? I remember hearing of the mantra that no man with oil will ever win an O.

Flex was oozing the stuff in 99, not 98. They expected a tight Flex, but Ronnie was tighter.

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #23 on:** March 13, 2007, 04:51:57 PM »

Quote from: Chick on March 13, 2007, 04:23:57 PM

Please...If it was pre-determined....there would have been many MORE different winners over the years...decisions that would have made much more sense than having the same guy win over and over.

It boils down to who sells the most. Shawn should have beat Dorian a few times, Jay should have beat Ronnie long before this last time, it's all about the rivalry and drama and the judges inability to judge...yes, it's pre-determined, any bets on who will win the next O? My money is on Ronnie, not because he's better but because of the drama!

Chick · « **Reply #24 on:** March 13, 2007, 04:55:07 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Intenseone on March 13, 2007, 04:51:57 PM

It boils down to who sells the most. Shawn should have beat Dorian a few times, Jay should have beat Ronnie long before this last time, it's all about the rivalry and drama and the judges inability to judge...yes, it's pre-determined, any bets on who will win the next O? My money is on Ronnie, not because he's better but because of the drama!

LOL....who sells the most what?

Before last years O...everyone was screaming that it was Ronnie's, that they were going to give him #9 to beat Haneys record, BSN-big $$ sponsor, etc, etc......WHAT HAPPENED?

As usual, Mr. I....you're wrong.