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Re: Bally Total Fitness may file for Chapter 11
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2007, 07:12:51 AM »
The ballys pricing model is a total joke and can be a turn-off once the clients understand what is happening. In essence you are taking out a loan to pay for the membership. This loan is reported against your credit score. Why would anyone want their gym membership affecting their credit score.

I have a bally's memberhip but I haven't been there in over a year!

Several years ago, I bought a membership from someone that wanted to sell his. His memberhip was already paid up and he had an $8/month maintenance fee. He said that he wasn't into working out and got it as a gift from his wife at the time. Since he had to plans of ever going there he decided to sell it

I paid a $100 transfer to ballys and paid him $250 for it.  Whenever I hear of people paying $50+ per month for bally I truly feel sorry for them. Most Ballys are shit holes with inferior equipment and staff..in the black neighborhoods it is even worse.


I work in manhattan and change jobs every couple of months. Also most job require some travelling.  Most time there is a Bally's in the general area, so I can always find a place to work out

I am now a current member NYSC..probably one of the better gyms out there.

also I have one of the older Bally's membership cards without the picture on it.  I usually let me friends borrow it, all they have to say is "I left my walllet at home with my ID in it, I didn't think that I would need my drivers license to work out".  So for $96 I make sure that I get my money's worth out of them

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Re: Bally Total Fitness may file for Chapter 11
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2007, 07:14:32 AM »
I hope Bally's fcuking collaspe and never recover.
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Re: Bally Total Fitness may file for Chapter 11
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2007, 07:16:05 AM »
HAHAHAHAH.  The change in their stock is a BIG -52.26% just so far today.
Things are not looking good for them.  Hope no one has one of their special 3 years membership contracts.

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Re: Bally Total Fitness may file for Chapter 11
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2007, 07:35:55 AM »
Fcuk Bally's. I hope they close the entire chain  >:(
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Re: Bally Total Fitness may file for Chapter 11
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2007, 08:13:11 AM »
a golds gym opened here and the ballys which is close by has been sending all sorts of shit out to try and get people to go there.  last week, i got 3 seperate advertisements for deals for joining there.  the "best" one was $22 for a whole year.  they must really be in trouble if they are only wanting that. 
when i was in the army, the army gyms had good shit but always had groups of people talking and taking up too much space.  so i went to ballys.  when i went to iraq, i went there to stop payments on my membership because why pay if im going to be around the world, right?  there is a law actually that forces cell phone companies, fitness clubs, etc to not penalize you, or make you pay the monthly fees if you are in a deploying military unit.  well, the manager at that place wanted to argue and said how i couldnt shut it off because then anyone who wanted to do that could.  and i said, well there is a law that says you have to.  and she played dumb for a while but finally gave in.  fuck that place. 
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Re: Bally Total Fitness may file for Chapter 11
« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2007, 08:28:05 AM »
HAHAHAHAH.  The change in their stock is a BIG -52.26% just so far today.

9 years ago, it was trading in the mid-30s.

Today: 0.87!

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Re: Bally Total Fitness may file for Chapter 11
« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2007, 08:34:06 AM »
FWIW, a prognosis from the Yahoo message board devoted to the stock...

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How I think this will play out:

1) In 60 days, without a sign the hedge funds can find a buyer, stock will trade sub-$1.
2) Citing creditors not extending credit and cash flow crunch, we will wake up one morning to find that BFT filed Ch. 11.
3) New debtor in possession financing of about $500 million will be put in place.
4) About 10-20% of staff will be laid off. Management will get fat retention bonuses. BK judge will approve approximately $1-2 million per month in legal and advisory fees, sucking cash, 24-36 million out of this thing before it emerges.
5) Using BK court, they will cancel approximately 20% of existing leases in unprofitable locations, moving decent equipment to other stores, and selling rest for nothing. These landlords will join debtholders in line with hands out.
6) Also using BK court protection, they can cancel any contracts that are not favorable. There goes about 25% of their membership paying less than $15-20 per month. These people who paid huge up front fees are screwed, but so be it. This gets rid of the most heavy users of clubs, who pay the least, and removes overcrowding in busier locations, which is a good thing.
7) After 18 months, they emerge from bankruptcy. Shareholders, as is almost ALWAYS the case, get nothing, and shares are cancelled. All of the credtiors, including both classes of non-secured debt, receive over $.80 per dollar in new stock, which will trade under a new symbol. The debtor in possession is paid off with about $400 million in secured debt.
8) Management gets paid even more money for successfully taking the company through BK, including significant portions of restricted stock and options. Company is leaner, with significantly less debt that doesn't come due for at least 5-10 years, and without crappy store locations or heavy-using low-paying legacy members.
9) Company announces they are spending $100-250 million renovating old stores and rolling out a new marketing/branding compaign to rebuild membership.

Boys, it happens all the time. Shareholders are, in my humble opinion, toast at this point. The company all but said this in their ass covering last press release. I'm selling all my shares, and buying the bonds. I plan to be a shareholder in the NEW company.

It isn't right, and some people should go to jail, especially Toback and especially the people before him that took a profitable company, loaded it with debt and bloat, and then left when "things didn't pan out". Not fair, but it is the way the game is played.

Good luck to all longs and shorts. Do your own due dilligence, one way or the other.

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Re: Bally Total Fitness may file for Chapter 11
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2007, 09:31:44 AM »
It looks as if "Salsa Guy" (a 6'3" lanky Latino dude, who teaches a salsa/merengue/mambo class on Tuesday, at the Bally where I train) may be looking for work.

My contract (a Christmas present from 1991) got paid off way back in 1994. Since then, I just made the monthly payments until 2000. When I moved in 2005, I renewed my Premier Plus Membership, 2 years, $198, which is up this June.


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Re: Bally Total Fitness may file for Chapter 11
« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2007, 09:45:20 AM »

The ballys pricing model is a total joke and can be a turn-off once the clients understand what is happening. In essence you are taking out a loan to pay for the membership. This loan is reported against your credit score. Why would anyone want their gym membership affecting their credit score.

I have a bally's memberhip but I haven't been there in over a year!

Several years ago, I bought a membership from someone that wanted to sell his. His memberhip was already paid up and he had an $8/month maintenance fee. He said that he wasn't into working out and got it as a gift from his wife at the time. Since he had to plans of ever going there he decided to sell it

I paid a $100 transfer to ballys and paid him $250 for it.  Whenever I hear of people paying $50+ per month for bally I truly feel sorry for them. Most Ballys are shit holes with inferior equipment and staff..in the black neighborhoods it is even worse.

The one where I started training in late 2005 is in a black neighborhood. And, quite frankly, it's one of the best in the area where I lived. Most of the brothers are from the islands (Haiti, Jamaica, etc.). Plus, there's a healthy dose of Latino members (mostly female).

There are a few local-level bodybuilders who train there, as well. They have two good power racks to use for the squat and nearly all of the benches and racks are bolted to the floor in the weight area.

Unlike some clubs, that a few members here mention, this one has dumbbells over 100 lbs. (OK, so they only go up to 105....and they're the Ivanko rubber-coated ones).

The only drawback (which really isn't one for me) is that there's no pool. But, I don't swim after training anymore, anyway; it puts me to sleep.



I work in manhattan and change jobs every couple of months. Also most job require some travelling.  Most time there is a Bally's in the general area, so I can always find a place to work out

I am now a current member NYSC..probably one of the better gyms out there.

also I have one of the older Bally's membership cards without the picture on it.  I usually let me friends borrow it, all they have to say is "I left my walllet at home with my ID in it, I didn't think that I would need my drivers license to work out".  So for $96 I make sure that I get my money's worth out of them


Do you still have the blue and white card, with the Bally stickman logo inside the blue circle? I had it until 1999, when it got stolen.

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Re: Bally Total Fitness may file for Chapter 11
« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2007, 09:50:44 AM »
The one where I started training in late 2005 is in a black neighborhood. And, quite frankly, it's one of the best in the area where I lived. Most of the brothers are from the islands (Haiti, Jamaica, etc.). Plus, there's a healthy dose of Latino members (mostly female).

There are a few local-level bodybuilders who train there, as well. They have two good power racks to use for the squat and nearly all of the benches and racks are bolted to the floor in the weight area.

Unlike some clubs, that a few members here mention, this one has dumbbells over 100 lbs. (OK, so they only go up to 105....and they're the Ivanko rubber-coated ones).

The only drawback (which really isn't one for me) is that there's no pool. But, I don't swim after training anymore, anyway; it puts me to sleep.

Do you still have the blue and white card, with the Bally stickman logo inside the blue circle? I had it until 1999, when it got stolen.

the Bally's in Flatbush brooklyn is similar to working out in rikers island prison

my card is tan colored

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Re: Bally Total Fitness may file for Chapter 11
« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2007, 10:04:28 AM »
the Bally's in Flatbush brooklyn is similar to working out in rikers island prison

my card is tan colored



That was the one issued after they changed the logo from the blue-and-white stickman to the red square with the "B" in the middle.

Rikers' Island prison? YIKES!!!!

The one where I started in 2005 , located in Orlando, Florida, is a tad better than a prison.

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Re: Bally Total Fitness may file for Chapter 11
« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2007, 10:06:22 AM »
It's a scary day for bodybuilders when Ballys has been outgayed by places like PF to the point of shutting down.

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Re: Bally Total Fitness may file for Chapter 11
« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2007, 10:06:32 AM »
when i looked at ballys i was quickly turned off.. i know a rat when i smell one.. they wanted 120 dollars for an initiation fee. i was like wtf is that? he was like it gets you started. i said, so i pay for every month and an initiation fee?so im basically just handing you 120 bucks for nothing. then once i saw the size of the contract and all the fine print i said see ya.. went to a powerhouse and they give me a free lifetime membership cuz i was a cop.

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Re: Bally Total Fitness may file for Chapter 11
« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2007, 12:33:01 PM »
when i looked at ballys i was quickly turned off.. i know a rat when i smell one.. they wanted 120 dollars for an initiation fee. i was like wtf is that? he was like it gets you started. i said, so i pay for every month and an initiation fee?so im basically just handing you 120 bucks for nothing. then once i saw the size of the contract and all the fine print i said see ya.. went to a powerhouse and they give me a free lifetime membership cuz i was a cop.

Hahahaha!! Better luck next time, assholes!!

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Re: Bally Total Fitness may file for Chapter 11
« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2007, 02:44:04 PM »
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Re: Bally Total Fitness may file for Chapter 11
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2007, 02:48:44 PM »
Personally, I'd do a '"Daddywaddy special" and work out with cinder blocks in my garage

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