12,000mg gear per week!

[El Diablo Blanco]

I was reading a story about a famous Cali drug dealer who started by selling juice to pro bodybuilders.  He claimed to make about $10000 a week because these pros would buy 12,000 mg test off of him per week.

Is this guy bullshitting or can someone actually take 12,000mg of gear in a week and live to tell about it?

[Captain Equipoise]

I was reading a story about a famous Cali drug dealer who started by selling juice to pro bodybuilders.  He claimed to make about $10000 a week because these pros would buy 12,000 mg test off of him per week.

Is this guy bullshitting or can someone actually take 12,000mg of gear in a week and live to tell about it?

I wouldn't be surprised.. I remember reading about Sergio Oliva taking 10,000mg a week in the 70's... and that was in the 70's!

[Overload]

I personally know a man who takes over 5,000mg total a week in AAS. that's test/deca/eq/anadrol...he's actually quite healthy.

I've heard some pro's spend over $30,000 in "contest prep"...

[Rimbaud]

I personally know a man who takes over 5,000mg total a week in AAS. that's test/deca/eq/anadrol...he's actually quite healthy.

How long does he take such doses? Just curious.

[Overload]

How long does he take such doses? Just curious.

About 6 months straight, when he bulks up to about 260 pounds. he's 5'8".

he never comes off but he will "cruise" at 1000mg test by itself for about 6 weeks after every contest and he takes 2 weeks off training completely. then it's back up to 3000mg test, 800mg deca and 1000mg eq with 100mg anadrol. that's his bulker.

when he prepares for a show he drops the test down(not sure how much) and uses prop, he eliminates the deca and drol. he will run test prop, tren A and EQ all the way up until a few weeks from the show. after that he doesn't tell me what he runs because it's a "secret"...lol...i'm sure there are some diuretics and whatnot.

he's a big mofo and strong as hell. i've seen him press 160 pound DB's on incline for 6-8 reps without a spot. deadlifts 585 for 5 reps, squats 495 for sets of 12 DEEP. he trains very low volume, only trains each bodypart once a week. he taught me alot of what i know.

i've posted about him before but he's a top level amateur and competes around 210 pounds shredded. he should be a pro soon. bodybuilding is his life, he is the most dedicated person i've met in my entire life. he's very successful in business and owns his own company. i've actually seen his blood work and it's not that bad. he's been on for 7 years straight i think, never below 1000mg per week of test.

[Playboy]

I wouldn't be surprised.. I remember reading about Sergio Oliva taking 10,000mg a week in the 70's... and that was in the 70's!

Exactly...the pros are on way more gas then people think and will ever know and that doesn't even include the HGH, Insilin, IGF-1, Cytomel, diuretics and other pre contest goodies. Scary.

PB

[columbusdude82]

That's funny... I read on Mayhem the other day that the pros don't take as much as people think they do. They posted the cycle of some no-name pro to prove their point.

[El Diablo Blanco]

That's funny... I read on Mayhem the other day that the pros don't take as much as people think they do. They posted the cycle of some no-name pro to prove their point.

Maybe that's why he was a no-name

[Overload]

Maybe that's why he was a no-name

Exactly, and i bet it was a lie as well.

I hate to quote TA but bodybuilding and sports in general is all drugs.

You can have the best genetics, eat perfect, train perfect and live the perfect bodybuilding lifestyle but you will not be the size of a pro without LOADS of drugs for a LONG period of time.

[Captain Equipoise]

Exactly...the pros are on way more gas then people think and will ever know and that doesn't even include the HGH, Insilin, IGF-1, Cytomel, diuretics and other pre contest goodies. Scary.

PB

Plus you gotta figure, being on for a few years+ builds some serious tolerance..1000mg doesn't go as far as it used to after a couple of years.

[The Squadfather]

About 6 months straight, when he bulks up to about 260 pounds. he's 5'8".

he never comes off but he will "cruise" at 1000mg test by itself for about 6 weeks after every contest and he takes 2 weeks off training completely. then it's back up to 3000mg test, 800mg deca and 1000mg eq with 100mg anadrol. that's his bulker.

when he prepares for a show he drops the test down(not sure how much) and uses prop, he eliminates the deca and drol. he will run test prop, tren A and EQ all the way up until a few weeks from the show. after that he doesn't tell me what he runs because it's a "secret"...lol...i'm sure there are some diuretics and whatnot.

he's a big mofo and strong as hell. i've seen him press 160 pound DB's on incline for 6-8 reps without a spot. deadlifts 585 for 5 reps, squats 495 for sets of 12 DEEP. he trains very low volume, only trains each bodypart once a week. he taught me alot of what i know.

i've posted about him before but he's a top level amateur and competes around 210 pounds shredded. he should be a pro soon. bodybuilding is his life, he is the most dedicated person i've met in my entire life. he's very successful in business and owns his own company. i've actually seen his blood work and it's not that bad. he's been on for 7 years straight i think, never below 1000mg per week of test.

that's it? no offense but all those drugs and that's all the weight he's using, that's terrible.

[Arnold jr]

that's it? no offense but all those drugs and that's all the weight he's using, that's terrible.

I disagree. It's not championship weight like some guys move, such as Ronnie or whoever, but it's not bitch weight either. Besides, BB is not about "how much can I lift" it's about looking like you can lift a lot. True, at some level you have to move some heavier weight in order to continue growing, but there is a line between stimulating the muscle in a positive manner vs pushing a bunch of weight simply to do so. If this guy can push 160lb DB on incline for 8 reps, I'd be willing to bet that he could probably push the 200lb's if he wanted...but would it be worth while for him? Maybe he moves it but how much of it is being moved due to joint strength and what not? See my point?

[The Squadfather]

I disagree. It's not championship weight like some guys move, such as Ronnie or whoever, but it's not bitch weight either. Besides, BB is not about "how much can I lift" it's about looking like you can lift a lot. True, at some level you have to move some heavier weight in order to continue growing, but there is a line between stimulating the muscle in a positive manner vs pushing a bunch of weight simply to do so. If this guy can push 160lb DB on incline for 8 reps, I'd be willing to bet that he could probably push the 200lb's if he wanted...but would it be worth while for him? Maybe he moves it but how much of it is being moved due to joint strength and what not? See my point?

i'm not saying it's bad weight but fucck for 5,000mg. of total gear per week he should be pressing 455 on the incline barbell for 8-10.

[Arnold jr]

i'm not saying it's bad weight but fucck for 5,000mg. of total gear per week he should be pressing 455 on the incline barbell for 8-10.

Maybe so, but who knows. Maybe his chest is already where it needs to be and he's just maintaining...maybe. Tony Freeman comes and trains at my gym every now and then and the few times I've seen him train chest I've never seen him push what I would call enormous amounts of weight...at least not for a pro who is as big as he is...and who I'm sure takes his fair share of AAS.

[!@#$%]

Maybe so, but who knows. Maybe his chest is already where it needs to be and he's just maintaining...maybe. Tony Freeman comes and trains at my gym every now and then and the few times I've seen him train chest I've never seen him push what I would call enormous amounts of weight...at least not for a pro who is as big as he is...and who I'm sure takes his fair share of AAS.

Maybe he uses a 5-4-2 tempo, taking 5 seconds to lower the weight, pausing at the bottom for 4 seconds and then taking two seconds to press the weight. A slow tempo and a pause between eccentric and concentric portions of a movement will lower the amount you can lift a lot.

So can concentrating on each contraction, making sure you can really feel each muscle worked exactly where you want it to be worked.

[Knives]

Maybe so, but who knows. Maybe his chest is already where it needs to be and he's just maintaining...maybe. Tony Freeman comes and trains at my gym every now and then and the few times I've seen him train chest I've never seen him push what I would call enormous amounts of weight...at least not for a pro who is as big as he is...and who I'm sure takes his fair share of AAS.

How much weight do you see Toney use?  Also, does he train with sloppy form or with poor intensity like we see some pros (Victor Martinez)?

[whitewidow]

I was reading a story about a famous Cali drug dealer who started by selling juice to pro bodybuilders.  He claimed to make about $10000 a week because these pros would buy 12,000 mg test off of him per week.

Is this guy bullshitting or can someone actually take 12,000mg of gear in a week and live to tell about it?

they are probably reselling some too friends. there would be absolutely no reason to use that much per week.

[Overload]

i'm not saying it's bad weight but fucck for 5,000mg. of total gear per week he should be pressing 455 on the incline barbell for 8-10.

Keep in mind all his movements are slow and controled. none of this branch warren pumping style pressing. very smooth and slow negatives with a pause before each press. he also has a very small bone structure and small joints.

all his lifts look easy and he never uses a spotter. i'm positive with a spotter he would go heavier but since he had an accident during squats he doesn't trust anyone to spot him.

Our DB's only go up to 160 and he does incline after flat BB bench. also he does drop sets with front squats before he does his 495 back squats. so i'm sure on a fresh day he could do much more.

i'll ask him his best lifts next time i see him. his max lifts from a few years ago are very good. he's an ex-powerlifter.

[El Diablo Blanco]

I disagree. It's not championship weight like some guys move, such as Ronnie or whoever, but it's not bitch weight either. Besides, BB is not about "how much can I lift" it's about looking like you can lift a lot. True, at some level you have to move some heavier weight in order to continue growing, but there is a line between stimulating the muscle in a positive manner vs pushing a bunch of weight simply to do so. If this guy can push 160lb DB on incline for 8 reps, I'd be willing to bet that he could probably push the 200lb's if he wanted...but would it be worth while for him? Maybe he moves it but how much of it is being moved due to joint strength and what not? See my point?

You sound like Milos Sarcev how he uses the word "stimulation"  10 times per sentence.  I understand what you are saying.  At my gym you got the jokers that come in a body curl 75's. They are practically doing the limbo to get the weight up and a pro BB that I know comes in, grabs the 30's does 4 sets of curls and moves on.  This guy has arms bigger than my legs yet he only uses 30's.  The only time I ever see a pro bodybuilder put up heavy weight is usually for legs.

[b.c.]

Most pros have 10 -15 years of training behind them.  And 99% have used heavy weights to get big.  Once you get to a certain baseline in bodyweight, 30's, 40's weights are ok and to maintain a good physique.  Especially at some of these extreme dosages.

[Rimbaud]

You sound like Milos Sarcev how he uses the word "stimulation"  10 times per sentence.  I understand what you are saying.  At my gym you got the jokers that come in a body curl 75's. They are practically doing the limbo to get the weight up and a pro BB that I know comes in, grabs the 30's does 4 sets of curls and moves on.  This guy has arms bigger than my legs yet he only uses 30's.  The only time I ever see a pro bodybuilder put up heavy weight is usually for legs.

Those guys crack me up & they make almost zero progress.

[trab]

You sound like Milos Sarcev how he uses the word "stimulation"  10 times per sentence.  I understand what you are saying.  At my gym you got the jokers that come in a body curl 75's. They are practically doing the limbo to get the weight up and a pro BB that I know comes in, grabs the 30's does 4 sets of curls and moves on.  This guy has arms bigger than my legs yet he only uses 30's.  The only time I ever see a pro bodybuilder put up heavy weight is usually for legs.

Ronnie and Dorian? Chris Cormier? Rulh dont exactly train light.
I watched Platz do arms once in the 80s.Too bad it wasnt leg day, but he used Pretty strict form, a bit of cheating @ end of sets, and as heavy weight as possible w/ out geting too sloppy. He did bi's and Tri's together.

I watched Lee Haney do back once, and he could have used lots more plate. His tempo was smooth,and moderately slow with a squeeze anywhere he could put one. Hell of a wide thick back.

[dragonheart]

12 grams a week seems like an awful lot to me.  Anyway to the above debates : its not how much you can lift.  its how much you look like you can lift.

[Captain Equipoise]

12 grams a week seems like an awful lot to me.  Anyway to the above debates : its not how much you can lift.  its how much you look like you can lift.

I gotta agree.. I'm bodybuilding not powerlifting.. I'd rather be benching 2 plates a side injury free and making great gains in muscularity then do 3 1/2, 4 and pear a tec or rotator and not lift for 6-8 months. Lift smart, I stopped caring about ego when I was 22.

[columbusdude82]

I am very concerned that I might pear a tec someday...