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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2007, 06:07:26 PM »

I live it..  I know how the body works.. I just don't have time to get in to details right now.. 

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2007, 06:08:52 PM »
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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2007, 06:11:26 PM »
6. Some proponents of low carb diets recommend avoiding carbohydrates such as bread, pasta, potatoes, carrots, etc. because of they are high on the glycemic index - causing a sharp rise in insulin. Certain carbohydrates have always been, and will always be the bad guys: candy, cookies, baked goods with added sugar, sugared drinks, processed / refined white breads, pastas, and rice, and any foods with added sugar. These are not good for health or weight loss.

Doesn't that go against the Adonis Principals

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2007, 06:13:31 PM »
Doesn't that go against the Adonis Principals
Nope.

I advocate the RDA and a strict caloric limit.

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2007, 06:15:56 PM »
Nope.

I advocate the RDA and a strict caloric limit.
but don't you know that bodybuilders need 200 percent more than the RDA of protien to "recover" from a 12 set back workout, Adonis?

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2007, 06:16:44 PM »
Wrong.

You do not have to ingest any carbohydrates for the brain to function properly.

It will get the small amount of glucose it requires from protein conversion via glucogenesis, and the bulk of its energy will come from ketones.

Some people adapt to using ketones better than others, but to say low-carb is "a joke and unsafe" just shows you're good at parroting the know-nothing media, but not too good at reading the research yourself.

He's correct by saying it's unsafe, he's not "parroting" anything and I have researched this myself.

By cutting carbs, your body goes into a metabolic state (Ketosis) where it burns it'a own fat for fuel, normally the body burns carbs for fuel, the main source for brain, heart and other organs. A person in ketosis is getting it's energy from ketones that are the fuel created by the breakdown of fat stores.

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2007, 06:25:10 PM »
but don't you know that bodybuilders need 200 percent more than the RDA of protien to "recover" from a 12 set back workout, Adonis?

LOLOL.

The dumb thing about bodybuilders is that they don`t  realize there is Zero Evidence of effectiveness for increasing protein and that RDA  Protein recommendations, based on the individuals body weight,  is high, to cover a humans needs. The average requirement  for protein is 0.6 grams per kilogram of body weight; the RDA is 0.8 grams which has statistically proven to meet 97.5%-99%  of the population's needs.


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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2007, 06:28:56 PM »
Amazing this player had the gonads to call me a bald schmoe.

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2007, 06:32:26 PM »
That was a good read Adonis, but that dude also said that sugars are bad source of carbohydrates. So why do you eat ice-cream then on a regular basis?

And there is no proof that high protein can cause liver problems. But i just dont understand how can you loose muscle on a low carb/high protein diet, when eating a lot of protein to back it up.  This is fucking confusing each scientist has got a different story, who to believe?

My conclusion is: Nothing low or high, and to eat healthier food.

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2007, 06:38:02 PM »
He's correct by saying it's unsafe, he's not "parroting" anything and I have researched this myself.

By cutting carbs, your body goes into a metabolic state (Ketosis) where it burns it'a own fat for fuel, normally the body burns carbs for fuel, the main source for brain, heart and other organs. A person in ketosis is getting it's energy from ketones that are the fuel created by the breakdown of fat stores.

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you say with low carbs, your body uses fat for fuel. Which is logical to me without carbs.

yet the source from adonis says that the body uses muscle tissue. who to believe?  where s the proof to back it up?

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2007, 06:41:20 PM »
you say with low carbs, your body uses fat for fuel. Which is logical to me without carbs.

yet the source from adonis says that the body uses muscle tissue. who to believe?  where s the proof to back it up?

Eat to support your daily needs....if you have an intense workout eat enought to fuel it. On days that you have nothing planned eat less. Carb cycling works..
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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2007, 06:42:44 PM »
I think the 40/40/20 ratio is the best way to go

your body needs carbs to function normally, without carbs you won't feel full and thus ever hungry
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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2007, 06:43:51 PM »
hahaha this little mexican dweeb called you out???? hahaha pathetic

well considering i was 125 lbs before i started working out i feel good about them 14,6 inch gunz ;D


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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2007, 06:47:28 PM »
I think the 40/40/20 ratio is the best way to go

your body needs carbs to function normally, without carbs you won't feel full and thus ever hungry

is that the best ratio for loosing fat? im 190 pounds right now, how much calories should i consume

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2007, 06:57:41 PM »
well considering i was 125 lbs before i started working out i feel good about them 14,6 inch gunz ;D



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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2007, 06:59:09 PM »
is that the best ratio for loosing fat? im 190 pounds right now, how much calories should i consume

1500 on cardio days and upto 2000 on workout days...
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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2007, 07:00:35 PM »
1500 on cardio days and upto 2000 on workout days...

i only do cardio after a workout ;D

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2007, 08:16:24 PM »
you say with low carbs, your body uses fat for fuel. Which is logical to me without carbs.

yet the source from adonis says that the body uses muscle tissue. who to believe?  where s the proof to back it up?

Be patient, I have proof, I'm just at work right now....besides, if you know what you're doing it's common knowledge!

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2007, 03:09:58 AM »
I went on the Atkins diet about 5 years ago...lost 14 pounds in about a month without exercising once.  But being Irish a month without a big plate of potatoes and a bucket of Guinness on a Saturday afternoon was too much to handle :D

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2007, 07:27:30 AM »
He's correct by saying it's unsafe, he's not "parroting" anything and I have researched this myself.

By cutting carbs, your body goes into a metabolic state (Ketosis) where it burns it'a own fat for fuel, normally the body burns carbs for fuel, the main source for brain, heart and other organs. A person in ketosis is getting it's energy from ketones that are the fuel created by the breakdown of fat stores.

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you just repeated what i said in more words and with the indication of a lower iq


i thought you used jesus as an energy source?

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2007, 07:29:28 AM »
Ask Dr. Atkins.  Oh wait.  That fucker died of a heat attack.  I guess his diet didn't work.

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2007, 07:45:00 AM »
I went on the Atkins diet about 5 years ago...lost 14 pounds in about a month without exercising once.  But being Irish a month without a big plate of potatoes and a bucket of Guinness on a Saturday afternoon was too much to handle :D
did you loose fat or muscle? if you lost 14 pounds of fat then its all worth it not eating patatoes.

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2007, 07:48:49 AM »
im gonna give his atkins diet a try, with one day high carbs. i cant workout now anyways because of a back injury i got from the adonis principles.

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #48 on: March 20, 2007, 08:15:48 AM »
you just repeated what i said in more words and with the indication of a lower iq


i thought you used jesus as an energy source?

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #49 on: March 20, 2007, 10:06:06 AM »
Top 15 Reasons to Avoid Low Carb, High Protein Diets
By Greg Landry, M.S 
 
3. Depletion of muscle glycogen leads to muscle atrophy (loss of muscle). This happens because muscle glycogen (broken down to glucose) is the fuel of choice for the muscle during movement. There is always a fuel mix, but without muscle glycogen, the muscle fibers that contract, even at rest to maintain muscle tone, contract less when glycogen is not immediately available in the muscle. Depletion of muscle glycogen also causes you to exercise and move less than normal which leads to muscle loss and the inability to maintain adequate muscle tone.

Also, in the absence of adequate carbohydrate for fuel, the body initially uses protein (muscle) and fat. the initial phase of muscle depletion is rapid, caused by the use of easily accessed muscle protein for direct metabolism or for conversion to glucose (gluconeogenesis) for fuel. Eating excess protein does not prevent this because there is a caloric deficit.

When insulin levels are chronically too low as they may be in very low carb diets, catabolism (breakdown) of muscle protein increases, and protein synthesis stops.

4. Loss of muscle causes a decrease in your basal metabolic rate (metabolism). Metabolism happens in the muscle. Less muscle and muscle tone means a slower metabolism which means fewer calories burned 24 hours-a-day.


Ok, so what this stupid twat is trying to say is that Atkin's diet, which is based on to rule "no carbs, lot's of protein" make you loss your muscles? There must be millions of competing bodybuilders who KNOWS that doesn't work like that, because pre contest diet is very close to Atkins diet. Do they loss muscle mass? Well, maybe Kamali and True Apenis do, but the average BB'er can in fact  increase muscle mass while dieting.  True Anus have work hard to find this piece of crap, just to try to make his "True Anus principles" aka "Dieting for Village Idiots and Complete Morons" look better, but hey; pile of shit is pile of shit no matter how you try to decorate it. While you whiners has been here arguing this and that, there have been major change in nourishment guidelines in USA, and what they recommend is a high protein and low carb diet. Americans are the most overweight nation in the world, so there have been need to make some improvements, and that is the cure which they find.

For some stupid brats in here; protein is main fuel of your metabolism, not carbs. Your brain use grams of protein per hour even while you are in sleep, and that's why you muscles fade away so fast when you are immobilized by some disability. Heart is a muscle, and muscles need some protein to maintain their strength. Carbs are just easiest way to get some energy, but when you teach your system use fat for energy instead of carbs, it works just fine. There have been numerous of studies about this around a world, but there haven't been any results which defends any high carb diet. In fact, even in USA they try to teach average citizen to change their way to high protein and low carb diet by the government.