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BayGBM

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Fall from grace
« on: March 23, 2007, 11:50:49 AM »
Is it my imagination or when BB heroes fall do they fall particularly hard?
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2007, 11:52:04 AM »
Yup. It's sad.
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2007, 11:53:15 AM »
pretty powerful thread, bay.
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gymforlord

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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2007, 11:53:24 AM »
Sadly, it seems that way-Great pride can take a hard fall...
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2007, 11:56:43 AM »
Quote from: BayGBM on March 23, 2007, 11:50:49 AM
Is it my imagination or when BB heroes fall do they fall particularly hard?

Not that I am disagreeing with you.. BUT..
You are taking the obvious exapmles, and the extreems and using it in your argument.

Why don't you look at Lee Lambrada, Frank Zane, Gaspari, Beckles, Strydom, etc etc..
All who are older BBs and all who look fine.
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2007, 11:57:25 AM »
 :'(
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columbusdude82

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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2007, 11:59:25 AM »
Scott klein just looked really weird towards the end. He must have been really going overboard with the drugs.
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BayGBM

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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2007, 12:00:23 PM »
Quote from: BDG on March 23, 2007, 11:56:43 AM
Not that I am disagreeing with you.. BUT..
You are taking the obvious exapmles, and the extreems and using it in your argument.

Why don't you look at Lee Lambrada, Frank Zane, Gaspari, Beckles, Strydom, etc etc..
All who are older BBs and all who look fine.

This thread is about a 'fall from grace'.  The latter guys you mentioned didn't experience a 'fall'; they just faded away.
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2007, 12:05:29 PM »
Quote from: BayGBM on March 23, 2007, 12:00:23 PM
This thread is about a 'fall from grace'.  The latter guys you mentioned didn't experience a 'falll; they just faded away.

I know , but perhaps I do not like the thread's premise.. When a BB you read about in the magazines when you grew up gets ill or dies, we should post about it, and we should collectively shake our heads, feel pity for those who you have mentioned, and a sense of thank god it isn't me???  Or perhaps a sense of well its their own faults for taking gear...... etc etc etc..

All atheletes Die.....  Or get itt.. Didn't Wilt Chamberland just die young?  Or Walter Payton???? 2 different sports, 2 young deaths...

I suppose I just do not like the way this thread will go......
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2007, 12:07:38 PM »
Quote from: BDG on March 23, 2007, 12:05:29 PM
All atheletes Die.....  Or get itt.. Didn't Wilt Chamberland just die young?  Or Walter Payton????

They didn't eat a shotgun though.

DeMayo did.

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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2007, 12:08:44 PM »
jp fux should also be in this list
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2007, 12:10:04 PM »
Quote from: BDG on March 23, 2007, 12:05:29 PM
I know , but perhaps I do not like the thread's premise.. When a BB you read about in the magazines when you grew up gets ill or dies, we should post about it, and we should collectively shake our heads, feel pity for those who you have mentioned, and a sense of thank god it isn't me???  Or perhaps a sense of well its their own faults for taking gear...... etc etc etc..

All atheletes Die.....  Or get itt.. Didn't Wilt Chamberland just die young?  Or Walter Payton???? 2 different sports, 2 young deaths...

I suppose I just do not like the way this thread will go......
Well, I can understand the point Bay is making & agree-these guys represent the sport & really fell from grace with a thud-in many cases, very sadly, like DeMayo.
But, I really like the point you make, BDG-there are some truly fine examples of atheletes in ths sport, like Lee labrada, who still looks great, has a positive attitude & is a successful businessman now.
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2007, 12:10:54 PM »
Quote from: ribonucleic on March 23, 2007, 12:07:38 PM
They didn't eat a shotgun though.

DeMayo did.

 :(
Ouch. I forgot about that.......

Well if you are going to kill your self, dont fuck around. Do it Expediousily (sp - ala Joe Clark) and do it..
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2007, 12:12:35 PM »
BBing is one of the only sports where, when a guy retires, he looks incredibly different than he did during the glory years.  We look at NFL guys, they often look BETTER once they slim down and get healthy.  When you see a walking brick shithouse acting like a rockstar in muscle mags, turn into a 155-pound cashier, it's a huge letdown.
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2007, 12:14:42 PM »
Quote from: 240 is Back on March 23, 2007, 12:12:35 PM
BBing is one of the only sports where, when a guy retires, he looks incredibly different than he did during the glory years.  We look at NFL guys, they often look BETTER once they slim down and get healthy.  When you see a walking brick shithouse acting like a rockstar in muscle mags, turn into a 155-pound cashier, it's a huge letdown.
I agree-you know, I saw some recent pics of Bob Paris & he apparently is not working out anymore & it just really threw me. Not judging him for not doing it any longer, but, STILL...
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2007, 12:15:32 PM »
thats pretty convenient reasoning tho.  you can pick out a handful of people from almost any sport/athletic organization/etc that have taken a hard fall.  bodybuilding is hardly the best example.
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2007, 12:16:01 PM »
Quote from: columbusdude82 on March 23, 2007, 11:59:25 AM
Scott klein just looked really weird towards the end. He must have been really going overboard with the drugs.
I KNOW!!! Totally agree...
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BayGBM

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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2007, 12:16:22 PM »
Quote from: the shadow on March 23, 2007, 12:08:44 PM
jp fux should also be in this list

Why?  Has he fallen?  How?   He's not dead... he's not in jail... he doesn't have a fatal diagnosis.  I'd put him in the same category as Nasser.  He's passing the baton on to the next generation and simply fading away.  That's what's supposed to happen.

I should correct my previous post though.  Strydom is not fading away (yet).  He still looks awesome!

And didn't Don Long make a comback?
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2007, 12:17:55 PM »
Quote from: 240 is Back on March 23, 2007, 12:12:35 PM
BBing is one of the only sports where, when a guy retires, he looks incredibly different than he did during the glory years.  We look at NFL guys, they often look BETTER once they slim down and get healthy.  When you see a walking brick shithouse acting like a rockstar in muscle mags, turn into a 155-pound cashier, it's a huge letdown.

clear evidence that his physique was (if not "all drugs" then . . .) mostly drugs.
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2007, 12:19:58 PM »
lots of young people die.  many die of drug overdoses, commit suicide, do reckless things.   you generally don't hear about it unless they're in the public eye.   when its an athlete, it's easy to say it must be the sport that caused his death.   

some athletes do die because of the sport.  that win at all cost attitude is risky.  but non athletes sometimes kill themselves because of that win at all cost attitude in their profession, what ever that profession may be.

some athlete's deaths have nothing to do with their sport.  Demayo might have ended up a heroin addict whether he had been a bodybuilder or not.
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2007, 12:20:40 PM »
Quote from: BayGBM on March 23, 2007, 12:16:22 PM
Why?  Has he fallen?  How?   He's not dead... he's not in jail... he doesn't have a fatal diagnosis.  I'd put him in the same category as Nasser.  He's passing the baton on to the next generation and simply fading away.  That's what's supposed to happen.

I should correct my previous post though.  Strydom is not fading away (yet).  He still looks awesome!

And didn't Don Long make a comback?
well jp fux's legs collapsed and eventually retired at the end..
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2007, 12:21:55 PM »
Quote from: BayGBM on March 23, 2007, 12:16:22 PM
Why?  Has he fallen?  How?   He's not dead... he's not in jail... he doesn't have a fatal diagnosis.  I'd put him in the same category as Nasser.  He's passing the baton on to the next generation and simply fading away.  That's what's supposed to happen.

I should correct my previous post though.  Strydom is not fading away (yet).  He still looks awesome!

And didn't Don Long make a comback?
Gary ROCKS!
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BayGBM

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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2007, 12:22:02 PM »
Quote from: the shadow on March 23, 2007, 12:20:40 PM
well jp fux's legs collapsed and eventually retired at the end..

We all "eventually retire at the end" if we live long enough to do so.  That's not a fall from grace.
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2007, 12:22:16 PM »
What we dont see are the numerous casualities of BB who dont even make it anywhere and just 'chase the dream', only to fall flat on thier face and resort to male prostitution... Ask "nader99"  
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2007, 12:23:43 PM »
Quote from: BayGBM on March 23, 2007, 12:22:02 PM
We all "eventually retire at the end" if we live long enough to do so.  That's not a fall from grace.
i think so it is..after 1998,fux was history..he placed at top 5 at the arnold 1998..he was a great bodybuilder.
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