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Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« on: March 27, 2007, 04:24:00 PM »
Should States Apologize for Slavery?
Tuesday, Mar. 27, 2007 By JENINNE LEE-ST. JOHN 

On Monday Maryland became only the second state after Virginia to officially seek atonement for slavery. The state's House of Delegates approved a measure, already passed by the senate and not requiring the governor's signature, expressing "profound regret for the role that Maryland played in instituting and maintaining slavery and for the discrimination that was slavery's legacy."

While the apology for slavery has been grabbing all the headlines, it's the regret for the legacy of slavery that really matters.

Many non-blacks assert that they shouldn't apologize for something they didn't do. There is logic to that thinking: if you didn't own slaves or enable others to own slaves, you aren't culpable. But the U.S. didn't do a very good job of converting its former slaves to full-fledged citizens. Slavery gave way to Jim Crow, lynchings, poll taxes, redlining and educational and job discrimination. Although illegal now, these tools perpetuated a racial hierarchy that affects every American today, no matter how subtly. Just compare any rates of achievement, poverty, imprisonment by race; blacks are nowhere closing to catching up.

No wonder black people were so appalled when Frank Hargrove, a Virginia legislator who is white, said last month "black citizens should get over" slavery. That notion invalidates the black reality. It essentially says: The discrimination you feel and I benefit from is an illusion — or at least has no historical context.

Ultimately, Hargrove voted for Virginia's apology measure, which was passed in February and acknowledges that abolition was followed by "insidious institutions and practices toward Americans of African descent that were rooted in racism, racial bias and racial misunderstanding." Put more simply, the Maryland resolution seems to imply that discrimination against blacks hurts everyone: "Slavery's legacy has afflicted the citizens of our state down to the present."

These aren't easy things to talk about. It's one thing to say that slavery, so long ago, was wrong; quite another to discuss our complicity in its lingering effects. That's why Delegate Michael L. Vaughn, who sponsored the Maryland House measure, says the apology isn't about reparations but opening a dialogue to bridge the racial divide. "Slavery has had a negative effect on relationships between people of color and non-color to this day," Vaughn, who is black, told me. "When we talk about matters of race, people are uncomfortable. I don't think this resolution is the be-all, end-all, but it gets people talking."

Legislators in a handful of states including Missouri and Georgia are considering their own expressions of regret for slavery, and Rep. Stephen I. Cohen, a white Tennessean, just introduced a resolution for a national apology in the U.S. House that reads, in part, "African-Americans continue to suffer from the consequences of slavery and Jim Crow — long after both systems were formally abolished — through enormous damage and loss, both tangible and intangible, including the loss of human dignity and liberty, the frustration of careers and professional lives, and the long-term loss of income and opportunity."

Obviously, not everyone is convinced that the apology is necessary. Maryland Delegate Patrick L. McDonough said he voted against the resolution not only because his ancestors were in Ireland during the time of U.S. slavery, but also because he feels such a stance amounts to meaningless symbolism. "I don't think apologies solve anything," the Baltimore Sun reported McDonough saying. "They're just feel-good superficial measures."

But sometimes feel-good does good. "The first step in healing is to apologize," Vaughn says. "For a young person who is knowledgeable of the effects slavery has had on him and his country — for any of us who have felt discriminated against because of this legacy — you do have a small sense of relief when you hear an apology."

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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2007, 04:44:25 PM »
Sure, I guess..I mean mine where in Ireland and Sicily so I have nothing to apologize for but if somebody thinks it will help.  ::)I won't hold my breath for the Brits to do the same.
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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2007, 05:21:47 PM »
Apologist behavior will not solve anything.  ::)

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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2007, 05:27:00 PM »
Why should people who weren't involved apologize to the descendants  of victims?

That's stupid.  these people need to get over themselves and move on.

Don't we have more important things to worry about?

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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2007, 05:30:46 PM »
Why should people who weren't involved apologize to the descendants  of victims?

That's stupid.  these people need to get over themselves and move on.

Don't we have more important things to worry about?

Exactly!

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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2007, 05:38:37 PM »
Why should people who weren't involved apologize to the descendants  of victims?

That's stupid.  these people need to get over themselves and move on.

Don't we have more important things to worry about?

agreed, plus this would just open the door to lawsuits for reparations.   

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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2007, 05:43:23 PM »
go back in your family tree and youll find there was some type of slavery/torture/suffering.. you didnt come here because your life was great in another country.. i dont care what race you are. italian,irish,asia,black weve all had to deal with the same shit

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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2007, 05:46:09 PM »
I didn't realise that you had the same news in America as we have in the UK.  TonyfuckingBlair made a reallylovelyfuckingsilly "we repent" speech.


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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2007, 05:50:27 PM »
I won't hold my breath for the Brits to do the same.


What, the Brits have more to apologise for?

only joking...

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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2007, 05:52:32 PM »
seek atonement for slavery.
oh hang on, I'll be up all night.  The US can't possibly apologise for nothing, they're a new country, they've only been there a little while.  You've got the British et al. to blame.
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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2007, 05:55:30 PM »
go back in your family tree and youll find there was some type of slavery/torture/suffering.. you didnt come here because your life was great in another country.. i dont care what race you are. italian,irish,asia,black weve all had to deal with the same shit
exactly, so why should one race apologize to another for events too long ago for anyone alive to remember?
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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2007, 05:56:07 PM »
I have to preface this with the fact that I'm a product of interracial relations.

The answer is no... The only way the US should apologize is if everyone who accepts the apology get returned to the location where the initial kidnapping took place.

If you don't want to go back, then you shouldn't get an apology.

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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2007, 05:57:33 PM »
when africa apologizes for selling their own out..the states can apologize..
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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2007, 06:03:28 PM »
exactly, so why should one race apologize to another for events too long ago for anyone alive to remember?

It's called American History.

Those who are affected by these events still feel the repercussions.

Hell,
Al Sharpton just found out he has a connection to Strum Thurmond.
Things like this come out all of the time.
I don't advocate the "victim" "woe is me" attitude.

The question is how does one get over it?

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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2007, 06:04:04 PM »
when africa apologizes for selling their own out..the states can apologize..

Makes sense.
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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2007, 06:04:18 PM »
exactly, so why should one race apologize to another for events too long ago for anyone alive to remember?


I think it started when the holocast victims won compensation.

nouveau politics.  Ask Blair, he's got an election coming up.  Perhaps your Bush has gone all loveydovey.  I doubt it.

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But I reckon the UK owes the entire world (except Germany) big time compensation:  India, Hong Kong, etc...

Australia and Canada could maybe chip in?

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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2007, 06:06:02 PM »
Makes sense.

fuccckkkk right off, we owe africa the big payback.  xL

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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2007, 06:08:19 PM »
It's called American History.

Those who are affected by these events still feel the repercussions.

Hell,
Al Sharpton just found out he has a connection to Strum Thurmond.
Things like this come out all of the time.
I don't advocate the "victim" "woe is me" attitude.

The question is how does one get over it?

Sandra





how does one get over the death of a family member?

time...

however if at ever turn you have someone screaming racism!!!!

it becomes a front page issue for that much longer
fuccckkkk right off, we owe africa the big payback.  xL
we owe Africa jack shit..fuck Africa, there I said it. >:(
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2007, 06:09:19 PM »
when africa apologizes for selling their own out..the states can apologize..

if i say sorry first will that help?  I'm white, I'm English and I'm fuckiing lucky.  but on the other hand (I've only got two and I'd gladly give you one), I'm totally aware of the black man's war.


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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2007, 06:11:10 PM »
It's called American History.

Those who are affected by these events still feel the repercussions.

Hell,
Al Sharpton just found out he has a connection to Strum Thurmond.
Things like this come out all of the time.
I don't advocate the "victim" "woe is me" attitude.

The question is how does one get over it?

Sandra





Very simple,  make a decision to get over by not paying any attention to it.   what people tend to do when they pay attention to it is use it as an alibi for all there short comings.  It's another of the many ways not to take responsibility for themselves and what happens to them. It's mind over matter....if you don't mind, it don't matter

We all have challenges, some greater then others.  It's not anyone's obligation to help others with those challenges,  It's up to the individual to overcome those challenges and prosper in life.

Far too many people whine and play the victim.  In America today, even without a college education a person can get ahead and build a great a prosperous life with determination and hard work.

The problem is most people these days especially many young ones treat the word "work" like a 4-letter curse word.

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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2007, 06:11:53 PM »
how does one get over the death of a family member?

time...

however if at ever turn you have someone screaming racism!!!!

it becomes a front page issue for that much longerwe owe Africa jack shit..fuck Africa, there I said it. >:(

Fine
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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2007, 06:12:25 PM »

I think it started when the holocast victims won compensation.

nouveau politics.  Ask Blair, he's got an election coming up.  Perhaps your Bush has gone all loveydovey.  I doubt it.

You'll bomb another yet.  Only kidding, You've got the big bombs after all.
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But I reckon the UK owes the entire world (except Germany) big time compensation:  India, Hong Kong, etc...

Australia and Canada could maybe chip in?


The holocaust victims were still alive.  Slaves from the 1600's to 1865 aren't.

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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2007, 06:15:43 PM »
Very simple,  make a decision to get over by not paying any attention to it.   


 treat the word "work" like a 4-letter curse word.


You've gone off on a tangent.  You're talking now about young people nowadays and they don't have fuuuccckkking clue about history, they're just taking the piss.
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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2007, 06:18:17 PM »

You've gone off on a tangent.  You're talking now about young people nowadays and they don't have fuuuccckkking clue about history, they're just taking the piss.
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I was responding to this line:

It's called American History.

Those who are affected by these events still feel the repercussions.

Hell,
Al Sharpton just found out he has a connection to Strum Thurmond.
Things like this come out all of the time.
I don't advocate the "victim" "woe is me" attitude.

The question is how does one get over it?

Sandra





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Re: Should States Apologize for Slavery?
« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2007, 06:21:11 PM »
The holocaust victims were still alive.  Slaves from the 1600's to 1865 aren't.

Too true.  The UK will apologise for all.  Watch us.

In the last 50 years, we've given back Australia and Canada and Hong Kong and India.  Before that (we, the royal we, I'm English), invented your America.  Give over.  Let's get history straight.  Who won the fuuuucckkkkinnngggg last world war.  (Sorry, I lost my grandad in that one).

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