Want to COMPETE!

[Lugar]

 

[Arnold jr]

now those are some great posts and the help I needed.  bulk my ass off  keep it clean m thru fri and endulge a little on the weekends.  4k in clean cals and do cardio only when fueled and 1x a week or on an off day.   

Whatever you do, don't over-complicate things. I always think that even for a naturally lean guy, it's still a good idea to eat relatively clean while bulking, but there is no reason to get anal about it in the off-season. Now if you were someone like me who puts on size fairly easily, both the good and the bad kinds, then you definitely have to be a little more carefull. Your plan to eat clean during the wk and indulge on the wk end is fine, but if you get the urge to eat something a little "dirtier" during the wk, I doubt it would hurt
someone like you. Through it all, use the mirror and a good set of eyes to judge your progress...find someone who is more experienced who can look at you periodically to give you good critique...our own eyes can be very deceiving.

ill add some good nuts almonds cashews or something late night too.....how is muscle milk?   this all will keep me lean eight wo cardio?  I know I'm not gonna be shreded but I will be come contest time. 

Again, stop worrying so much about staying "lean." Right now this is not a problem. I'm not saying get fat, but as long as you keep fretting over your abs, your progress is going to be hindered. As for the nuts, raw almonds would be the best choice. Any nut or legume is fine, they just need to be raw if you're going to get the full nutritional value. As for the muscle milk, I love the taste and it will give you a boost in calories for sure, but over all I'm not a huge fan...there are better options.

why do I want to drop the npp?  I just got it.  how bout if I just use it foor cycle numero uno?

Use it if you want, it's just not necessary.

I just am so used to doing cardio daily which I think fucked me upl

There is nothing wrong with a little cardio when bulking, I don't care who you are..keeping a healthy cardio vascular system is very important, keeping your metabolism revving will also make gains come easier. However, keep it in balance, if you're not gaining quality size, then examine things, and make necessary adjustments.

also I got these free cases of musclemilk and eas shakes bars....use em?    thanks boys for all your help.

Use them to supplement your diet, not as mainstays. If you can eat "real' food then do that.

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[Lugar]

wow good stuff brutha.....i did cardio today....1x a week adequate to stay lean?   you made some great posts...what would you use instead of muscle milk....im no fan either....my diet and supps in check?

[Arnold jr]

wow good stuff brutha.....i did cardio today....1x a week adequate to stay lean?   you made some great posts...what would you use instead of muscle milk....im no fan either....my diet and supps in check?

Staying lean is relative to calories in vs calories out, that's it. If you do no cardio but yet you're below maintenance or right at it, then you'll lose weight or stay the same. You really need to stop worrying so much about weight and staying lean. When you bulk up, you're not going to be lean, sorry. Good news though, you'll be adding muscle that you couldn't otherwise. Further, although you won't be "lean" this is relative to BB standards. Although BB's are not lean in the off-season, they are not typically fat by real world standards...at least they shouldn't be.

Instead of muscle milk, just get a good whey isolate powder and throw in natural PB w/it.

[Rimbaud]

It's funny how I tell Lugar something & he either ignores it or gives me a smart ass answer but when someone else tells him almost the same thing they get a thanks. 

[Arnold jr]

It's funny how I tell Lugar something & he either ignores it or gives me a smart ass answer but when someone else tells him almost the same thing they get a thanks. 

I did not realize you'd already said the same stuff. Typically I'll read the entire thread, but with this one I just responded to his original questions.

[Rimbaud]

I did not realize you'd already said the same stuff. Typically I'll read the entire thread, but with this one I just responded to his original questions.

I'm just making a point to Lugar. I didn't say them same things in this thread but in others I have. No problems it's all good. He'll probably make four or five threads about the same thing with in the next month.  He thinks I'm mean because I don't always tell him what he wants to here. I actually am not I'm just being honest & I'm trying to keep him from fucking himself up. Oh well. Notice how he also refuses to answer how long his cycle is going to be. Oh well, such is life. I will continue to try & help him unless he specifically asks me not to. I've also tried to make some of my posts more positive. It's all good either way.

[Rimbaud]

I'm sorry but those pics are not from today....



see this thread and the date  ( look familiar?)

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=267757

Interesting. Why is the account suspended?

[Lugar]

swear to god those pics are from yesterday.....why the hell would I make this shit up........im listening trust me.  I know who to listen to now good advice from davie n arnold jr   they r it......theyve been there......plus goals are same........pics are e a mnth into bulk      9 %?  close to my max of 12 before I cut back.......

[Lugar]

all my trouble was pre-therapy....it's sad, but not afraid to admit I had a ED disease, I'm batteling it...I will beat it, thanks for the support!

[Lugar]

cheat day tdy      what should I hsve  bought a box of oreos n strwberry quick for late night.....

[Arnold jr]

cheat day tdy      what should I hsve  bought a box of oreos n strwberry quick for late night.....

What are you asking? Are you asking what you should eat when you cheat? If so, a cheat meal is just that, a "cheat meal." For example, I recently started dieting for a show, I am on a no carb, high protein, moderate fat diet...no carbs means I eat no carbs. I have one cheat meal per wk, Saturday night, last meal of the day, whatever on earth I want. Last night, Chinese food, last wk, a big ass pile of Mexican food. Next Saturday I might bury my face in a gallon of ice cream, or I might eat a butt load of pizza...it doesn't matter.

[Lugar]

I wissed out..........feels like I cheat everynight............

[Lugar]

I made these crazy snacks that keep me awak all night.....I find myself eating them at all hours of the night, first I start with a homemade bar and thick egg white shake with veggies...then I swear I wake up 3-4 times ad eat more veggies and these:

I've baked fat free cream cheese, protein powder, sf davinchi syrup, egg whites in a pan and then froze them......tell last candy bars.....I alsmost eat a whole pan each nioght....prob. a full container of cc, 2 scoops protein, egg whites, syrup.......

Also, ff sf pudding with a scoop of protein........freeze for a little, almost like ice cream........almost eat an entire container each night at 2am/////sucks.

[Luv2Hurt]

I made these crazy snacks that keep me awak all night.....I find myself eating them at all hours of the night, first I start with a homemade bar and thick egg white shake with veggies...then I swear I wake up 3-4 times ad eat more veggies and these:

I've baked fat free cream cheese, protein powder, sf davinchi syrup, egg whites in a pan and then froze them......tell last candy bars.....I alsmost eat a whole pan each nioght....prob. a full container of cc, 2 scoops protein, egg whites, syrup.......

Also, ff sf pudding with a scoop of protein........freeze for a little, almost like ice cream........almost eat an entire container each night at 2am/////sucks.

Man you sound like a creative chef.  Thats cool.  Those are interesting ideas.

[Overload]

Columbus.. you know who i am.

..So hear what i have to say.

You know you'll never be anywhere near where you 'need to be' to 'compete'.

Namely because your stiffest competitor has already beaten you.

..that person being yourself.

You can't stick to a routine.

You can't accept advice.. because your personality drowns out the voices of others.

You can't..and won't be able to compete EVER.

..unless you drown that voice out.

..For that, i think you need psychological help.

No flame intended.. but no apologies either.

-Narkissos
Owner of:
Apollo Fitness Inc.

Best post in this thread.

You guys are wasting your time.

He's asked these questions several times on this board and about 5 other websites. The SAME damn questions are asked every month.

Good luck helping this guy. He is the last person on this planet who should be using steroids with all his head problems.

[Lugar]

Anything worng with getting so many cals in the om, waking to eat, etc.........here's my concrete plan.........

730          PRO        CARB        FAT       
1/2 CUP OATS          5.00        27.00        3.00        150.00
1/2 CUP EGG BEATERS           18.00        -          -          225.00
2 EGG WHITES          6.00        1.00        1.00        80.00
1 banana          1.50        30.00        1.40        125.00
2 pcs toast or englis muffin          4.00        30.00        3.00        160.00
                                     
          34.50        88.00        8.40        740.00
                           
10                           
3oz Flank Steak          21.00        -          3.75        135.00
4oz Buffalo         36                 3.00       180    
1 cp brown rice          3.00        45.00        3.00        210.00
          60.00        45.00        9.75        525.00
                           
1pm                           
5oz chicken          33.75        -          3.13        162.50
1 CUP OATS          10.00        54.00        6.00        300.00
          43.75        54.00        9.13        462.50
TRAIN 3PMS                           
sip of extend          -          -           -      #REF!    -  
                           
600ISH                           
2 PCS TOAST          3.00        30.00        3.00        125.00
SALAD          2.00        30.00        3.00        150.00
can on tuna          43.00        -          2.00        150.00
                           
          45.00    0    30.00          5.00    0    300.00
7PM                           
2 TB PB          9.20        60.00        4.00        320.00
2PCS TOAST          3.00        30.00        3.00        175.00
1 banana          1.50        30.00        1.40        125.00
          13.70        120.00     -       8.40     -       620.00
900                           
1/2 CUP EGG BEATERS          12.00        1.00        -          65.00
20 almonds          10.00        10.00        18.00        200.00
1 SCOOPS BLEND          20.00        5.00        2.00        120.00
          42.00        16.00    0    20.00    0    385.00
VEGGIES TO SNACK ON                           
                           
          238.95     -       353.00    #VALUE!    60.68    #REF!    3,032.50
         31.52%      46.56%    0.39    18.01%      
                           
          955.80        1,412.00    0    546.08       
          1,181.60        1,181.60        590.80        2,954.00
          942.65     -       828.60    #VALUE!    530.13        (78.50)
          0.32        0.47        0.18       
          275.00        325.00        40.00       


I think I am going to add two shakes of pb, milk, casein splenda.............mayb e a muscle milk or maybe some low sugar bars................

[Luv2Hurt]

Anything worng with getting so many cals in the om, waking to eat, etc.........here's my concrete plan.........

730          PRO        CARB        FAT       
1/2 CUP OATS          5.00        27.00        3.00        150.00
1/2 CUP EGG BEATERS           18.00        -          -          225.00
2 EGG WHITES          6.00        1.00        1.00        80.00
1 banana          1.50        30.00        1.40        125.00
2 pcs toast or englis muffin          4.00        30.00        3.00        160.00
                                     
          34.50        88.00        8.40        740.00
                           
10                           
3oz Flank Steak          21.00        -          3.75        135.00
4oz Buffalo         36                 3.00       180    
1 cp brown rice          3.00        45.00        3.00        210.00
          60.00        45.00        9.75        525.00
                           
1pm                           
5oz chicken          33.75        -          3.13        162.50
1 CUP OATS          10.00        54.00        6.00        300.00
          43.75        54.00        9.13        462.50
TRAIN 3PMS                           
sip of extend          -          -           -      #REF!    -  
                           
600ISH                           
2 PCS TOAST          3.00        30.00        3.00        125.00
SALAD          2.00        30.00        3.00        150.00
can on tuna          43.00        -          2.00        150.00
                           
          45.00    0    30.00          5.00    0    300.00
7PM                           
2 TB PB          9.20        60.00        4.00        320.00
2PCS TOAST          3.00        30.00        3.00        175.00
1 banana          1.50        30.00        1.40        125.00
          13.70        120.00     -       8.40     -       620.00
900                           
1/2 CUP EGG BEATERS          12.00        1.00        -          65.00
20 almonds          10.00        10.00        18.00        200.00
1 SCOOPS BLEND          20.00        5.00        2.00        120.00
          42.00        16.00    0    20.00    0    385.00
VEGGIES TO SNACK ON                           
                           
          238.95     -       353.00    #VALUE!    60.68    #REF!    3,032.50
         31.52%      46.56%    0.39    18.01%      
                           
          955.80        1,412.00    0    546.08       
          1,181.60        1,181.60        590.80        2,954.00
          942.65     -       828.60    #VALUE!    530.13        (78.50)
          0.32        0.47        0.18       
          275.00        325.00        40.00       


I think I am going to add two shakes of pb, milk, casein splenda.............mayb e a muscle milk or maybe some low sugar bars................

 ......

[Overload]

Anything worng with getting so many cals in the om, waking to eat, etc.........here's my concrete plan.........

730          PRO        CARB        FAT       
1/2 CUP OATS          5.00        27.00        3.00        150.00
1/2 CUP EGG BEATERS           18.00        -          -          225.00
2 EGG WHITES          6.00        1.00        1.00        80.00
1 banana          1.50        30.00        1.40        125.00
2 pcs toast or englis muffin          4.00        30.00        3.00        160.00
                                     
          34.50        88.00        8.40        740.00
                           
10                           
3oz Flank Steak          21.00        -          3.75        135.00
4oz Buffalo         36                 3.00       180    
1 cp brown rice          3.00        45.00        3.00        210.00
          60.00        45.00        9.75        525.00
                           
1pm                           
5oz chicken          33.75        -          3.13        162.50
1 CUP OATS          10.00        54.00        6.00        300.00
          43.75        54.00        9.13        462.50
TRAIN 3PMS                           
sip of extend          -          -           -      #REF!    -  
                           
600ISH                           
2 PCS TOAST          3.00        30.00        3.00        125.00
SALAD          2.00        30.00        3.00        150.00
can on tuna          43.00        -          2.00        150.00
                           
          45.00    0    30.00          5.00    0    300.00
7PM                           
2 TB PB          9.20        60.00        4.00        320.00
2PCS TOAST          3.00        30.00        3.00        175.00
1 banana          1.50        30.00        1.40        125.00
          13.70        120.00     -       8.40     -       620.00
900                           
1/2 CUP EGG BEATERS          12.00        1.00        -          65.00
20 almonds          10.00        10.00        18.00        200.00
1 SCOOPS BLEND          20.00        5.00        2.00        120.00
          42.00        16.00    0    20.00    0    385.00
VEGGIES TO SNACK ON                           
                           
          238.95     -       353.00    #VALUE!    60.68    #REF!    3,032.50
         31.52%      46.56%    0.39    18.01%      
                           
          955.80        1,412.00    0    546.08       
          1,181.60        1,181.60        590.80        2,954.00
          942.65     -       828.60    #VALUE!    530.13        (78.50)
          0.32        0.47        0.18       
          275.00        325.00        40.00       


I think I am going to add two shakes of pb, milk, casein splenda.............mayb e a muscle milk or maybe some low sugar bars................

Seriously Charles.

How many fucking times have you posted this on these forums in the last 3 months?

Don't make me start bumping threads!

[Lugar]

Just worries me as it feels like I am eating soo much yet the scale isnt doing much..........did you think it's enough food?  Also, is it pretty detremental to get the bulk of your cals btween 6pm and bed.......(9pm)

[Narkissos]

Just worries me as it feels like I am eating soo much yet the scale isnt doing much..........

  ... because muscle increase in a linear fashion right?

 

[Lugar]

need my head on str8  shitty liftn day feel fat n bloated  abs look blurred tdy.  depressed  need a smack down from some good bro fucccccck

[Arnold jr]

need my head on str8  shitty liftn day feel fat n bloated  abs look blurred tdy.  depressed  need a smack down from some good bro fucccccck

Stop looking at your abs and keep your eyes set on your long term goals. picture the end product, not the short term appearance.

[Lugar]

YOUR abs look faded as the day goes on?  Fing sucks......sharp in the am, now look skinny fat......feel like stopping and starting to do cardio again....cant let myself do it bro.....cmon...........i gotta keep eating...all night.......just got done training, all i had was toast, tuna and a salad......damnnnnnn.... ..all my other meals in though..........

[Overload]

YOUR abs look faded as the day goes on?  Fing sucks......sharp in the am, now look skinny fat......feel like stopping and starting to do cardio again....cant let myself do it bro.....cmon...........i gotta keep eating...all night.......just got done training, all i had was toast, tuna and a salad......damnnnnnn.... ..all my other meals in though..........

Seek mental help, please DO NOT take steroids.