How is a bb considered an athlete

[Mr. Intenseone]

No tests for GH, IGF-1, genetic inhibitors, modern anabolics have half-life of only a few hours in the blood.

What part of "there is testing for GH" don't you get?

[Dballn247]

What part of "there is testing for GH" don't you get?

Yes, but that test costs about $5000 a shot as opposed to the test for Anabolic which costs about $250.  Let alone they have to test for a specific hormone each time.  I've worked in a lab.  It's not like CSI where they get a blood test back and say he was on this that and the other.  Most times they will test you for Deca as that is common and lasts a long time in your system.  If the tested for Dbol or Test suspension, they'd be throwing their money away if the missed the half life window.

[Devon97]

Most losers call bodybuilding a hobby. Well because they are losers.
I could play in the NFL if I want to .....I just do wanted to do what it takes- translation- I am a loser
Any one could be a Pro if I take enough gear- Translation - I am a Dellusional Loser-

Translation---->You are - de·lu·sion·al

[Mr. Intenseone]

Yes, but that test costs about $5000 a shot as opposed to the test for Anabolic which costs about $250.  Let alone they have to test for a specific hormone each time.  I've worked in a lab.  It's not like CSI where they get a blood test back and say he was on this that and the other.  Most times they will test you for Deca as that is common and lasts a long time in your system.  If the tested for Dbol or Test suspension, they'd be throwing their money away if the missed the half life window.

I'm pretty sure he was referring to teams in the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc those leagues can afford the testing and when those tests are done, it usually includes GH testing!

[Dballn247]

I'm pretty sure he was referring to teams in the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc those leagues can afford the testing and when those tests are done, it usually includes GH testing!

I agree that the NFL can afford to test for GH.  However if the athlete was taking hormones alone, and no GH, It is like throwing a dart at a dartboard blindfolded.  You have to setup the Gas Chromatograph to test for the hormones specifically.  That is why Victor Conte's lab created steroid went so long as being undetectable.

And also, If the NFL initiated drug testing across the board, everyone would be small and slow.

[Tamer Razor]

I'm pretty sure he was referring to teams in the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc those leagues can afford the testing and when those tests are done, it usually includes GH testing!

We can go on and on about testing. THE FACT is that the science of testing is behind the science of enhancing drugs. How about genetic inhibitors  are we going to start doing Biopsy on the athletes since this would be the only way to identify it. Please anyone with minimum undestanding of Biochesmitry Knowns that Test are ONLY to satisfy the General Publics Perception.

[Mr. Intenseone]

We can go on and on about testing. THE FACT is that the science of testing is behind the science of enhancing drugs. How about genetic inhibitors  are we going to start doing Biopsy on the athletes since this would be the only way to identify it. Please anyone with minimum undestanding of Biochesmitry Knowns that Test are ONLY to satisfy the General Publics Perception.

Trust me, a team owner is not going to risk paying hundreds of millions of dollars with multiple year contracts to players only to have them take tests just to appease the publics perception, if that player's health is damaged by drug use, the owner could be out alot of money.........what a rediculous conclusion you came up with!!

[Parker]

I want to know how is it that Rockclimbing is sport, or Fishing, Deer Hunting (yeah, a guy with a gun and a deer running away) or Golfm where one wears clean khakis and polo shirts. Yea to some degree thathese require skill. But the above listing "Sports" are what are ancestors used to do to survive.

I view BBing more like a human art contest. Instead how good one can paint, it's how well can one paint on the muscle. Like Flex is a work by Da Vinci and Ruhl is some sort of twisted abstract from Dali. The skill is how well one can present perfection....but now it is how far can one push the envelope

A Combo of  skill and an artist's eye makes bbing unique.

[joejoe]

Most losers call bodybuilding a hobby. Well because they are losers.
I could play in the NFL if I want to .....I just do wanted to do what it takes- translation- I am a loser
Any one could be a Pro if I take enough gear- Translation - I am a Dellusional Loser-

epic insecurities because your entire being revolves around putting needles in your body and picking up iron plates.

[Tamer Razor]

epic insecurities because your entire being revolves around putting needles in your body and picking up iron plates.

Sure keep believing that. You are the loser to come to a BB board and say something like that. If you don't like BB great I respect you. But What the FUCK are you doing here then. Do you enjoy MUSCULAR MEN? Be a Men and post your pictures. I bet you look like a nerd chicken. I would feel like that same way you do if I look like that ....I would be angry with life.

[Tamer Razor]

Trust me, a team owner is not going to risk paying hundreds of millions of dollars with multiple year contracts to players only to have them take tests just to appease the publics perception, if that player's health is damaged by drug use, the owner could be out alot of money.........what a rediculous conclusion you came up with!!

OK Mr Intenseone. You just open my eyes to reality. IT is no drugs in MLB or any other sport. I am so sorry I ofend your heros -Bonds, Giambi, McGwire,Sosa,Caminiti....( they are some of the best MLB players just think the ones that don't have that much skills and are using) probably nothing !!!...thanks for opening my eyes. Curt Schilling reported to the USA News at least 50% of players on MLB use Steroids. He doesn't know what he is talking about. Please send him a letter and let him Know how ignorant you are about science and sports.

[joejoe]

Sure keep believing that. You are the loser to come to a BB board and say something like that. If you don't like BB great I respect you. But What the FUCK are you doing here then. Do you enjoy MUSCULAR MEN? Be a Men and post your pictures. I bet you look like a nerd chicken. I would feel like that same way you do if I look like that ....I would be angry with life.

a person can follow bodybuilding AND STILL realize that bodybuilding is not a sport and its competitors are not athletes. just like a person can push themselves in the gym, eat healthy, build a very nice physique, AND STILL have no desire to compete in bodybuilding due to what is required. like i said, most guys that really get into bodybuilding are guys that realized they werent good enough to continue in real sports with real athletes. off the top of my head, this incluldes, coleman, ray, cormier, heath, etc. bodybuilding is not a sport and bodybuilders are not athletes. the only people that would try to claim such a thing are those guys that werent good enough to make it in a real sport but still need to define themselves as an "athlete" for their ego and insecurities. if you arent even a pro bb, i dont know how in the heck you can even begin to argue you are an athlete.

here is your nerd chicken. although im not sure how my appearance, good or bad, is relative to my opinion.

[Tamer Razor]

Coleman could be a world class powerlifter. Jonnie Jackson is a World Class powerlifter.( Arnold Classic winner). Several Olympic lifters and Strongmen where bodybuilders before. After no doing well as bodybuilders they became powerlifters or Strongmen. Exemples for you....Odd Haugen, Andy Bolton (1003lb deadlift).....
Please educate yourself
I really hope that it you because it would be pretty sad if you posting someone else's pictures. When was your last show?

[Tamer Razor]

If you have not compete before you really have no place to state your opinion in a negative way. It like me saying that I could make that shot or hit the ball without never ever playing the game. You don't need to take drugs to compete try some Natural shows. Check out how much determination, effort,discipline,conditining is required and then talk.

[TheEgoCrusher]

I want to know how is it that Rockclimbing is sport, or Fishing, Deer Hunting (yeah, a guy with a gun and a deer running away) or Golfm where one wears clean khakis and polo shirts. Yea to some degree thathese require skill. But the above listing "Sports" are what are ancestors used to do to survive.

I view BBing more like a human art contest. Instead how good one can paint, it's how well can one paint on the muscle. Like Flex is a work by Da Vinci and Ruhl is some sort of twisted abstract from Dali. The skill is how well one can present perfection....but now it is how far can one push the envelope

A Combo of  skill and an artist's eye makes bbing unique.

Exactly.  These fools that have NEVER BEEN IN shape know no different.  They will hate on someone like me that works out 15-17 hours a week (counting cardio) year-round but will look in the mirror and think to themselves, "Damn I'm fat....and kind of big...I'll take the big with the fat"....

It's just SAD to read these boards sometimes.  Fools like Heckler can't figure out who someone like me (although I'm a 1 in 10,000 specimen) are, and fools like Alex23 think they will do a show at 220 when they are 250 with 60 POUNDS of fat on them.  Their are a TON of flat out delusional bastards on these boards.  Just completely out of touch with reality.

[americanbulldog]

Coleman could be a world class powerlifter. Jonnie Jackson is a World Class powerlifter.( Arnold Classic winner). Several Olympic lifters and Strongmen where bodybuilders before. After no doing well as bodybuilders they became powerlifters or Strongmen. Exemples for you....Odd Haugen, Andy Bolton (1003lb deadlift).....
Please educate yourself
I really hope that it you because it would be pretty sad if you posting someone else's pictures. When was your last show?

Odd played professional football before that.  Cool guy to work for. 

[Tamer Razor]

One of the most inspirational athletes ever. Strongmen, Pro Bodybuilder, Pro Football....but like all these really informed people that say that bodybuilder are not athletes....what can I say???

[joejoe]

One of the most inspirational athletes ever. Strongmen, Pro Bodybuilder, Pro Football....but like all these really informed people that say that bodybuilder are not athletes....what can I say???

keep living in fantasy land. ive never heard of the guy, but he was an athlete because he was in pro football and strongmen, bodybuilding was an easy activity spun off of the requirements of the other two.

todays bodybuilders are in bodybuilding because THEY COULDNT MAKE IT IN A REAL SPORT. there are plenty of great potential bodybuilders in the nfl, but they arent stupid enough to go into bodybuilding. phil heath would never be in bodybuilding if he could have made the nba. shawn ray would never have went to bodybuilding if he could have been in the nfl.

just because someone goes from a real sport to bodybuilding doesnt make bodybuilding a sport or every other bodybuilder an athlete. but if a bodybuilder could go to a real professional sport, then he would be an athlete. only problem is, we all know that isnt happening.

[Mr. Intenseone]

OK Mr Intenseone. You just open my eyes to reality. IT is no drugs in MLB or any other sport. I am so sorry I ofend your heros -Bonds, Giambi, McGwire,Sosa,Caminiti....( they are some of the best MLB players just think the ones that don't have that much skills and are using) probably nothing !!!...thanks for opening my eyes. Curt Schilling reported to the USA News at least 50% of players on MLB use Steroids. He doesn't know what he is talking about. Please send him a letter and let him Know how ignorant you are about science and sports.

Your posts make no sense................I'll beat Schillings claims and say at least 70-80% of players are on gear, where did you get the idea that i said the players were not using? Shit, they were using when I was playing, I'm just saying they are using the doses you think they are, like I said, I've been on both sides as a ball player and competitive bodybuilder and unless you know how the MLB works you're the ignorant one!

[Earl1972]

it's a sport

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[Mr. Intenseone]

it's a sport

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tis not !

[Earl1972]

tis not !

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[Mr. Intenseone]

it is

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[Dballn247]

I'd just like someone from this thread to try a contest diet, go through the 10-12 weeks, get onstage and let some judges look at them.  I'm sure that if they went through the whole ordeal and won their weight class, and we did'nt give them the nod as being an athelete they'd be pretty pissed especially If they won the whole show.

Mr. I as a former competitor, you claim that BB is not a sport.  Is this because you are bitter about your placings?

Everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinions.  Even if they feel that BB is not a sport.  My opinion is (as I have stated previously):

If BB is not a sport (which seems to be the group consensus of the posters on this thread), Then why are you all posting on a BB board?  Rather than being on a BB site and praising/supporting your favorite "athlete", Your bashing of BB on a BB website shouts:

You all are on the boards to worship male muscle.

It's even worse if you're married with kids.  As this may be you dabbling with crossing the line into homosexuality.  And like I said earlier "This is one of the biggest group self ownings in Getbig history." 

You guys are gayer than Richard Simmons dancing to Elton John.   

[Oldschool Flip]

Of course most people who post here have an interest in bodybuilding or they probably wouldn't be here unless they are just here to create chaos and get a kick out of just trying to piss people off. But to have an opinion of whether or not Pro bbers are athletes, doesn't mean we disrespect what they do. I did a few local contests in my early 20's, during mid 80's, and trying to eat right, stay on that diet while working 10+ hours a day, and still trying to make it to the gym was VERY HARD.

But Pro bbers are not athletes. They are great competitors. Some may have come from an "athletic" background, but that doesn't make bodybuilders athletes.