Shiites Call for U.S. to Leave Iraq

[OzmO]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070409/D8ODBN4O0.html

[ribonucleic]

<< Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Shias have demonstrated in the holy city of Najaf, calling for US-led troops to leave Iraq. >>

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6537861.stm

I remind you... Relative to their (remaining) population, that's the equivalent of millions of protesters here.

Think they may be trying to send us a message?

[24KT]

They are also the majority in Iraq as well.

[ribonucleic]

The day the statue came down...



Today...

[240 is Back]

The day the statue came down...



Today...

Holy shit.  That speaks volumes right there!

Beachy, do you still believe the majority of Iraqis want us there?

[militarymuscle69]

fuck 'em. For every million that protest there are a million that want us there. Korea is the same way, those that were around during the war love us, the young libs that didn't experience it want us gone....

[240 is Back]

fuck 'em. For every million that protest there are a million that want us there.

So you believe that about 50% of Iraqis want us to stay, and 50% of them want us to leave?

[militarymuscle69]

So you believe that about 50% of Iraqis want us to stay, and 50% of them want us to leave?

From my personal experience, I would say about 75% of them want us there.  And not to steal your thunder but you know what I think of polls

[240 is Back]

From my personal experience, I would say about 75% of them want us there.  And not to steal your thunder but you know what I think of polls

Is there any possibility that the ones likely to come out and interact with you are the ones who want you there... and that those who dislike you don't come around so much?

75%... wow... that number goes against every poll in years.  I guess you have no need for well reasons math tho.

[OzmO]

From my personal experience, I would say about 75% of them want us there.  And not to steal your thunder but you know what I think of polls

It could be said that 75% of Californians want.......

It doesn't surprise me that in your personal experience 75% of them want us there because you probably didn't talk to people who didn't want you there....  you were in, i'm assuming, Areas in or near that were in American control.  I doubt you were casually strolling around some village by your self talking to the locals miles away from any Americans.

[240 is Back]

It doesn't surprise me that in your personal experience 75% of them want us there because you probably didn't talk to people who didn't want you there....  you were in, i'm assuming, Areas in or near that were in American control.  I doubt you were casually strolling around some village by your self talking to the locals miles away from any Americans.

Very good point.

I wonder if he wandered into sadr-city and waved his flag, every 3 out of 4 people would come up and give him a hug.  Monster delusions.

[OzmO]

The day the statue came down...



Today...

I see what you are getting at here but there are other reasonable explanations:

-  This is happening during an on going battle for the city, many people are probably just indoors hiding and trying to stay out of harms way.

-  Most people don't fully believe Saddam is not in control or permanently removed from power, therefore they don;t want to risk being filmed as ones that were cheering the Americans on for fear of future reprisals when Saddam takes the city back.

[Thin Lizzy]

The day the statue came down...

Here's you on that day

[tu_holmes]

Here's you on that day

He was eating pizza in a mall? I don't think I get the joke.

[Old_Rooster]

Screw the shits!  I mean shiites.  We shall leave when we WANT to leave, not before.

[militarymuscle69]

Very good point.

I wonder if he wandered into sadr-city and waved his flag, every 3 out of 4 people would come up and give him a hug.  Monster delusions.

I know all you have are news accounts to go off of, but like I said it is very comparable to Korea...the liberal people in both countries don't realize. They have forgotten what is was like already...kind of like libs here have forgotten 9/11 aside from their CTs.

[240 is Back]

kind of like libs here have forgotten 9/11 aside from their CTs.

What about the millions of REPUBLICANS who want a new 911 investigation? 

[24KT]

The top photo toppling the statue was a staged event for the Western media.
The crowd cheering were Iraqis (Northern Kurds) brought in for the event while troops blocked off the perimeter so they could film. They didn't have near enough people so they pulled in for a tight shot. It happens all the time in film making. We've shot seens where we can take 50 extras and rotate them in such a way to give the impression of a crowd of thousands.

I've seen longshots of the 2nd photo though, and those crowds looked pretty authentic to me.
I don't know how many actually burned US flags though. There were a few, but the footage could easily have been misleading, in that they were only a few isolated cases of it, and not the huge outpouring of anti-US sentiment as much of the media is claiming.

[Old_Rooster]

The top photo toppling the statue was a staged event for the Western media.
The crowd cheering were Iraqis (Northern Kurds) brought in for the event while troops blocked off the perimeter so they could film. They didn't have near enough people so they pulled in for a tight shot. It happens all the time in film making. We've shot seens where we can take 50 extras and rotate them in such a way to give the impression of a crowd of thousands.

I've seen longshots of the 2nd photo though, and those crowds looked pretty authentic to me.
I don't know how many actually burned US flags though. There were a few, but the footage could easily have been misleading, in that they were only a few isolated cases of it, and not the huge outpouring of anti-US sentiment as much of the media is claiming.

So like you were there huh?

[24KT]

So like you were there huh?

No, but I think I have the ability to analyze film footage with a more critical eye than the average person.

When I see certain types of shots and certain types of angles used, I understand why.

[Old_Rooster]

No, but I think I have the ability to analyze film footage with a more critical eye than the average person.

When I see certain types of shots and certain types of angles used, I understand why.

LMAO, okey dokey!  You see what you want to see i'm sure.  Its called DEMOCRAT VISION or known as wearing blinders, you don't want to see good news in Iraq.

[The Enigma]

fuck 'em. For every million that protest there are a million that want us there.

That is an outright lie. 

[OzmO]

The top photo toppling the statue was a staged event for the Western media.
The crowd cheering were Iraqis (Northern Kurds) brought in for the event while troops blocked off the perimeter so they could film. They didn't have near enough people so they pulled in for a tight shot. It happens all the time in film making. We've shot seens where we can take 50 extras and rotate them in such a way to give the impression of a crowd of thousands.

I've seen longshots of the 2nd photo though, and those crowds looked pretty authentic to me.
I don't know how many actually burned US flags though. There were a few, but the footage could easily have been misleading, in that they were only a few isolated cases of it, and not the huge outpouring of anti-US sentiment as much of the media is claiming.

It was happening during a battle, anyone with any sense would have been hiding.  Who walks the streets when an invading army rolls into town with guns blazing?   You think people are that stupid to get filmed and then maybe Saddam retains his power?  Then what happens to them?

That's why there was no crowds.

[headhuntersix]

I was there when we rolled in..they were all very happy..we all thought then they were full of shit.....basically anybody not willing to shoot anybody who makes a peep was going to face an insurgency there. They were all very happy to get about killing each other.

[Old_Rooster]

hey yo, haven't the rag heads been calling for us to leave ever since we came?  tough nuts for them, we leave when we say we leave.