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Gear and Genetics...
« on: April 11, 2007, 11:06:17 AM »
For many good friends around here Ronnie would go down in bb as the greatest due to his "uncanny" genetics but i think it has to do more for his heavy dosage of HGH among other sause...

Here's why,

this is based on genetics:

For example take Arnold, who  Started bb at age 15, by the time he was 19 he was the biggest bb of his era, plus the youngest competing with guys way experienced than him..when he met his idol Reg Park Reg who looked at him from head to toe and instead of saying he was amazed by this young man (he was because he never met anybody with such dimenssions) he told Arnold to train his calves like his life depended on them, 2 years later Arnold showed up with the biggest calves ever shown on bb stage!! he could have added few inches to his thighs if he wanted to, we know it's easier to increase legs size than calves, but he didn't needed it to, he was after all the youngest mr.O ever at age 23..what's left for a bb after winning the O? move on to bigger things maybe?

This is based on gear

Ronnie started bb around 19-20  then competing around 23 or 24 in mr.texas wich he won (i think)
with the gear that was available in the early 90's he wasn't that symmetrical since his arms were to long for his torso, but yet he was one of the best bb (from the knees up).

It was in 98' at age 34 after more than 10 years of heavy training and juicing that he finally took the tittle again, he probably had the worst calves in the top six that year but it was fear enough to win the tittle..

we know that GH and insulin among other "stuff" entered the scene in the md 90's and that was the ticket that Ronnie had to beat better genetically bbers than him (Levrone,Cormier,Ray,Wheler etc) we also know that a lot body parts grew alone in Ronnie's body including internal organs but his calves poor in shape grew as well...not proportional to his ballon thighs or gut but hey they grew, something that didn't happened in more than 10 years of heavy training and mad juicing .


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Re: Gear and Genetics...
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2007, 12:33:09 PM »
I think you make a good point. the guys years ago with good genetics were the ones the more likely to go into bodybuilding and succeed and were aesthetically pleasing. But today we have guys with bad genetics and poor aesthetics using lots of drugs to achieve success, but the aesthetic is just lost.

So I guess aesthetics and good genetics go hand in hand.

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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2007, 03:29:54 PM »
I think you make a good point. So I guess aesthetics and good genetics go hand in hand.

Exactly, that is why you see today's pro bigger than guys like Serge Nubret, but when they were as the same size or body weight as Serge was, they coudn't look half as good as he did.

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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2007, 04:22:02 PM »
In a strange way it could be possible that gear was better back then than it is now, because back then most of the guys were probably taking gear that they knew was near enough 100% were as today bodybuilders are probably lucky to get gear that is 85% but i suppose this just comes down to who you know, rather that what you know, because am sure there are pro's able to get gear thats worth the money they pay for.

I understand what your saying though because it would be intresting to see what type of bodybuilder like Arnold and Serge Nubret would have been like using the same shit as todays bbers. but then again you have to consider in another 20 years time things will most probably have moved on a great deal again.

I think in years to come genetics will always matter when it comes to shape and conditioning, but there will come a time when growth genentics won't matter any more because gear will take care of that.

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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2007, 04:31:00 PM »
Genetics is more complicated then "good" or "bad".........Genetics can be good for aesthetics...but at the same time bad for building massive amounts of muscle(Arnold, Frank Zane, Richard Jones). Arnold had awesome genetics as far as looking aesthetically pleasing...but he was by no means the biggest bodybuilder to step on stage for his time. Then you have guys who can put on a huge amount of muscle (Polumbo, Greg Kovacs)...however lack greatly in the aesthetically pleasing department.
  Then on top of that your genetics also determine how easy it is for you to get lean and to carry low BF%.


 

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Re: Gear and Genetics...
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2007, 04:34:03 PM »
Genetics is more complicated then "good" or "bad".........Genetics can be good for aesthetics...but at the same time bad for building massive amounts of muscle(Arnold, Frank Zane, Richard Jones). Arnold had awesome genetics as far as looking aesthetically pleasing...but he was by no means the biggest bodybuilder to step on stage for his time. Then you have guys who can put on a huge amount of muscle (Polumbo, Greg Kovacs)...however lack greatly in the aesthetically pleasing department.
  Then on top of that your genetics also determine how easy it is for you to get lean and to carry low BF%.
 

yeah that what i was trying to say in the last part of my post  :D u said it better.

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Re: Gear and Genetics...
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2007, 07:17:39 PM »
"genetics" comes down to three factors:

1.How well you're put together from a proportion/symmetry standpoint.

2.How well you respond to training.

3.How well you respond to gear.

If any one of those are absent, then the door is open to those which posess all three....If you have #1, then having either one of the others may be enough...

If you're lacking #1...you're going to have a tough time turning pro.

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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2007, 07:27:25 PM »
"genetics" comes down to three factors:

1.How well you're put together from a proportion/symmetry standpoint.

2.How well you respond to training.

3.How well you respond to gear.

If any one of those are absent, then the door is open to those which posess all three....If you have #1, then having either one of the others may be enough...

If you're lacking #1...you're going to have a tough time turning pro.
totally agree, if you  have 1 and 3 you could be a pro easily

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Re: Gear and Genetics...
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2007, 07:29:42 PM »
"genetics" comes down to three factors:

1.How well you're put together from a proportion/symmetry standpoint.

2.How well you respond to training.

3.How well you respond to gear.

If any one of those are absent, then the door is open to those which posess all three....If you have #1, then having either one of the others may be enough...

If you're lacking #1...you're going to have a tough time turning pro.
Well put bob... this is why i will be turning pro in the future..  ;D

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Re: Gear and Genetics...
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2007, 07:34:18 PM »
"genetics" comes down to three factors:

1.How well you're put together from a proportion/symmetry standpoint.

2.How well you respond to training.

3.How well you respond to gear.

If any one of those are absent, then the door is open to those which posess all three....If you have #1, then having either one of the others may be enough...

If you're lacking #1...you're going to have a tough time turning pro.

The fact that you deem "How well you respond to gear" as a necessity to become a Pro , (which is a BLATANT violation of the IFBB rules and LAW in America) is just pathetic.

No Wonder your sport is a floundering piece of shit.

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« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2007, 07:35:53 PM »
The fact that you deem "How well you respond to gear" as a necessity to become a Pro , (which is a BLATANT violation of the IFBB rules and LAW in America) is just pathetic.

No Wonder your sport is a floundering piece of shit.
It comes down to what Bob Paris said in Olympians and is i feel just like him. It is very frustrating.

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Re: Gear and Genetics...
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2007, 08:34:58 PM »
"genetics" comes down to three factors:

1.How well you're put together from a proportion/symmetry standpoint.

2.How well you respond to training.

3.How well you respond to gear.

If any one of those are absent, then the door is open to those which posess all three....If you have #1, then having either one of the others may be enough...

If you're lacking #1...you're going to have a tough time turning pro.

agreed

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Re: Gear and Genetics...
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2007, 10:05:46 PM »
The fact that you deem "How well you respond to gear" as a necessity to become a Pro , (which is a BLATANT violation of the IFBB rules and LAW in America) is just pathetic.

No Wonder your sport is a floundering piece of shit.

The only thing here that's a floundering piece of shit...is you.

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Re: Gear and Genetics...
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2007, 10:06:46 PM »
The only thing here that's a floundering piece of shit...is you.
Hahahahah i think that comment struck a nerve

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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2007, 10:10:36 PM »
Hahahahah i think that comment struck a nerve

Blatent stupidity always strikes a nerve with me....

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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2007, 10:12:08 PM »
Blatent stupidity always strikes a nerve with me....
Well he does kind of have a point. Although it really is a neccesity to be succesful in the proffessional realm.

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Re: Gear and Genetics...
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2007, 10:14:09 PM »
"genetics" comes down to three factors:

1.How well you're put together from a proportion/symmetry standpoint.

2.How well you respond to training.

3.How well you respond to gear.

If any one of those are absent, then the door is open to those which posess all three....If you have #1, then having either one of the others may be enough...

If you're lacking #1...you're going to have a tough time turning pro.

Great post ! I agree 100 %

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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2007, 10:14:51 PM »
The only thing here that's a floundering piece of shit...is you.

Agreed ! He has absolutely no clue judging by his statement.

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Re: Gear and Genetics...
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2007, 03:26:58 PM »
"genetics" comes down to three factors:

1.How well you're put together from a proportion/symmetry standpoint.

2.How well you respond to training.

3.How well you respond to gear.

If any one of those are absent, then the door is open to those which posess all three....If you have #1, then having either one of the others may be enough...

If you're lacking #1...you're going to have a tough time turning pro.
I agree with this for sure.....Again though, it isnt just yes or no for each of the three categories. It is more of a sliding 1-10 scale. If you are a 10 in the first one, you are well on your way, even if you are only a 5 in the other two.......If you are a 1 in the 1st one, but a 10 in the other two...you end up with a Polumbo.

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Re: Gear and Genetics...
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2007, 04:22:16 PM »
Genetics is more complicated then "good" or "bad".........Genetics can be good for aesthetics...but at the same time bad for building massive amounts of muscle(Arnold, Frank Zane, Richard Jones). Arnold had awesome genetics as far as looking aesthetically pleasing...but he was by no means the biggest bodybuilder to step on stage for his time. Then you have guys who can put on a huge amount of muscle (Polumbo, Greg Kovacs)...however lack greatly in the aesthetically pleasing department.
  Then on top of that your genetics also determine how easy it is for you to get lean and to carry low BF%.


 


Wrong  Arnold was at age 20 the biggest guy around he only lost to Zane in Miami when he went to the states who was like 50 pounds lighter than him .....

Palumbo,and Kovack coudn't put on "huge amount of muscle" like you say with the juice available for Sergio,Arnold, Lou,Bertil in the 70's with their crappy genetics, in fact they abused insulin and GH in such a fashion that it's pointless to assume they have genetics after looking how they do.

Markus Ruhl was 127 pounds at age 19!! at that age an average college boy  would be around 170-185 depending on heigh.
But tons of GH and oil were in the horizon for him too.

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Re: Gear and Genetics...
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2007, 05:23:21 PM »
bob chick is just gay how many victories?he must be busy jackin off on bodybuilding .com or reading mens fittness.lmao
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Re: Gear and Genetics...
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2007, 07:34:05 PM »
Well he does kind of have a point. Although it really is a neccesity to be succesful in the proffessional realm.
Not just Pro BB...

Football, baseball, Olympics....

Why pick on Bodybuilders?

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Re: Gear and Genetics...
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2007, 07:38:27 PM »
The only thing here that's a floundering piece of shit...is you.

so true man, so true