The worlds best lifter ever in any strength sport or BB

[Hedgehog]

not likely alexeev was drugfree. 90% of olympic strength atletes in the 70's were drugged; and eastern block countries were cutting edge on use and detection. if he was drugged he would have had no choice in the matter and may not even had known.he was amazing nonetheless. they calculated that the single quickest body movement in the 76 olympics was alexeev jerking 500+ lbs overhead!!

pisarenko was arrested bringing huge quantities of steroids to north america for a competition.

The only lifter in USSR that could have been drugfree IMO, would have been Alexeiev.

He chose to not live and train with the other Soviet lifters, and was very controversial in USSR back then, because of it.

He employed his own training methods, instead of the regular Russian protocol. Eg, he would never do squats with anything above 600 lbs. This is more akin to the Bulgarian protocol.

He also kept the size after his competitive days, unlike other lifters.

What I am saying is that there is a fair argument that he could've been drugfree, because he was his own man.

Did he use? Looking at his results, it definitely seems that way. It would be great to know more about this, because if Alexeiev did it all without drugs, he's truly the greatest.

-Hedge

[IceCold]

Richard2004 could lift all these un-natural slobs under a table

onlyme knows 20 hawaiians that could easlily do what alexy did. 

[BEAST 8692]

The only lifter in USSR that could have been drugfree IMO, would have been Alexeiev.

He chose to not live and train with the other Soviet lifters, and was very controversial in USSR back then, because of it.

He employed his own training methods, instead of the regular Russian protocol. Eg, he would never do squats with anything above 600 lbs. This is more akin to the Bulgarian protocol.

He also kept the size after his competitive days, unlike other lifters.

What I am saying is that there is a fair argument that he could've been drugfree, because he was his own man.

Did he use? Looking at his results, it definitely seems that way. It would be great to know more about this, because if Alexeiev did it all without drugs, he's truly the greatest.

-Hedge

sorry hedge, but your points clearly indicate that you know very little about either vasily, history, politics, athletics or pharmacology.

[Thick Nick]

I would go with Ed Coan for the best power lifter of all time. I do not know much about all those other crazy lifts, so I cannot speak about this dude.

[Hedgehog]

sorry hedge, but your points clearly indicate that you know very little about either vasily, history, politics, athletics or pharmacology.

Ok.

I've read a fair share about Alexeiev, and like I stated, I believe he probably was using. But it is my belief that he was the most independent athlete in the USSR back then, using his own methods of training, training and living on his own.

If you have info that is different, I would definitely like to know more.

Or just any info on the old lifters like Rigert, Pisarenko and Alexeiev, it's interesting.

-Hedge

[chris_mason]

Ed Coan was rightfully banned from the IPF for life, after failing drug tests not once, not twice, but three times.

Good lifter? Yeah. But he cheated, and got caught.

How many records would he have beaten had he played by the rules?

IMO, Ed Coan cannot be considered as the greatest lifter, since he broke records in a drug-tested federation while using drugs.

-Hedge

a) He certainly wasn't the only one using.
b) His best totals hold up against anyone, steriods or no.

[Hedgehog]

a) He certainly wasn't the only one using.
b) His best totals hold up against anyone, steriods or no.

He kicks the ass of the clown feds, no doubt.

BTW, good to see the USAPL getting the Arnold meet. Are you gonna be involved in that Mason?


-Hedge

[chris_mason]

He kicks the ass of the clown feds, no doubt.

BTW, good to see the USAPL getting the Arnold meet. Are you gonna be involved in that Mason?


-Hedge

Not sure.

We support Louie Simmons and Westside no matter what.  We will sponsor the meets he is getting involved with.  There is only so much money to go around.  I AM glad to see the switch at the Arnold.

[OneManGang]

 Prove that he was drug free. Just prior to his "amazing" run, it is well known that both dianadol, and turanibol were both developed by eastern block communist nations, whose governments, and therefore "sports ministries' were friendly to Russia. I don't buy the drug free portion, but he was a great strength athlete.

Prove that he was drug free??? Idiot, YOU have to prove that he used drugs. You don't have to prove that you are innocent. There is no such proof whatsoever, only your unqualified guessing.

[tommywishbone]

If he was drug free, and I'd wager my life that he wasn't. BUT, if he was drug free, I'm guessing if he had stepped on the gas real hard, he would have C&J 700 and snatched 540-560, @425lb bodyweight.

[onlyme]

onlyme knows 20 hawaiians that could easlily do what alexy did. 

Not to sure about that.  I met Alexiev back around 77 or 78 at a gym called Renaissance Health Club in So. Cal.  There was a older guy there who was an Olympic lifter back in the 50's from Turkey I think.  He was friends with him.  One summer while he was in the US he came by to visit my friend.  He brought him to the gym.  He was wearing a sweat suit.  He was huge to me.  I was only around 220 or so and this guy was just enormous to me.

[OneManGang]

Not to sure about that.  I met Alexiev back around 77 or 78 at a gym called Renaissance Health Club in So. Cal.  There was a older guy there who was an Olympic lifter back in the 50's from Turkey I think.  He was friends with him.  One summer while he was in the US he came by to visit my friend.  He brought him to the gym.  He was wearing a sweat suit.  He was huge to me.  I was only around 220 or so and this guy was just enormous to me.

You are so lucky tp have met a ledgend like that. Did you ever see him lift in training? Did he talk about his training?

[BEAST 8692]

Prove that he was drug free??? Idiot, YOU have to prove that he used drugs. You don't have to prove that you are innocent. There is no such proof whatsoever, only your unqualified guessing.

prove the current mr olympia, jay cutler isn't.

jay has achieved the UNBELIEVABLE and won the greatest prize in bodybuilding, DRUG FREE

see, it works both ways.

there is no way of proving an athlete has taken performance enhancers in the past or present unless they have

1. been busted in a certified correct testing procedure and then PROVEN to be guilty in a court/tribunal hearing.

2. made irrefutable admissions.

this applies as much to a marathon runner, as to the freakiest bber. oh and btw, alexeev's lifts of the time were just as freaky and un-natural as the appearance of the freakiest bber today.

[onlyme]

You are so lucky tp have met a ledgend like that. Did you ever see him lift in training? Did he talk about his training?

no, he just came in with my friend.  My friend wanted us to meet him.  He was defintiely a huge legend back then.  I shook his hand and we said hi and that was it.  I was just a kid of about 20 I think then.

[THEBERG]

What? Eastern European countries were known for their drug free attitude and tough drug testing...

I think we can safely assume that he was on gear. Even the drugs that he took that were not considered to be performance enhancing at the time, are probably now.

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the USA is no better than europeans at using drugs through the olympics and any sports.

[OneManGang]

prove the current mr olympia, jay cutler isn't.

jay has achieved the UNBELIEVABLE and won the greatest prize in bodybuilding, DRUG FREE

see, it works both ways.

there is no way of proving an athlete has taken performance enhancers in the past or present unless they have

1. been busted in a certified correct testing procedure and then PROVEN to be guilty in a court/tribunal hearing.

2. made irrefutable admissions.

this applies as much to a marathon runner, as to the freakiest bber. oh and btw, alexeev's lifts of the time were just as freaky and un-natural as the appearance of the freakiest bber today.

That is  stupid logics. Perhaps Alexeev used, but the chances are that he did not use. There is nothing about his physque that tells us that he used drugs. Jay Cutler has a physique that can not be achieved without drugs. It is as easy as that..

[BEAST 8692]

That is  stupid logics. Perhaps Alexeev used, but the chances are that he did not use. There is nothing about his physque that tells us that he used drugs. Jay Cutler has a physique that can not be achieved without drugs. It is as easy as that..

you're calling me on 'stupid logic'?

steroids don't make you ripped you moron.

steroids help you build muscle. that's it.

alexeev was a very very fat guy, no question, but the guy had a shit load of muscle on his body. a shit load more than any natural guy, you can take that to the bank.

the guy was just as freaky for his time as any bber is today.

your ignorance on the effects of testosterone speaks volumes on your lack of credibility.

[hazbin]

That is  stupid logics. Perhaps Alexeev used, but the chances are that he did not use. There is nothing about his physque that tells us that he used drugs. Jay Cutler has a physique that can not be achieved without drugs. It is as easy as that..

there is nothing about the physique of female volleyball players that indicates steroid use but several tested positive for anabolics.

[OneManGang]

you're calling me on 'stupid logic'?

steroids don't make you ripped you moron.

steroids help you build muscle. that's it.

alexeev was a very very fat guy, no question, but the guy had a shit load of muscle on his body. a shit load more than any natural guy, you can take that to the bank.

the guy was just as freaky for his time as any bber is today.

your ignorance on the effects of testosterone speaks volumes on your lack of credibility.

He never tested positive.....thats the bottomline. Your logics belong in the playground

[BEAST 8692]

He never tested positive.....thats the bottomline. Your logics belong in the playground

back pedalling does you a disservice. just admit you're stupid.

why haven't you stuck to your bbing appearance stance?

you, my friend, are the bottom line.

thanks for playing.

[OneManGang]

This needs to be lifted too. There is additional information in here for those interested.

[kimo]

i didnt like vasili alexxev physique but he was a great weightlifter . . the language on get big is really something . but thats it . many lifters were stronger tjhan alexxev . though . brute strentgh . i mean

[OneManGang]

Of course many here are shocked to see the physique of a real strength athlete, and not the usual kinds of juiced and oiled up peacocks with no functional strength, that are usually shown on this website.

[yates fan]

probably have to go with ed coan as being the most dominant,top of the ladder for roughly 3 decades,one guy who was more than likely drugfree,but didnt compete very much in legit competitions was paul anderson,mostly exhibition lifts,but way ahead of his time.

[arce1988]

  Freak