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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #75 on: April 23, 2007, 09:53:44 PM »
I sure didn't choose to "debate" it with him!   ;D

I think I also asked him what kind of doctor he was and he said something about cardiology or some brand of cardiac care being his main background.  

Ha ha ha.  I've got some stories regarding run-ins with people at expos...

I saw Bill Phillips standing in the corner of the 94 Olympia's expo, and I asked him if Dan "Dukaine" was going to be there...that's how I pronounced it because I'd only read his name, I'd never heard it pronounced "Dushane" by anyone that knew who he was.  Keep in mind I was just a 17-year-old kid at the time.  So he's like, "WHO?"  (like a complete dick)  I said it again.  He said, "You mean Dan DUCHAINE?"  I was like, "well, yeah...whatever?"  He's like, no, he's not here.  DICK.  ha ha  But that's before he'd really made it, but like the idea you just alluded to about "stepping on people on your way up," Mindspin, he was probably still just working out the kinks back then, so I'm not mad at him.  I doubt he'd act like that today...

That was also the same expo that I got Steve Brisbois cornered in his Hot Stuff booth and demanded that he "swear to God he was natural."  Ha ha ha.  I feel so bad for him now.  He squirmed and got pissed, as I kept insisting on him doing so, you know, because at the time, he was not only playing the natural angle, but the Christian one as well!  So he angrily snaps, "YOU DON'T DO THAT!"  "Why not?" I asked.  "YOU JUST DON'T!"  And he walked off.  And he was right...you just don't...or at least not when you understand more about the world...I don't wanna make somebody squirm when they're just trying to put food on their table...but that's also why you don't play the Christian/natural angle when you're marketing to kids (when you also happen to be full of shit)!   ;D    


  


Hahaha, weren't you also the one that posted a story once about calling Ronnie Coleman back in the day when they used to post pros phone numbers in Flex? I remember something like that - Coleman answered and said he gotta do his accountin homework for school. I'm sure he made straight A's too...

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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #76 on: April 23, 2007, 10:39:54 PM »
You're a fucking colombian tool! Your hero, Conelly, was a fvcking anesthesyologist, nothing more. He was an enterpreneuer (sp) who seize the oportunitty to explore a market that was at its begginning stage at the time, and for that precise reason the MET-RX company had a much bigger income than Dorian Yates approved. They got a fresh market, not yet blown away by a lot of bad rep like today's supp industry (see ephedrin, pro hormones, etc.).
Scott was just a big headed, moustached skinny guy who lifted weights in his free time and a mercenary visionary who invested in a new born industry to the masses, so to speak. By the way, good job on his part to help ruin, pull the plug on a fantastic bodybuilder's carrer, Paul deMayo's. What a stand up guy Connelly was. Hey, Yemeni, time to change the worn out knee pads!

Maybe for a guy 'in the know' like you, the credibility of a guy like Scott is prefered than Dorian's. But guys like you are the minority in this bizz. How about the average joe fan, walking down the aisles of an expo, and seeing 6 times Mr.O holding a tray with free samples form products of his OWN company, and by his side, Mr. moustache/big head Connelly, fragile as a feather, speaking about 'metamyosin'....who do you think these people would be more prone too?

Come on, man, you know better than that.....

This thread is getting way out of hand ... LOL ! Mindspin, I bet you wished you never would've brought up this topic. * sigh * ... GetBig ... * The Iron Disciple shakes his head and chuckles to himself ... *

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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #77 on: April 24, 2007, 05:30:50 AM »

Hahaha, weren't you also the one that posted a story once about calling Ronnie Coleman back in the day when they used to post pros phone numbers in Flex? I remember something like that - Coleman answered and said he gotta do his accountin homework for school. I'm sure he made straight A's too...

LOL

Yeah I basically asked Coleman, "What do you do differently than your peers that enables you to be so competitive without all the drugs they're on?"  He was like, "Uh, I just train hahdah!"  I'm like, "Oh, for real?  That's cool..."   ::)  Then he's all, "Hey uh, I've got some accountin' homework to get done man.  I'm still in school for accounting."  I was like, "OK man, thanks."   ;D

I called Mike Mentzer one afternoon and he's like, "hey, I'd like to chat with you, but I'm having some friends over for tea just right now!"  "Oh, OK man, that's cool, maybe I'll catch you later." 

I had no idea they were publishing those numbers for show promoters to call them and stuff, and I'm sure the pros never really knew how to respond when kids called them wanting to talk about working out and stuff.  Clearly very awkward.  I just figured if they were gonna publish the numbers, that I'd call and try to figure out why the hell none of the flex articles were exactly "working" for me.   ;)

I used to call Gold's Venice at 8 o'clock on the Sunday morning after major pro shows (Olympia/Arnold) to get placings, too.  Some guy at the front desk would always be like, "ok, hold on..."  Then you'd hear him asking anybody within earshot of him, "Hey what was the top 5?"  Then like 3 guys would be contributing to the list 'til they got it right and he'd come back and give it to me but I'd already have gotten what they were saying.  It was either that or wait 3-4 months to read about it in Flex.  So then I'd go and put the list up at my gym, knowing now that I'm the only damn person in the whole club that gave 2 shits about it, much less knew who any of the guys were.   ;D

They also used to advertise this one 1-900 number in the back of Flex that was supposed to have those results but it was slow as shit and it just took your money half the time. 

God I was a freak.   :-[   

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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #78 on: April 24, 2007, 07:21:33 AM »
LOL

Yeah I basically asked Coleman, "What do you do differently than your peers that enables you to be so competitive without all the drugs they're on?"  He was like, "Uh, I just train hahdah!"  I'm like, "Oh, for real?  That's cool..."   ::)  Then he's all, "Hey uh, I've got some accountin' homework to get done man.  I'm still in school for accounting."  I was like, "OK man, thanks."   ;D

I called Mike Mentzer one afternoon and he's like, "hey, I'd like to chat with you, but I'm having some friends over for tea just right now!"  "Oh, OK man, that's cool, maybe I'll catch you later." 

I had no idea they were publishing those numbers for show promoters to call them and stuff, and I'm sure the pros never really knew how to respond when kids called them wanting to talk about working out and stuff.  Clearly very awkward.  I just figured if they were gonna publish the numbers, that I'd call and try to figure out why the hell none of the flex articles were exactly "working" for me.   ;)

I used to call Gold's Venice at 8 o'clock on the Sunday morning after major pro shows (Olympia/Arnold) to get placings, too.  Some guy at the front desk would always be like, "ok, hold on..."  Then you'd hear him asking anybody within earshot of him, "Hey what was the top 5?"  Then like 3 guys would be contributing to the list 'til they got it right and he'd come back and give it to me but I'd already have gotten what they were saying.  It was either that or wait 3-4 months to read about it in Flex.  So then I'd go and put the list up at my gym, knowing now that I'm the only damn person in the whole club that gave 2 shits about it, much less knew who any of the guys were.   ;D

They also used to advertise this one 1-900 number in the back of Flex that was supposed to have those results but it was slow as shit and it just took your money half the time. 

God I was a freak.   :-[   

Dude, that is just pure fooking comedy.  I remember seeing the pros numbers and calling one (I forget who).  I wasn't expecting the number to be real, so when he answered I panicked and hung up...ha ha.

This thread is getting way out of hand ... LOL ! Mindspin, I bet you wished you never would've brought up this topic. * sigh * ... GetBig ... * The Iron Disciple shakes his head and chuckles to himself ... *

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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #79 on: April 24, 2007, 10:55:23 AM »
LOL

Yeah I basically asked Coleman, "What do you do differently than your peers that enables you to be so competitive without all the drugs they're on?"  He was like, "Uh, I just train hahdah!"  I'm like, "Oh, for real?  That's cool..."   ::)  Then he's all, "Hey uh, I've got some accountin' homework to get done man.  I'm still in school for accounting."  I was like, "OK man, thanks."   ;D

I called Mike Mentzer one afternoon and he's like, "hey, I'd like to chat with you, but I'm having some friends over for tea just right now!"  "Oh, OK man, that's cool, maybe I'll catch you later." 

I had no idea they were publishing those numbers for show promoters to call them and stuff, and I'm sure the pros never really knew how to respond when kids called them wanting to talk about working out and stuff.  Clearly very awkward.  I just figured if they were gonna publish the numbers, that I'd call and try to figure out why the hell none of the flex articles were exactly "working" for me.   ;)

I used to call Gold's Venice at 8 o'clock on the Sunday morning after major pro shows (Olympia/Arnold) to get placings, too.  Some guy at the front desk would always be like, "ok, hold on..."  Then you'd hear him asking anybody within earshot of him, "Hey what was the top 5?"  Then like 3 guys would be contributing to the list 'til they got it right and he'd come back and give it to me but I'd already have gotten what they were saying.  It was either that or wait 3-4 months to read about it in Flex.  So then I'd go and put the list up at my gym, knowing now that I'm the only damn person in the whole club that gave 2 shits about it, much less knew who any of the guys were.   ;D

They also used to advertise this one 1-900 number in the back of Flex that was supposed to have those results but it was slow as shit and it just took your money half the time. 

God I was a freak.   :-[   

hahaha, tea. That's priceless though, I remember those phone numbers but I never bothered to call because I figured some big time bodybuilder probably had an army of personal assistants and PR reps so the number was probably just to some office somewhere... ;D hah! If only I had known...

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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #80 on: April 24, 2007, 11:16:06 AM »
I'm going to hate myself for even responding to this, but YES!  A qualified MD with 30+ years of experience in dealing with the human metabolism does much more for building consumer brand confidence than a genetic freak pumped full gear.  I won't even get into the rationale for this from a marketing standpoint.  I'll just let the numbers do the talking.  MET-Rx, while owned by Connelly was a $100+ million dollar company.  The Dorian Yates approved company has never exceeded $10 million in annual sales.  

In fact, NONE of the supplement companies started by former pros (Labrada, Gaspari, Dillet, etc.) has ever surpassed the revenues attained by MET-Rx.  Interestingly, after Connelly sold the brand it has completely tanked.

FYI, we did extensive consumer research at many of the companies I worked with (not just MET-Rx) on the value of using pro body building males/females as product endorsers.  The results were always consistent.  Female body builders caused a major negative reaction across all consumer segments.  Male bodybuilders were well perceived by young male teenagers and negatively perceived by most men/women in the 18-49 age range.  
Hope that helps.
 

  Well, Mindspin, I once took a look at a protein bar and protein drink from MetRx, and what I saw mentioned in the labels appalled me: high fructose corn syrup, partially fractioned palm kernel oil, dextrose, maltodextrine, disodium phosphate, etc. These are all red flags in my book! :o How the fuck can one build muscles while being unhealthy? Well, you can build muscles while being unhealthy - look at steroid users -, but eventually you'll lose it due to disease or weakness.

  Fructose is a carbohydrate that is notorious for increasing a process called glycation, which is implicated in artherosclerosis, cancer and the development of wrinkles. I can understand junk drinks like Coca-Cola and Pepsi including high-fructose corn in it's formula, but a company that sells a supposedly healthy nutritional product?

  As for the fractioned palm kernel oil, well, the word "fractioned" is synonymous with "hydrogeneted". In this case, it means "partially hydrogenated". Hydrogeneted oils decrease the amount of HDL cholesterol, and are several times more likely than saturated fats to accumulate in the arteries, thus potentially leading to a myocardial infarction.

  Disodium phosphate is essentially Sodium attached to a phopshate. A diet rich in Sodium is implicated in renal failure, Potassium deficiency, high systolic blood pressure and edema. It is one of the causal factors associated witha series of debilitating diseases associated with premature ageing and death.

  So, yes, Mindspin, I do think that the MetRx products suck; they were already bad for 1993, but are absolutely appalling for 2007. I would much, much rather have a Labrada product, which is devoid of unnecessary trash and contains a higher proportion of whey protein isolates in it's formula - instead of the cheaper whey concentrate -, than a product created by a medical doctor who doesen't know shit about nutrition. Regards. ;)

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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #81 on: April 24, 2007, 11:54:03 AM »
  Well, Mindspin, I once took a look at a protein bar and protein drink from MetRx, and what I saw mentioned in the labels appalled me: high fructose corn syrup, partially fractioned palm kernel oil, dextrose, maltodextrine, disodium phosphate, etc. These are all red flags in my book! :o How the fuck can one build muscles while being unhealthy? Well, you can build muscles while being unhealthy - look at steroid users -, but eventually you'll lose it due to disease or weakness.

  Fructose is a carbohydrate that is notorious for increasing a process called glycation, which is implicated in artherosclerosis, cancer and the development of wrinkles. I can understand junk drinks like Coca-Cola and Pepsi including high-fructose corn in it's formula, but a company that sells a supposedly healthy nutritional product?

  As for the fractioned palm kernel oil, well, the word "fractioned" is synonymous with "hydrogeneted". In this case, it means "partially hydrogenated". Hydrogeneted oils decrease the amount of HDL cholesterol, and are several times more likely than saturated fats to accumulate in the arteries, thus potentially leading to a myocardial infarction.

  Disodium phosphate is essentially Sodium attached to a phopshate. A diet rich in Sodium is implicated in renal failure, Potassium deficiency, high systolic blood pressure and edema. It is one of the causal factors associated witha series of debilitating diseases associated with premature ageing and death.

  So, yes, Mindspin, I do think that the MetRx products suck; they were already bad for 1993, but are absolutely appalling for 2007. I would much, much rather have a Labrada product, which is devoid of unnecessary trash and contains a higher proportion of whey protein isolates in it's formula - instead of the cheaper whey concentrate -, than a product created by a medical doctor who doesen't know shit about nutrition. Regards. ;)

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I could not agree with you more!  With regard to the HFCS, Connelly has been yelling about this for over 15 years.  The fact that they have added it to the MET-Rx formulas is a travesty.

A lot has changed in the formulations since Scott sold the company and it's not surprising.  Big companies are accustomed to making money by "cost optimizing" products and enhancing their margins. 

I will disagree with you however, on the quality of the product in its original formula.  The protein profile is unmatched even today.  And it has nothing to do with whey isolate, cheap caseins, or any of the other nonsense that "experts" are always spouting off about.  Bottom line, there was a very specific amino acid array in the formula that did some pretty amazing stuff.  There were also growth factors that had a significant impact on protein synthesis.  We had not identified them then, but have now.  And, we've managed to isolate and concentrate them!
It’s too bad that the likelihood of this evolving protein formulation will probably never be commercially available.  As I previously mentioned, Scott has founded a nonprofit organization and wants nothing to do with our fooked up industry.  Luckily, I’ve got access to the stuff  :D
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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #82 on: April 24, 2007, 12:47:38 PM »
Gaspari's SIZEON is awesome.  I kept all 10 pounds I gained off it and don't feel any fatter or more bloated.  Even if I am, no one would notice.  Granted there was muscle memory there, but SIZEON is great - the pumps were amazing too.


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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #83 on: April 25, 2007, 11:58:47 PM »
When I was around 15 or so I called Vince Giranda at his gym in California to ask him about his theories on raw fertiel eggs and stuff. 
Surprisingly, he was very pleasant, but when I continued to ask him more questions he flipped out and said he was training someone, hahha...it was great.

Also, at 16 after Pumping Iron 2 the women came out I worked for Steve Michalik at Mr America's in NY.

Many women showed up at the gym after that movie and throughout the years after just to talk to Steve and hopefully get him to train them, so we're not that unusual, lol.

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« Reply #84 on: May 24, 2007, 01:49:00 PM »
The guy is a millionaire

What makes you think that?
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« Reply #85 on: May 24, 2007, 05:34:36 PM »
What makes you think that?

  The Olympia prize money, in the 1990s, was U.S130000.00 and he won it six times. Now I don't know if that's tax free, but let's assume it is. So:

  6 x 130000 = 780000

  Now, it is reasonable to assume that he made three times more than that per year from endorsement contracts and seminars. So:

  780000 x 4 = 3120000

  It is reasonable to assume, that during those six years, he spent a million bucks on drugs, food, plain tickets, etc. So:

  3120000 - 1000000 = 2120000

  If he invested the money, then the compound interest rates would have doubles his net worth over those six years. So his total icome after the end of his tenure as Mr.Olympia is:

  U.S$4240000.00

  Going by the classical definition, a millionaire is someone who posses at least U.S$1000000.00. So yes, Dorian qualiies as a millionaire. My numbers are only an estimate, but they are pretty reasonable. Hope this helps. ;)

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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #86 on: May 24, 2007, 05:39:27 PM »
From Mr. Olympia to doing demos/serving product at a booth :-\



lol....  you dont have a clus what you are talking about!

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« Reply #87 on: May 24, 2007, 05:43:44 PM »
Wow - a guy promoting his own brand at an expo (when the brand was called Dorian Yates Approved). Nice - besides Dorian, we have Lee Labrada, Rich Gaspari, Gerard Dente, and countless others actually working at a booth. It is pretty cool to see them doing that. You know, in order to learn your business, you have to be able to do every job out there, from pouring drinks to talking about your products to even carrying a box.

It is the ones that don't like to help and just stand there that makes me wonder.

To see someone working, even if it is a former Mr. Olympia, is nice.

Get with the program, Mindspin, and stop eating these protein bars and ice cream!


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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #88 on: May 24, 2007, 05:46:29 PM »
I spoke with Yates yesterday and he is more than happy with how his new supp line has taken off in Europe. This along with his Temple franchise is making him good $$. Supps tastes awesome BTW. Check out his new products at www.dorianyates.eu

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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #89 on: May 24, 2007, 05:52:35 PM »
I had no idea they were publishing those numbers for show promoters to call them and stuff, and I'm sure the pros never really knew how to respond when kids called them wanting to talk about working out and stuff.  Clearly very awkward.  I just figured if they were gonna publish the numbers, that I'd call and try to figure out why the hell none of the flex articles were exactly "working" for me.   ;)
This won't surprise anyone, but when I was dieting for my first show at age 18, I used those numbers to call Teen National and Men's National Champ and IFBB Pro Shane DiMora to pick his brain. I don't think I got a whole lot from him.

Then I called Vince Taylor's house in Havre de Grace, Maryland, and his MOTHER answered. I asked what Vince ate and she said, "Oh, he just loves pizza. He eats it everyday." And I said, "What does he drink? Muscle Builder? Weight Gainer 9000?" And she goes, "He drinks Coke. He eats pizza and coke every day." That's right about the time I quit competitive bodybuilding.
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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #90 on: May 24, 2007, 05:57:37 PM »
From Mr. Olympia to doing demos/serving product at a booth :-\



How in the hell did you become a mod making stupid post such as this.........man ron come on.....where is the leadership here? :-\

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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #91 on: May 24, 2007, 07:38:57 PM »
This won't surprise anyone, but when I was dieting for my first show at age 18, I used those numbers to call Teen National and Men's National Champ and IFBB Pro Shane DiMora to pick his brain. I don't think I got a whole lot from him.

Then I called Vince Taylor's house in Havre de Grace, Maryland, and his MOTHER answered. I asked what Vince ate and she said, "Oh, he just loves pizza. He eats it everyday." And I said, "What does he drink? Muscle Builder? Weight Gainer 9000?" And she goes, "He drinks Coke. He eats pizza and coke every day." That's right about the time I quit competitive bodybuilding.




Now thats a pisser....I just had a can of tuna and 1 dry potato........for what???    To look like a fat bastard next to a pizza and coke guy!!! >:(

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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #92 on: May 24, 2007, 07:45:28 PM »
it's a good thing Kevin quit while he was still a-head ;D

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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #93 on: May 24, 2007, 08:10:20 PM »
I spoke with Yates yesterday and he is more than happy with how his new supp line has taken off in Europe. This along with his Temple franchise is making him good $$. Supps tastes awesome BTW. Check out his new products at www.dorianyates.eu

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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #94 on: May 24, 2007, 09:48:20 PM »
Question: if Dorian is a millionaire why is he getting punched out at expos for money he owes people?
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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #95 on: May 24, 2007, 09:56:13 PM »
This won't surprise anyone, but when I was dieting for my first show at age 18, I used those numbers to call Teen National and Men's National Champ and IFBB Pro Shane DiMora to pick his brain. I don't think I got a whole lot from him.

Then I called Vince Taylor's house in Havre de Grace, Maryland, and his MOTHER answered. I asked what Vince ate and she said, "Oh, he just loves pizza. He eats it everyday." And I said, "What does he drink? Muscle Builder? Weight Gainer 9000?" And she goes, "He drinks Coke. He eats pizza and coke every day." That's right about the time I quit competitive bodybuilding.

reminds me of when i read that the great sergio oliva ate pizza and drank coke after his workouts.

i don't recall him adding whey, vitargo, creatine and glutamine to that mix though. :o

might have gobbed a few dballs though. ;)

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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #96 on: May 25, 2007, 05:17:32 AM »
I could not agree with you more!  With regard to the HFCS, Connelly has been yelling about this for over 15 years.  The fact that they have added it to the MET-Rx formulas is a travesty.

A lot has changed in the formulations since Scott sold the company and it's not surprising.  Big companies are accustomed to making money by "cost optimizing" products and enhancing their margins. 

I will disagree with you however, on the quality of the product in its original formula.  The protein profile is unmatched even today.  And it has nothing to do with whey isolate, cheap caseins, or any of the other nonsense that "experts" are always spouting off about.  Bottom line, there was a very specific amino acid array in the formula that did some pretty amazing stuff.  There were also growth factors that had a significant impact on protein synthesis.  We had not identified them then, but have now.  And, we've managed to isolate and concentrate them!
It’s too bad that the likelihood of this evolving protein formulation will probably never be commercially available.  As I previously mentioned, Scott has founded a nonprofit organization and wants nothing to do with our fooked up industry.  Luckily, I’ve got access to the stuff  :D


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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #97 on: May 25, 2007, 05:27:38 AM »
LOL

Yeah I basically asked Coleman, "What do you do differently than your peers that enables you to be so competitive without all the drugs they're on?"  He was like, "Uh, I just train hahdah!"  I'm like, "Oh, for real?  That's cool..."   ::)  Then he's all, "Hey uh, I've got some accountin' homework to get done man.  I'm still in school for accounting."  I was like, "OK man, thanks."   ;D

I called Mike Mentzer one afternoon and he's like, "hey, I'd like to chat with you, but I'm having some friends over for tea just right now!"  "Oh, OK man, that's cool, maybe I'll catch you later." 

I had no idea they were publishing those numbers for show promoters to call them and stuff, and I'm sure the pros never really knew how to respond when kids called them wanting to talk about working out and stuff.  Clearly very awkward.  I just figured if they were gonna publish the numbers, that I'd call and try to figure out why the hell none of the flex articles were exactly "working" for me.   ;)

I used to call Gold's Venice at 8 o'clock on the Sunday morning after major pro shows (Olympia/Arnold) to get placings, too.  Some guy at the front desk would always be like, "ok, hold on..."  Then you'd hear him asking anybody within earshot of him, "Hey what was the top 5?"  Then like 3 guys would be contributing to the list 'til they got it right and he'd come back and give it to me but I'd already have gotten what they were saying.  It was either that or wait 3-4 months to read about it in Flex.  So then I'd go and put the list up at my gym, knowing now that I'm the only damn person in the whole club that gave 2 shits about it, much less knew who any of the guys were.   ;D

They also used to advertise this one 1-900 number in the back of Flex that was supposed to have those results but it was slow as shit and it just took your money half the time. 

God I was a freak.   :-[   
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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #98 on: May 25, 2007, 08:56:27 AM »
Question: if Dorian is a millionaire why is he getting punched out at expos for money he owes people?

he's stingy

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Re: How far they fall... Dorian Yates
« Reply #99 on: May 25, 2007, 09:33:42 AM »
Question: if Dorian is a millionaire why is he getting punched out at expos for money he owes people?

If Donald Trump would be at the same expo, he'd get punched out as well.

Difference is that Dorian feels he's too macho/tough having to have bodyguards and security around him all the time, Donald does not agree on that.
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