Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?

[ToxicAvenger]

bush didn't win FL but got into office thru cheating..same happens in pakistan

he went to war..against/regardless of congress

he's broken geniva convention laws

didn't sign the kyoto treaty

thinks he's doing gods work (so do the taliban)

is convinced he is absolutely right  (so are the taliban)


bombs other places according to his beliefs regardless of international law (so do the taliban)


soo...

is this a democracy?

[24KT]

Isn't it obvious?

[w8tlftr]

My questions are as follows and I think they are valid ones.

If Bush is guilty of all of the accusations you have listed why hasn't he been arrested?

If Bush is guilty of war crimes isn't the UN Security and US Congress also guilty for authorizing military action against Iraq?

How can Bush have lost Florida when the recounts stated otherwise. Even the recounts from such liberal newspapers like the Miami Herald came to the same conclusion.

Which Geneva Convention laws regarding unlawful combatants did the United States violate? If he did break International law then see my first question.



 

[Mr. Intenseone]

If it were a dictatorship, Rosie O'Fat and the rest of the Hollywood left would have been executed long ago!

[ToxicAvenger]

obviously ya didn't notice the word "hidden" and jumped ahead with repb responces with prissy angst..yanno that kinda noise a fag makes when he comes..

[24KT]

My questions are as follows and I think they are valid ones.

If Bush is guilty of all of the accusations you have listed why hasn't he been arrested?

Hmmm... interesting. I suppose a hidden dictatorship could account for that. wouldn't you agree?

If Bush is guilty of war crimes isn't the UN Security and US Congress also guilty for authorizing military action against Iraq?

I wasn't aware he UN Security council authorized the iraq invasion.

Decisions that may or may not have been made by the rubberstamp known as congress, were done so on the basis of doctored intelligence, aka cherry picked lies whose sole purpose was to deceive.

How can Bush have lost Florida when the recounts stated otherwise. Even the recounts from such liberal newspapers like the Miami Herald came to the same conclusion.

Again, the hidden dictatorship theory would account for this as well?

Which Geneva Convention laws regarding unlawful combatants did the United States violate? If he did break International law then see my first question.

He is the decider. 

[Camel Jockey]

obviously ya didn't notice the word "hidden" and jumped ahead with repb responces with prissy angst..yanno that kinda noise a fag makes when he comes..

LOL


If Bush is guilty of war crimes isn't the UN Security and US Congress also guilty for authorizing military action against Iraq?

He lied to them.

If Bush is guilty of all of the accusations you have listed why hasn't he been arrested?

Because of people like you.

How can Bush have lost Florida when the recounts stated otherwise. Even the recounts from such liberal newspapers like the Miami Herald came to the same conclusion.


That's debatable.

[Camel Jockey]

i gotta visit you one day and show you its possible to fuck white chickx without sucking repb cock man...

honest...seriously..fo free without paying for it...even brownie hating jap bitches..i swear..be my grasshoppa..i'll be your yoda..

and you wont even have to be an asshole like jimmy to get sum..you can be nice..and honest..and have your way...its possible..i'm living proof 

just gotta have great hair 

I think you misread my post, Junaid. I was being critical of w8tlftr. I probably should have put his stuff in quotes and not bold.

Oh, and what the hell are you talking about? I don't care for "white chickx"  I'd rather bang one of your cousins.

[ToxicAvenger]

I'd rather bang one of your cousins.

ewww...most of em aren't all that...i mean ewww..bleh..

[Camel Jockey]

ewww...most of em aren't all that...i mean ewww..bleh..

You should apologize to me for the misunderstanding, mate.

I don't care.. I just want a decent face, thin and a similar complexion to you or myself. I'm not really in any game right now.. just straight porn. 

[Hedgehog]

obviously ya didn't notice the word "hidden" and jumped ahead with repb responces with prissy angst..yanno that kinda noise a fag makes when he comes..

You know, you raises some interesting points in this thread.

You really do.

But you somehow manage to steer off due to your lust to come across as "rebel" or "cool" or whatever.

No need for that. Just post your opinions. The other material, it's getting kind of... old, yanno..


Let me address some of the points in your first post:

bush didn't win FL but got into office thru cheating..same happens in pakistan

he went to war..against/regardless of congress

He had the support of the congress.

A lot of congressmen from both parties are getting heat for backing Bush, I think you've seen that.

he's broken geniva convention laws

Doesn't mean USA is a hidden dictatorship. The effects of a hidden dictatorship are mainly seen domestically.

didn't sign the kyoto treaty

True. But in no way does this support the claim that USA is a hidden dictatorship. The decision to sign or not to sign was the president's.

thinks he's doing gods work (so do the taliban)

Very bizarre. But has nothing to do with whether USA is a hidden dictatorship or not.

is convinced he is absolutely right  (so are the taliban)

It certainly seems like that. But once again, has nothing to do with a hidden dictatorship or not.

bombs other places according to his beliefs regardless of international law (so do the taliban)

Nothing in this suggests that USA is a hidden dictatorship.

soo...

is this a democracy?

Of course. A lousy president. But a democracy? Without a doubt.

There are problems with the US democracy, eg prisoners or certain former prisoners aren't allowed to vote, but USA is in all essence a democracy.

You raise an interesting point however, that very few are holding the President accountable. Or at least, have for many years. The US system is based on checks and balances. The checks and balance of the president have been invisible the last few years, as have the media.

Only recently have these outlets started to do their job.

-Hedge


-Hedge

[ToxicAvenger]

You know, you raises some interesting points in this thread.

You really do.

But you somehow manage to steer off due to your lust to come across as "rebel" or "cool" or whatever.

you read 2 much into me.. 

relax..stop trying so hard to be improbable..

and mabe you'll find that you r practicle

cheers

[Mr. Intenseone]

LOL


If Bush is guilty of war crimes isn't the UN Security and US Congress also guilty for authorizing military action against Iraq?

He lied to them.

If Bush is guilty of all of the accusations you have listed why hasn't he been arrested?

Because of people like you.

How can Bush have lost Florida when the recounts stated otherwise. Even the recounts from such liberal newspapers like the Miami Herald came to the same conclusion.


That's debatable.

You forgot about the other typical Lib response........"It's about the oil" !!

[240 is Back]

You forgot about the other typical Lib response........"It's about the oil" !!

Joe,

Bush stood in the rose garden in December and said that the US *must* control Iraqi oil for our long term sustainability as a nation.  He went on to say that they cannot control pricing and selling - we have to do that for them - to ensure we can get it at a price we want.

I support the war because our nation needs it to set up the bases and pipeline in iraq to manage their oil.  We need it for our economy.  The current chaos is actually GOOD for us - because once there is peace, the US has to leave.  When we finish setting up, we will leave. 

it's not about 'protecting the poor iraqi people'.  It's about oil - which our nation needs.  It's not a "lib" response - it's an economics response.  And no one denies it anymore, Joe.  Our leaders make it clear we are there to manage Iraqi oil.

[gcb]

Joe,

Bush stood in the rose garden in December and said that the US *must* control Iraqi oil for our long term sustainability as a nation.  He went on to say that they cannot control pricing and selling - we have to do that for them - to ensure we can get it at a price we want.

I support the war because our nation needs it to set up the bases and pipeline in iraq to manage their oil.  We need it for our economy.  The current chaos is actually GOOD for us - because once there is peace, the US has to leave.  When we finish setting up, we will leave. 

it's not about 'protecting the poor iraqi people'.  It's about oil - which our nation needs.  It's not a "lib" response - it's an economics response.  And no one denies it anymore, Joe.  Our leaders make it clear we are there to manage Iraqi oil.

I would have to disagree with this - certainly the oil will help in the short term, but in the long term it's about control. Feuls can be developed from grain and other plant products but it is not cost effect at the moment, if real money was put into it economic alternatives could be found. The reason the technology is not being developed has probably got more to do with controlling a resource where the person who owns the oil field has a monopoly. If we develop alternatives this monopoly would be harder to enforce  - after all anyone can grow grains in a field. The control of the oil is simply a medium term measure to maintain a stranglehold on the market.

[seauantea]

I pray none of you are American, because not one person in this thread understands the nature of American Government. America is not a democracy and it is not a dictatorship(at least not yet). It is a constitutional democracy; a government consisting of elected representatives upholding the rule of law as set forth in the constitution.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic

[24KT]

I pray none of you are American, because not one person in this thread understands the nature of American Government. America is not a democracy and it is not a dictatorship(at least not yet). It is a constitutional democracy; a government consisting of elected representatives upholding the rule of law as set forth in the constitution.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic

since when?

[Hedgehog]

Joe,

Bush stood in the rose garden in December and said that the US *must* control Iraqi oil for our long term sustainability as a nation.  He went on to say that they cannot control pricing and selling - we have to do that for them - to ensure we can get it at a price we want.

I support the war because our nation needs it to set up the bases and pipeline in iraq to manage their oil.  We need it for our economy.  The current chaos is actually GOOD for us - because once there is peace, the US has to leave.  When we finish setting up, we will leave. 

it's not about 'protecting the poor iraqi people'.  It's about oil - which our nation needs.  It's not a "lib" response - it's an economics response.  And no one denies it anymore, Joe.  Our leaders make it clear we are there to manage Iraqi oil.

As long as there is chaos in Iraq, the economy there will be ineffective, and that's not capitalistically sound.

Any capitalist will tell you that the state of peace is most efficient for the world economy, and for a nation's economy, ie USA would be better off if there was more peace and LESS chaos in the world.

As far as the oil resources goes: USA is also better off with NOT controlling another country's oil, because it would force USA to make both technological improvements as well as trade improvements internationally.

Those would be long-term solutions which would cause possible giant leaps in the US economy:

What if all cars in 10 years had an alternative energy source? How would that affect the US economy, and the US society as a whole?

If USA leeches Iraq for oil, what will happen to the Iraqi economy, and how do you think the public in that area will react to that? And would you blame them for it?

There are so many reasons why USA should give 100% control of the oil to the Iraqi people. Foreign relations being one of them.

-Hedge

[gcb]

I have to agree with hedge.

[Old_Rooster]

bush didn't win FL but got into office thru cheating..same happens in pakistan

he went to war..against/regardless of congress

he's broken geniva convention laws

didn't sign the kyoto treaty

thinks he's doing gods work (so do the taliban)

is convinced he is absolutely right  (so are the taliban)


bombs other places according to his beliefs regardless of international law (so do the taliban)


soo...

is this a democracy?

My goodness, when will democrats quit crying about Florida.  Its hysterical.  You lost, deal with it bubba.

[Old_Rooster]

The poster of this thread should have lived In Iraq with Saddam in power, he then would know what a true dictatorship is all about.

America?  Fuck son, this is disneyland.

[seauantea]

Excellent point, democracy seems to be doing wonders for these people

[Old_Rooster]

Excellent point, democracy seems to be doing wonders for these people

Things were not to hunky dory here when we separated from england, some things take time.

[240 is Back]

My goodness, when will democrats quit crying about Florida.  Its hysterical.  You lost, deal with it bubba.

the dems DID win in Ohio in 2004.  And the republicans sued to prevent the paper ballots from being counted.  in fact, it's STILL being fought in the courts.  Republicans want them destroyed, Dems want them counted.  Statistically, there is a 1 in 50,000 chance that the recount will show Bush won.  There is also a 49,999 in 50,000 chance that Kerry will have more votes.

perhaps someday we'll know.  And of course the job is Bush's to keep.  But I wouldn't mock people who want all the votes counted.  If Hilary cheats her way into office in 2008, I have a feeling a few of the people who poo-poo'ed all this talk now, will suddenly get very interested in vote legitimacy

[seauantea]

Things were not to hunky dory here when we separated from england, some things take time.

Drawing a parallel between a tributary nation revolting from an imperial power and a sovereign nation being effectively annexed by one; how stupid can you be...