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Nicotine
« on: April 23, 2007, 04:27:43 PM »
Does anyone know if nicotine does anything to boost test or suppress estrogen, ive noticed that most of the guys i grew up with who smoked alot and early have very masculine features

Also chicks i know who smoked since middle school never seems to develope as much i.e. bigger ass / thighs and boobs

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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2007, 01:21:31 AM »
Nicotine is an aromatase inhibitor, so it lowers estrogen conversion from testosterone.

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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2007, 03:11:13 AM »
nicotine is a drug that should be nowhere close to anything related to bodybuilding.


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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2007, 08:08:46 AM »
nicotine is a drug that should be nowhere close to anything related to bodybuilding.

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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2007, 12:07:45 PM »
nicotine is a drug that should be nowhere close to anything related to bodybuilding.




Absolutely right.

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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2007, 04:53:31 PM »
nicotine is a drug that should be nowhere close to anything related to bodybuilding.



why the hell not? ive tryed having a cig b4 bed and not more and i sware i wake up w some crazy morning wood just like taking an anti E its alot cheaper then buying anti E supps

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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2007, 07:14:56 PM »
why the hell not? ive tryed having a cig b4 bed and not more and i sware i wake up w some crazy morning wood just like taking an anti E its alot cheaper then buying anti E supps

Smoking constricts the arteries.  Not a desired application for bodybuilding. 

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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2007, 07:25:21 PM »
i see, well what would you suggest then for someone with really high test but also high estrogen levels.

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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2007, 01:10:18 AM »
why the hell not? ive tryed having a cig b4 bed and not more and i sware i wake up w some crazy morning wood just like taking an anti E its alot cheaper then buying anti E supps

?? You're not serious, are you??

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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2007, 09:03:37 AM »
i see, well what would you suggest then for someone with really high test but also high estrogen levels.

cruciferous vegetables have an anti-estrogenic effect (brocolli, cabbage, brussle sprouts) and they don't cause lung cancer

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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2007, 09:07:27 AM »
cruciferous vegetables have an anti-estrogenic effect (brocolli, cabbage, brussle sprouts) and they don't cause lung cancer


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

but munching on some broccoli is prolly not as COOL as smoking.

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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2007, 09:25:48 AM »

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

but munching on some broccoli is prolly not as COOL as smoking.

True.  But to me, being healthy and having white teeth is pretty cool also.


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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2007, 09:27:06 AM »
True.  But to me, being healthy and having white teeth is pretty cool also.



haha, yeah, me too. I can't believe some people think that smoking had any 'advantages'.  :-\

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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2007, 04:00:46 PM »
its grose i know, but just tryin to get a more shredded dry look, not matter what my tone is i always look a little soft and it pisses me off

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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2007, 04:09:03 PM »
its grose i know, but just tryin to get a more shredded dry look, not matter what my tone is i always look a little soft and it pisses me off

Nicotine (Cigarettes) is actually a drug. Actually it's made up of many drugs that speed up your metabolism, so you going to burn calories quicker.When you stop smoking, there are reflexes that slow down your metabolism which will increase your ability to gain weight.


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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2007, 05:58:39 PM »
jeez im not a smoker, just pointing out that a cig b4 bed gives the same feeling the next moring as some of the anti-estrogen products

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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2007, 08:49:09 PM »
Does anyone know if nicotine does anything to boost test or suppress estrogen, ive noticed that most of the guys i grew up with who smoked alot and early have very masculine features

Also chicks i know who smoked since middle school never seems to develope as much i.e. bigger ass / thighs and boobs

  You got that wrong. It is not that nicotine induces masculine features; it's that manly men like to smoke! It's true: guys with high natural levels of testosterone then to have a stronger dopaminergic activity in their nucleus accumbens, which in turn triggers the desire to smoke - and consume psychostimulants. Hope this helps! :)

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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2007, 05:26:28 PM »
i knew they had to be tied together somehow...

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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2010, 09:20:55 PM »
 You got that wrong. It is not that nicotine induces masculine features; it's that manly men like to smoke! It's true: guys with high natural levels of testosterone then to have a stronger dopaminergic activity in their nucleus accumbens, which in turn triggers the desire to smoke - and consume psychostimulants. Hope this helps! :)

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I agree with what you say but just to confirm anti-estrogen effects of nicotine:

Tobacco alkaloid derivatives as inhibitors of breast cancer aromatase.

Kadohama N, Shintani K, Osawa Y.

Endocrine Biochemistry Department, Medical Foundation of Buffalo Research Institute, N.Y. 14203.

The inhibition of estrogen biosynthesis by the use of aromatase inhibitors is emerging as a valuable approach to breast cancer therapy. Because smoking has a profound effect on estrogen-related processes we examined the ability of tobacco constituents to suppress estrogen production by breast cancer aromatase. N-n-octanoylnornicotine and N-(4-hydroxyundecanoyl) anabasine suppressed aromatase activity in culture of two human breast cancer cell lines, MDA-MB-231 (IC50 of 310 and 20 microM, respectively) and SK-BR-3 (IC50 of 450 and approximately 2 microM, respectively). MDA-MB-231 cells induced by 250 nM dexamethasone or 1 mM (Bt)2cAMP were slightly more sensitive to both inhibitors. Kinetic analyses showed that inhibition by N-(4-hydroxyundecanoyl)anabasine is competitive with respect to androstenedione as substrate, with apparent Ki values of 0.2 microM against microsomal aromatase activity derived from both (Bt)2cAMP-induced MDA-MB-231 cells and human breast tumor tissue. The corresponding apparent Ki against human placental microsomal aromatase activity was 0.4 microM. These results indicate that acyl derivatives of nornicotine and anabasine block estrogen formation in breast tumor cells and tissue and could contribute to the decreased intra-tissue estrogen levels in women who smoke.

PMID: 8313352 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Competitive inhibition of human placental aromatase by N-n-octanoylnornicotine and other nornicotine derivatives.

Bullion K, Ohnishi S, Osawa Y.

Endocrine Biochemistry Department, Medical Foundation of Buffalo Research Institute, NY 14203.

In a study of the effect of N-n-octanoylnornicotine and other acyl derivatives of nornicotine on the aromatization of androstenedione by human placental microsomal aromatase, we found that N-n-octanoylnornicotine, a component of cigarette smoke, exhibited competitive inhibition with an apparent Ki of 0.65 microM. This is comparable to that of aminoglutethimide, the clinically-used non-steroidal aromatase inhibitor. N-n-Decanoylnornicotine and N-(4-hydroxyundecanoyl)nornicotine exhibited apparent Ki values of 0.86 microM and 0.24 microM, respectively. This study suggests that cigarette smoke components may have a direct effect on estrogen biosynthesis and that these compounds may prove to be useful parent structures for development of active site probes for further elucidation of estrogen biosynthesis and might eventually lead to the development of alternative non-steroidal anti-cancer therapy.

PMID: 1811989 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Nicotine and estrogen metabolism--possible implications of smoking for growth and outcome of treatment of hormone-dependent cancer? Discussion of experimental results.

Zeller WJ, Berger MR.

Institute of Toxicology and Chemotherapy, German Cancer Research Center, Heidelberg.

The combination treatment of hormone-dependent autochthonous mammary carcinomas in the rat with nicotine plus HECNU, a water-soluble nitrosourea, resulted in a potentiation of antitumor action. Nicotine and its metabolite cotinine are strong inhibitors of the aromatase. With regard to investigations in smoking women, suggesting a decreased endogenous estrogen production, our results indicate that smoking might influence growth and treatment results of hormone-dependent human cancer.

PMID: 2606936 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Constituents of cigarette smoke inhibit human granulosa cell aromatase.

Barbieri RL, McShane PM, Ryan KJ.

Recent epidemiologic studies suggest that women smokers have lower endogenous estrogen levels than nonsmokers. The effects of aqueous extracts of cigarette smoke on aromatase were evaluated in cultures of human granulosa cells. Aqueous extracts of cigarette smoke inhibited the conversion of androstenedione (delta 4A) to estradiol in a dose-dependent manner. Dialysis experiments demonstrated that 90% of the inhibitory activity of aqueous extracts of cigarette smoke was in the less than 1000 mol wt fraction. Removal of the aqueous extract of cigarette smoke from the culture medium resulted in a complete reversal of the inhibition of delta 4A aromatization. Addition of supraphysiologic concentrations of delta 4A (73 microM) to the culture medium blocked the smoke-induced inhibition of aromatization. Two low-molecular-weight components of cigarette smoke, nicotine and anabasine, inhibited granulosa cell aromatase in a dose-dependent manner. These studies suggest that constituents of cigarette smoke inhibit a major steroidogenic pathway.

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Nicotine, cotinine, and anabasine inhibit aromatase in human trophoblast in vitro.

Barbieri RL, Gochberg J, Ryan KJ.

Epidemiologic studies suggest that women who smoke have lower endogenous estrogen than nonsmokers. To explore the possible link between cigarette smoking and decreased endogenous estrogens, we have examined the effects of constituents of tobacco on estrogen production in human choriocarcinoma cells and term placental microsomes. In choriocarcinoma cell cultures, nicotine, cotinine (a major metabolite of nicotine), and anabasine (a minor component of cigarette tobacco) all inhibited androstenedione conversion to estrogen in a dose-dependent fashion. Removal of nicotine, cotinine, and anabasine from the culture medium resulted in the complete reversal of the inhibition of aromatase. In the choriocarcinoma cell cultures, a supraphysiologic concentration of androstenedione (73 microM) in the culture medium blocked the inhibition of aromatase caused by nicotine, cotinine, and anabasine. In preparations of term placental microsomes, nicotine, cotinine, and anabasine inhibited the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. Kinetic analysis demonstrated the inhibition to be competitive with respect to the substrate. These findings suggest that some nicotinic alkaloids directly inhibit aromatase. This mechanism may explain, in part, the decreased estrogen observed in women who smoke.

PMID: 3711333 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2010, 10:37:50 AM »
why the hell not? ive tryed having a cig b4 bed and not more and i sware i wake up w some crazy morning wood just like taking an anti E its alot cheaper then buying anti E supps

  How you have established a causal link between you smoking a cigarette before bed and waking up with an erection is beyond me. Even if nicotine does suppress estrogen and or raise testosterone, your morning erection might have nothing to do with it and you might have woken up with an erection even if you hadn't smoked the cigarette. And even if nicotine does boost testosterone, the mode of delivery you're using is so deleterious to your health that the cost/benefit of it isn't worth it.

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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2010, 02:39:54 PM »
nicotine is a drug that should be nowhere close to anything related to bodybuilding.



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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2010, 08:19:48 PM »
nicotine is a drug that should be nowhere close to anything related to bodybuilding.


So a drug that:
-improves mood
-suppresses appetite
-raises metabolism
-lowers estrogen;

has no place in bodybuilding? if you can't think a particular time in a bodybuilder's regiment where nicotine may help then you my friend have no place on this board

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Re: Nicotine
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2010, 08:22:21 PM »
So a drug that:
-improves mood
-suppresses appetite
-raises metabolism
-lowers estrogen;

has no place in bodybuilding? if you can't think a particular time in a bodybuilder's regiment where nicotine may help then you my friend have no place on this board
your right, but io did you know that you were quoting a 3 year old post?  ;D