ya know, today i didn't even feel like arguing politics here.
I wouldn't argue that the sky is blue with a blind man. Arguing with a neotaint about how morally correct this war is, or how well it's going, is akin to that. They don't want to see the reality that the rest of the world sees, and now 3/4 of their own nation sees.
I don't blame them. They have a lot of themselves invested in their party. Can you imagine telling your family the stuff you've been spewing to them for 6 years is wrong? no way their insecure egos can take that hit. They don't want too look stupid. Plus, they hate "liberals" more than they hate seeing US caskets.
Yes, read that again.
They hate "liberals" more than they hate seeing caskets come home with our fallen soldiers. They'd rather 3350, or 5000, or 10,000 Americans fall, than admit someone like Kerry or Hilary is right about the need to pull out.