Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?

[Bear]

Milos claims to have proof.

I would think that an organization would welcome evidence of any wrongdoing so that they could address judging integrity failures to keep the sport as pure and untarnished as possible.

If he indeed has proof, it could only improve the sport by helping to make sure the best man wins.

Yes, people are always keen to accept accusations of corruption or fowl play, surely they would want to indict themselves because it would make the sport fairer?!?! People wouldn't lie for personal gain...



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[240 is Back]

I haven't read this whole thread.

But those pics are hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the guy who finished first got a monster christmas present.

I pray that nobody here jumps to his defense and says he was the best man on that stage.

hahahaha holy crap that is so funny he won - WITH A PERFECT SCORE!  Hilarious!!

[bigdumbbell]

milos should be thanked for speaking out not crucified...milos wants the standard high not just garbage fixed contests.  garbage fixed shows make no sense.  might as well hold it at a jimmyz show then. and ...well, it could have gone either way?  in this instance to say that is almost insulting our intelligence.
so, did he get suspended?

[New Hank Wood]

milos should be thanked for speaking out not crucified...milos wants the standard high not just garbage fixed contests.  garbage fixed shows make no sense.  might as well hold it at a jimmyz show then. and ...well, it could have gone either way?  in this instance to say that is almost insulting our intelligence.
so, did he get suspended?

I see your point.  i am Milos' side for this one.

Look, the fact that Pro Bodybuilding is a 'pagaent' and not a 'sport' is the reason why we will continue to see situations like this arise again and again. 

Judging in Pro Bodybuilding events is a purely subjective call.  Bodybuilding pagaents will generally, always be controversial for this reason alone...It is quite a simple concept to understand really.  Even your average Meathead should be able to comprehend this one!

[BEAST 8692]

So since it's completely obvious that the "winner" won because the show was rigged, can some of you more legal people answer what would be required to prove said rigging?

I'm guessing photos/video and someones word is not enough. Hypothetically speaking, what would be?



My second question is: Who would be the jury on this one? IFBB? The Asian federation? Or an unbiased third party? If third party, who?

garraeth, milos doesn't want to go near a court, trust me.

we all know what's gone on here and huge praise needs to go to milos for having the courage, compassion and integrity to look after his athlete's interest, but seriously, you have a snow ball's chance in hell of proving anything from this much information.

you want to go legal? milos would be fighting an uphill battle on a defamation suit UNLESS he has something that proves that chua cheated (that kind of rolls doesn't it?). he would need to prove this in court with documentary/video/tape recorded evidence or witness testimonials.

then again, milos says he has evidence. i really hope so.

[UK Gold]

Given how corrupt the IFBB is, i wouldn't be surprised if the people who have the final say on Milos's possible suspension are Sean, Bob, and Texasbubba.

[Lee_a_priest]

Once again ..... Mr. Perfect    and guys way below him .....

HAVENT SEEN JUDGING THAT BAD SINCE BOB WON THE MASTERS.......NOTHING FISHY HERE.............EVEN THOU IT STINKS

[timfogarty]

So since it's completely obvious that the "winner" won because the show was rigged, can some of you more legal people answer what would be required to prove said rigging?

Milos said the results were posted within minutes, which means they were typed out ahead of time.  some evidence of that would be enough.

[gordiano]

F UC K HOPE MILOS DOSENT RAISE THAT POINT HERE....ALL IFBB SHOWS WOULD BE DROPPED

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Good one Lee!

[phyxsius]

HAVENT SEEN JUDGING THAT BAD SINCE BOB WON THE MASTERS.......NOTHING FISHY HERE.............EVEN THOU IT STINKS

Hahahha.. Good call Lee... Ain't that the truth

[texasbubba]

Milos said the results were posted within minutes, which means they were typed out ahead of time.  some evidence of that would be enough.

how many minutes?  The scores are entered into a spreadsheet.  Anyone with 10 key experience can punch in numbers quickly.  Circumstantial at best, but proves nothing.  So what else you got.  Other than folks are judging the results by still pictures.  Why don't we quit leasing venues and just have competitors send in pictures so they can be judged results can be posted for competitors to see?  Still pictures don't mean anything when you are judging.  There are many nuances one must look for while a competitor is posing.  Time doesn't stop in real life.

[MR.BIG]

texasbuba

Are you blind ..... did you saw the pics ..... you don`t need both eyes to see that something was wrong

[bigdumbbell]

lee a priest  you got it so right!

i say hold the contest at JimmyZ's   LOL 
so the judges can capture the real time fluidity and nuances of an "Art" show called a bodybuilding contest   

[Vince B]

We used to publish the results after the end of the contest. All judging in our contests happened during the so-called pre-judging. The evening show was for the audience and everyone knew that. No judging occurred then. So it was easy to work out who won and print the results. If contests ran late it was a bit tricky getting everything finished in time. That was a job for the chairman of the judges who didn't actually judge the contest himself.

[New Hank Wood]

Meatheads please, enough!  Try and get your heads around the concept that, Bodybuilding is a pagaent, period.  It is not a sport!

There are no winners here.  Judging has, and will always will be, subjective!  Hence, corruption and irregularities, can and will continue to prevail.

I know this is a difficult concept to embrace you Neanderthals.  So i will repeat; Bodybuilding is a pagaent and therefore follows the protocols of subjectivity!

[Chick]

HAVENT SEEN JUDGING THAT BAD SINCE BOB WON THE MASTERS.......NOTHING FISHY HERE.............EVEN THOU IT STINKS

Please.....2 out of your 3 wins were gifts, circusboy.

[New Hank Wood]

       PAGAENT WARS  !!!!!!


IFBB     Versus    PDI


Which Pagaent will reign supreme 

[Lee_a_priest]

Please.....2 out of your 3 wins were gifts, circusboy.

OUCH HIT A NERVE ON BOB........WHICH WERE??  DONT HATE BOB.........ONE THING I CAN SAY BOB THE IFBB HAS NEVER GIVEN ME A GIFT.....BUT THEN AGAIN OVE THE YEARS PAYING 17,000 IN FINE I GUESS I COULD GET ONE...........YOU NEVER EVEN DESERVED A GIFT

[New Hank Wood]

Chick, i understand that if i mildly criticize you, my posts will be removed.



Chick, you are Pro Bodybuilding's historian.  I would never question your take and knowledge on the history of this so-called sport.

 I am more interested as to why someone with your standing in the bodybuilding community, has the time and patience to even bother responding to a post made by the much reviled Lee Priest???

Now is that a fair question?  Not hating Chick, just want the balance addressed.

[Chick]

OUCH HIT A NERVE ON BOB........WHICH WERE??  DONT HATE BOB.........ONE THING I CAN SAY BOB THE IFBB HAS NEVER GIVEN ME A GIFT.....BUT THEN AGAIN OVE THE YEARS PAYING 17,000 IN FINE I GUESS I COULD GET ONE...........YOU NEVER EVEN DESERVED A GIFT

They've never given me a gift either...your $17,000 in fines were the fault of no one but your own...oh yeah, and your buddy Wayne, who was the one that fined you.

Who's the one hating, Lee...?

[Tony Doherty]

Please.....2 out of your 3 wins were gifts, circusboy.

Hey Chick, you, as IFBB rep should not say this. It discredits the promoters, judges and federation. Lee won my show and won it fair. I can only hope you are talking about the other shows he won. There should be no gifts at all.

I believe that my judges, judge what is front of them on the day. Mostly they have a good rep as do all IFBB judges. You saying this perpetuates the hate and conspiracy theories that pollute bodybuilding.

Keep up the good work but dont discredit your own organization to try and get an internet win over Lee.  

Remember winning an argument on the internet is like a medal at the special olympics, even if you win, you are still retarded.

[Lee_a_priest]

They've never given me a gift either...your $17,000 in fines were the fault of no one but your own...oh yeah, and your buddy Wayne, who was the one that fined you.

Who's the one hating, Lee...?

YOU ARE BOB......NO BENS NAME ON LETTER ALL MY LETTERS EVEN THE LAST ONE REMEBER....ITS ALWAYS BEEN MY FAULT .....TELLING THE TRUTH IS A FLAW OF MINE.....

[Lee_a_priest]

Hey Chick, you, as IFBB rep should not say this. It discredits the promoters, judges and federation. Lee won my show and won it fair. I can only hope you are talking about the other shows he won. There should be no gifts at all.

I believe that my judges, judge what is front of them on the day. Mostly they have a good rep as do all IFBB judges. You saying this perpetuates the hate and conspiracy theories that pollute bodybuilding.

Keep up the good work but dont discredit your own organization to try and get an internet win over Lee.  

Remember winning an argument on the internet is like a medal at the special olympics, even if you win, you are still retarded.

HEY YOU BLOODY C U N T.....NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING RETARDED LOOK AT ME....HOW ARE THINGS DOWN UNDER TONY? GOOD I HOPE....TAKE CARE
LEE

[CRIS]

Please.....2 out of your 3 wins were gifts, circusboy.

You have some nerve calling Lee a circus boy....so much for 'look who's talking'...


If there's any clown in the IFBB town, he goes by the name CHICKSTER, the clown! And as his side kick, Sean Rey, the sea monkey .

At the next Olympia you guys should wear your clown 'entertainer' suits and add a sketch to the night show: HIT THE CLOWN AND GO TO TOWN. It would consist on placing Mr. Rafael Santonja in the middle of the stage, naked, and the volunteers that manage to throw the greatest amount of pies at his face will win a dinner for 2 at a nice steak house on the strip.

How about that?

[Chick]

YOU ARE BOB......NO BENS NAME ON LETTER ALL MY LETTERS EVEN THE LAST ONE REMEBER....ITS ALWAYS BEEN MY FAULT .....TELLING THE TRUTH IS A FLAW OF MINE.....

I didn't bring your name up in my post, come to think of it....no one else did either.

What's a matter...a little bored? I guess you would be...your "season" doesn't start until Sept...come to think of it, it ends in Sept. also..!