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Tenet's Book Riddled With Inconsistencies
« on: May 01, 2007, 06:08:49 PM »
RUSH: George Tenet.  If there's ever living evidence that President Bush held onto too many people from the previous administration, in not only the CIA, state department and a number of other places, George Tenet is the guy.  It's difficult to know where to start in dealing with this.  Remember when Charles Barkley wrote his autobiography and somebody asked him about a couple things and he said he was misquoted?  Misquoted in his own autobiography.  It's almost like George Tenet has written a book but on a number of things he wasn't around when it was being written.  Now, the Weekly Standard, Bill Kristol, a bunch of people have been doing some incredible research into the book, even before -- I think the book comes out today.  Or it's already out, yesterday, or whatever.  If it's not, it's going to be soon. 

One of the most egregious things that Tenet reports is that on September 12th he was in the White House, and he saw Richard Perle walk out of the Oval Office, said, "What's Perle doing in there before the president has seen me?  According to Tenet, Perle said, "Well, this is it. Iraq's behind this and we gotta go get Iraq.  Finally we're going to be able to go get Iraq."  Well, guess what?  Richard Perle was not in the country on September 12th.  He was out of the country.  He couldn't get back in because air traffic control had closed all American airspace.  It was four days before we were allowing flights in this country.  How does something like that happen?  Maybe Mr. Tenet was misquoted in his own book.  But Perle is not even in the country, for crying out loud.  He says he saw him coming out of the Oval Office, meeting with Bush before he did.  One of the other things -- and this has long been bandied about in the Drive-By Media.  The Democrats and the Drive-Bys have done their best to suggest that Cheney made it all up about Al-Qaeda being in Iraq before 9/11, and he didn't make it up.  It's in the book. 

Of course, I don't know what we can believe in this book, frankly, with that Richard Perle example, but George Tenet cites all kinds of intelligence -- yeah, yeah, Al-Qaeda was there.  Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was there.  He was there recuperating from injuries I think he suffered in Afghanistan.  Now, nobody ever said from Cheney, Bush on down, nobody ever said that operational control for 9/11 had anything to do with Saddam.  All they ever said was that Iraq was infiltrated with Al-Qaeda members, which was true.  And, of course, the reason the Drive-Bys and the Democrats are trying to say this is there was no reason to go to Iraq.  Al-Qaeda did 9/11.  Al-Qaeda was in Afghanistan and Pakistan.  No, they were in Iraq, and George Tenet's own book says so.  He cites the intelligence on it.  It's highlighted in a story by Thomas Joscelyn in the Weekly Standard. 

Now, Saddam didn't control 'em, but they were there.  They were safe and comfortable in Iraq, and Saddam had to know they were there because they were meeting with some of Saddam's lieutenants.  "Tenet devotes an entire chapter to the question of Iraq's ties to Al-Qaeda (Chapter 18, 'No Authority, Direction, or Control'). Much of the chapter is used to vilify Douglas Feith, the former undersecretary of defense, and Vice President Cheney. Tenet claims, repeatedly, that Feith, Cheney, and others in the Bush administration exaggerated the intelligence on Saddam's ties to Al-Qaeda. The former DCI says they 'pushed the data farther than it deserved' and 'sought to create a connection between Iraq and the 9/11 attacks that would have made WMD, the United Nations, and the international community absolutely irrelevant.' (In this vein, Tenet also erroneously claimed to have met Richard Perle on September 12, 2001. According to Tenet, Perle said 'Iraq has to pay a price for what happened yesterday [September 11].' However, Perle was in France."  He has a house in France.  He couldn't get back to the US. He was not there on September 12th. He could not have met with Tenet.  Richard Perle is denying the conversation took place at all. 
 
 
"Tenet offers little real evidence to support his contention. But it is worth noting what he does not claim: that the Bush administration cooked up the connection between Saddam's Iraq and Al-Qaeda in its entirety. In fact, Tenet concedes that there was evidence of a worrisome relationship. For example, Tenet explains that in late 2002 and early 2003: There was more than enough evidence to give us real concern about Iraq and Al-Qaeda; there was plenty of smoke, maybe even some fire: Ansar al-Islam [note: Tenet refers to Ansar al-Islam by its initials 'AI' in several places]; Zarqawi; Kurmal; the arrests in Europe; the murder of American USAID officer Lawrence Foley, in Amman, at the hands of Zarqawi's associates; and the Egyptian Islamic Jihad operatives in Baghdad.  On Ansar al-Islam, Zarqawi, and Kurmal, Tenet elaborates further: The intelligence told us that senior Al-Qaeda leaders and the Iraqis had discussed safe haven in Iraq."

Now, what in the world is Tenet trying to do here by saying all this intelligence was cooked up?  He is confirming everything the administration said and nothing more.  The administration never, ever said that Saddam Hussein and everybody in the Iraqi government had operational participation in 9/11, just that Al-Qaeda was there.  "Most of the public discussion thus far has focused on Zarqawi's arrival in Baghdad under an assumed name in May of 2002, allegedly to receive medical treatment. Zarqawi, whom we termed a 'senior associate and collaborator' of Al-Qaeda at the time, supervised camps in northern Iraq run by Ansar al-Islam (AI).  We believed that up to two hundred Al-Qaeda fighters began to relocate there in camps after the Afghan campaign began in the fall of 2001. The camps enhanced Zarqawi's reach beyond the Middle East. One of the camps run by AI, known as Kurmal, engaged in production and training in the use of low-level poisons such as cyanide. Our efforts to track activities emanating from Kurmal resulted in the arrest of nearly one hundred Zarqawi operatives in Western Europe planning to use poisons in operations. According to Tenet, Al-Qaeda's presence was not limited to northern Iraq: What was even more worrisome was that by the spring and summer of 2002, more than a dozen Al-Qaeda-affiliated extremists converged on Baghdad, with apparently no harassment on the part of the Iraqi government. They had found a comfortable and secure environment in which they moved people and supplies to support Zarqawi's operations in northeastern Iraq."

Now, Thomas Joscelyn writes, "It strains credulity to imagine that all of this was going on without, at the very least, Saddam's tacit approval. Tenet says that the CIA did not think Saddam had 'operational direction and control' over the two Egyptians, Zarqawi, or AI. But he explains, 'from an intelligence point of view it would have been difficult to conclude that the Iraqi intelligence service was not aware of their activities.' 'Certainly,' Tenet adds, 'we believe that at least one senior AI operative maintained some sort of liaison relationship with the Iraqis.'"  It's a devastating analysis of the book here.  Again, Weekly Standard by Thomas Joscelyn.  I want to take you back.  Memories are fleeting and sometimes short.  But you go back to the days immediately after 9/11 and the ensuing two years leading up to our invasion of Iraq in the spring of 2003.  There was greater consensus in the world for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq than there is for global warming today. 

Our allies agreed that Saddam had WMDs, UN inspectors agreed that Saddam had WMDs, the UN Security Council agreed, they just didn't want to do anything about it.  The left in America, the Democrat Party from 1998 on, led by Bill Clinton and Tom Daschle, were warning us of the weapons of mass destruction in the arsenal of Saddam Hussein.  The New York Times agreed, ex-President Clinton agreed, his wife, Mrs. Clinton agreed, John Kerry didn't flip-flop back in 1998.  They all knew that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.  It wasn't consensus, it was fact.  He had used them.  It was not consensus.  It was near unanimous that Saddam had weapon -- well, probably never was to Dennis Kucinich.  But it was unanimous to everybody.  It was factual.  Yet this myth has survived that there was no Al-Qaeda and there weren't any weapons of mass destruction. 

See, when you're not the senior officer of the United States government, i.e., the president, then you're free to just go off the reservation and say you were lied to and you were made a fool of and so forth.  The president can't do that.  He has to stand by what he does, and that's something the Democrats still are not doing.  Even though they have the majority in the House and Senate, they're still acting like the minority, these little petulant kids in the sandbox going no, no, no, no, no, to everything.   
 
 
 
 
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Re: Tenet's Book Riddled With Inconsistencies
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2007, 06:26:12 PM »


hard for me to believe anyone in Washington is honorable enough to be beyond reproach when exposing a president.

doesn't change the facts  though.

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Re: Tenet's Book Riddled With Inconsistencies
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2007, 07:29:46 PM »
Was it too much for me to expect you actually read the book and do a fair critique instead of posting Rush dribble like you always do?  ::)

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Re: Tenet's Book Riddled With Inconsistencies
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2007, 08:07:26 PM »
Was it too much for me to expect you actually read the book and do a fair critique instead of posting Rush dribble like you always do?  ::)

Doubt if it's dribble, I have about 12-14 clients a day plus travel baseball for my son on the weekends, I hardly have time to take a shit let alone read a book, I usually only post while my clients are warming up and some at night.

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Re: Tenet's Book Riddled With Inconsistencies
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2007, 08:32:16 PM »
Was it too much for me to expect you actually read the book and do a fair critique instead of posting Rush dribble like you always do?  ::)

LOL, yes, apparently it was too much to expect.


Mr. I. what's up with your Enigma feud? Two days ago you were calling him a lying scumbag and saying he bombarded you're site with pedophilia links and now you've changed your toon. What happened?

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Re: Tenet's Book Riddled With Inconsistencies
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2007, 08:36:22 PM »
LOL, yes, apparently it was too much to expect.


Mr. I. what's up with your Enigma feud? Two days ago you were calling him a lying scumbag and saying he bombarded you're site with pedophilia links and now you've changed your toon. What happened?

Maybe he liked the pedophilia links.

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Re: Tenet's Book Riddled With Inconsistencies
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2007, 10:16:38 PM »
Maybe he liked the pedophilia links.

FUCK YOU, YOU LITTLE WORM!!

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Re: Tenet's Book Riddled With Inconsistencies
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2007, 10:19:22 PM »
LOL, yes, apparently it was too much to expect.


Mr. I. what's up with your Enigma feud? Two days ago you were calling him a lying scumbag and saying he bombarded you're site with pedophilia links and now you've changed your toon. What happened?

I might have been wrong, but I still have the authorities looking into who sent it, it may take awhile, it was sent through a proxy account from out of the country.

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Re: Tenet's Book Riddled With Inconsistencies
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2007, 10:33:01 PM »
FUCK YOU, YOU LITTLE WORM!!

My friends tell me I'm not so little, but you may be right about the worm part.

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Re: Tenet's Book Riddled With Inconsistencies
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2007, 06:35:29 AM »
LOL, yes, apparently it was too much to expect.


Mr. I. what's up with your Enigma feud? Two days ago you were calling him a lying scumbag and saying he bombarded you're site with pedophilia links and now you've changed your toon. What happened?

WTF? Pedophilia links?  Mr I, you couldn't be saying that, could you?

I hope not.

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Re: Tenet's Book Riddled With Inconsistencies
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2007, 06:46:47 AM »
It's hard to believe that Tenet was the head of the CIA, in fact the 2nd-longest serving. His intent to revise history has backfired. Hard to fathom that he actually believes he can fool anyone with the rationalizations & excuses.

A Loser's HistoryGeorge Tenet's sniveling, self-justifying new book is a disgrace

It's difficult to see why George Tenet would be so incautious as to write his own self-justifying apologia, let alone give it the portentous title At the Center of the Storm. There is already a perfectly good pro-Tenet book written by a man who knows how to employ the overworked term storm. Bob Woodward's 2002 effort, Bush at War, was, in many of its aspects, almost dictated by George Tenet. How do we know this? Well, Tenet is described on the opening page as "a hefty, outgoing son of Greek immigrants," which means that he talked to Woodward on background. Further compliments are showered upon him. We discover that his main protector on Capitol Hill, Sen. David Boren, who represented Oklahoma until 1994, had implored President-elect Bush to retain this Clinton-era head of the CIA and if he had any doubts, to "ask your father":

When the younger Bush did, the former President George H.W. Bush said: "From what I hear, he's a good fellow," one of the highest accolades in the Bush family lexicon. Tenet … later led the effort to rename CIA headquarters for Bush, himself a former DCI.

No need to draw a very complex picture here: Tenet knows how the kiss-up and kiss-down game is played. And, for a rather mediocre man, he did well enough out of the arrangement while it lasted. Woodward was even willing to describe him as one who "had developed an understanding of the importance of human intelligence, HUMINT in spycraft." But let's not get ahead of ourselves. I only mean to say that it was a very favorably disposed chronicler who wrote this, in describing Tenet's reaction on the terrible morning of Sept. 11, 2001:

"This has bin Laden all over it," Tenet told Boren. "I've got to go." He also had another reaction, one that raised the real possibility that the CIA and the FBI had not done all that could have been done to prevent the terrorist attack. "I wonder," Tenet said, "if it has anything to do with this guy taking pilot training."

Notice the direct quotes that make it clear who is the author of this brilliant insight. And then pause for a second. The author is almost the only man who could have known of Zacarias Moussaoui and his co-conspirators—the very man who positively knew they were among us, in flight schools, and then decided to leave them alone. In his latest effusion, he writes: "I do know one thing in my gut. Al-Qaeda is here and waiting." Well, we all know that much by now. But Tenet is one of the few who knew it then, and not just in his "gut" but in his small brain, and who left us all under open skies. His ridiculous agency, supposedly committed to "HUMINT" under his leadership, could not even do what John Walker Lindh had done—namely, infiltrate the Taliban and the Bin Laden circle. It's for this reason that the CIA now has to rely on torturing the few suspects it can catch, a policy, incidentally, that Tenet's book warmly defends.

So, the only really interesting question is why the president did not fire this vain and useless person on the very first day of the war. Instead, he awarded him a Presidential Medal of Freedom! Tenet is now so self-pitying that he expects us to believe that he was "not at all sure that [he] really wanted to accept" this honor. But it seems that he allowed or persuaded himself to do so, given that the citation didn't mention Iraq. You could imagine that Tenet had never sat directly behind Colin Powell at the United Nations, beaming like an overfed cat, as the secretary of state went through his rather ill-starred presentation. And who cares whether his "slam dunk" vulgarity was misquoted or not? We have better evidence than that. Here is what Tenet told the relevant Senate committee in February 2002:

Iraq … has also had contacts with al-Qaida. Their ties may be limited by divergent ideologies, but the two sides' mutual antipathy toward the United States and the Saudi royal family suggests that tactical cooperation between them is possible, even though Saddam is well aware that such activity would carry serious consequences.

As even the notion of it certainly should have done. At around the same time, on another nontrivial matter, Tenet informed the Senate armed services committee that: "We believe that Saddam never abandoned his nuclear weapons program." It is a little bit late for him to pose as if Iraq was a threat concocted in some crepuscular corner of the vice president's office. And it's pathetic for him to say, even in the feeble way that he chooses to phrase it, that "there was never a serious debate that I know of within the administration about the imminence of the Iraqi threat." (Emphasis added.) There had been a very serious debate over the course of at least three preceding administrations, whether Tenet "knew" of it or not. (He was only an intelligence specialist, after all.) As for his bawling and sobbing claim that faced with crisis in Iraq, "the administration's message was: Don't blame us. George Tenet and the CIA got us into this mess," I can say, as one who has attended about a thousand postmortems on Iraq in Washington, that I have never, ever, not once heard a single partisan of the administration say anything of the kind. The White House may have thought that it could count on the CIA to present some sort of solidity in a crisis but, as Sept. 11 had already proved, more fool the White House.

In the post-Kuwait-war period, there was little political risk in doing what Tenet had always done and making the worst assumption about anything that Saddam Hussein might even be thinking about. (Who but an abject idiot would ever make a different assumption or grant the Baathists the smallest benefit of the least doubt?) But we forget so soon and so easily. The problem used to be the diametrically opposite one. The whole of our vaunted "intelligence" system completely refused to believe any of the warnings that Saddam Hussein was about to invade and occupy Kuwait in 1990. By the time the menace was taken seriously, the invasion itself was under way. This is why the work of Kenneth Pollack (this time titled The Threatening Storm: The Case for Invading Iraq) was received with such gravity when it was published in 2002. Pollack had interpreted the signals correctly in 1990—and been ignored—and was arguing that another final round with Saddam was inevitable. His book did more to persuade policy-makers in Washington than anything ever said by Ahmad Chalabi. To revisit these arguments is to be reminded that no thinking person ever felt that the danger posed by a totalitarian and aggressive Iraq was a negligible one. And now comes Tenet, the man who got everything wrong and who ran the agency that couldn't think straight, to ask us to sympathize with his moanings about "Iraq—who, me?"

A highly irritating expression in Washington has it that "hindsight is always 20-20." Would that it were so. History is not a matter of hindsight and is not, in fact, always written by the victors. In this case, a bogus history is being offered by a real loser whose hindsight is cockeyed and who had no foresight at all.

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Re: Tenet's Book Riddled With Inconsistencies
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2007, 06:52:36 AM »
Bottom line:

Bush' Presidency Riddled With Incompetence.

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Re: Tenet's Book Riddled With Inconsistencies
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2007, 06:55:02 AM »
Bottom line: that narrow difference in votes between Gore & Bush in 2000 had insanely massive ramifications. Bush will go down as one of the worst all-time presidents; Nixon was great in comparison.

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Re: Tenet's Book Riddled With Inconsistencies
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2007, 07:03:34 AM »
Bottom line: that narrow difference in votes between Gore & Bush in 2000 had insanely massive ramifications. Bush will go down as one of the worst all-time presidents; Nixon was great in comparison.

agreed

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Re: Tenet's Book Riddled With Inconsistencies
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2007, 07:43:29 AM »
In any event you can't decide (ok i guess u can but its f'ed up) to write a book about how screwed up something is when u had a chance to do something about it. Tenet knew or suspected that WMD's or an Al'Queda link might be tenuous at best and he should ahve said hey do what u want but i'm resigning. That would have given the administartion pause and it would have made the dems look into things harder instead of trying to judge which way the wind was blowing on iraq and jumping on the band wagon.   
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