Offseason cycle

[Slintowin]

Any suggestions what are some you all use.

[Overload]

1000mg Test
500mg Deca
Tbol or Dbol the first 6 weeks.

16-24 weeks

proper PCT

[Rimbaud]

1000mg Test
500mg Deca
Tbol or Dbol the first 6 weeks.

16-24 weeks

proper PCT

I like this except run the tbol for 10 weeks instead of 6 weeks.

[Overload]

I like this except run the tbol for 10 weeks instead of 6 weeks.

I think i'll try that next cycle.

 

[Slintowin]

Looks about the same as what I was thinking except I was gonna use equipoise instead of deca about the pct aromasin is much to strong seeing how estrogen is important in building and I think femara is much to strong also how about nolvadex I think clomid is to weak

[Overload]

Looks about the same as what I was thinking except I was gonna use equipoise instead of deca about the pct aromasin is much to strong seeing how estrogen is important in building and I think femara is much to strong also how about nolvadex I think clomid is to weak

i've never used EQ so i can't comment on that.

i've always had smooth PCT with HCG, clomid and nolva.

i don't use anti-e anymore during cycle, i get better gains without them but i training for strength.

[Rimbaud]

Looks about the same as what I was thinking except I was gonna use equipoise instead of deca about the pct aromasin is much to strong seeing how estrogen is important in building and I think femara is much to strong also how about nolvadex I think clomid is to weak

EQ can be useful in an off season bulker. EQ makes me hungry as hell. Basically the more you eat the more you'll grow.

[Slintowin]

Yeah Eq I think would work well however I like that deca has an effect on your blood sugar

[Rimbaud]

Yeah Eq I think would work well however I like that deca has an effect on your blood sugar

True. But I love me some EQ. I've never had a painful shot of EQ.

[clayton green]

i've never used EQ so i can't comment on that.

i've always had smooth PCT with HCG, clomid and nolva.

i don't use anti-e anymore during cycle, i get better gains without them but i training for strength.


Overload,
You don't use an anti-e during your cycle?  Did you ever have a problem with gyno?  This is my first cycle and FreakfestMD recommended that I use .5cc of a-dex during  my cycle, which I have been doing for the past 6 weeks. Do you think this would affect my gains?  Should I run something else?

[Slintowin]

Put it this way my friends if your nipples dont get sore at some time your not making good gains aromasin or femara will suck your nipples right back to normal anti es are important but think of the reason you first started the cycle to get big or strong so make sure you achieve that first otherwise your just using to use and thats called a drug addict

[Overload]

Put it this way my friends if your nipples dont get sore at some time your not making good gains aromasin or femara will suck your nipples right back to normal anti es are important but think of the reason you first started the cycle to get big or strong so make sure you achieve that first otherwise your just using to use and thats called a drug addict

I've done some big ass cycles and been doing it for a long time. never had a sore nipple and only used adex one time and my gains slowed down. i dropped the adex and within a month i was making gains again. aromasin and femara are good for certain cycles and BIG cycles. a drug addict is someone who refuses to quit when they need to, sounds like you might want to look into that from you previous posts.

clayton - using adex is fine but i don't recommend it for small short cycles. i'm not disagreeing with freak because he knows far more than i do but from my personal experience there isn't need for it unless you run alot of test for an extended period of time. just keep using it, afterall this is your first cycle and you have plenty of time to experiment in the future. i have never had gyno symptoms and i've tried all sorts of cycle methods. some people are more prone than others, most guys on here suggest it as a precaution just like some guys will run 10mg of nolva per day throughout a cycle as a precaution.

[Slintowin]

AHHAHAHA Overload hmmmm tell me does overload mean you have overloaded Im not sure but it sounds like youneed a pct now.  No worries though different people do different things your a strength athlete I am a bodybuilder funny that you would attack me when I am asking other people about their cycles anyways thanks to those of you who shared.

[trab]

Any suggestions what are some you all use.

U Want big and bloated? SUS 1000-1500 week in week 1. Throw in as much Deca as you can stand too.
Dont waste a shot. Hips were made for 3-4cc each!
2-3 anapolon a day for 1st 2 weeks.  Pinks preworkout (I'd like to try Halo or methyl sometime here)

Then just build enanthate over the top of the sus. A couple 500mg shots per week.
Not all that sus is active. It rolls along. Running abouts 1300-1500mg active testo/ wk up front. (+Deca+Drol)
The dose is building hard and fast till you back off the SUS. Dose ramps at about week 2 as the decanoate comes on stronger.
Extend the SUS base to your time frame, just paying attn to the 21 day mark after last shot sus.
Move into TProp, Stanoz, Var after tapering down the testE to around 200-300mg every 5th day.
Go about 3-4months. HCG bast in the middle?

 I never hear anyone talk Primo tabs here. Man I like them
near the end. Hold muscle stubbornly.wake up pumped.

Are you diabetic slin? or am I mixn you up w/ someone else? I'd be interested to see actual glucose readings off a deca/test cycle for a diabetic. Just curious.

Just a thought, we should all hold back ripin oneach other, everybody here likes to do the same shit.  I dont know where all the negative come from these days. I do know this, the most successful (read F'n wealthy & set) businessmen I know are the exact opposite.

[Slintowin]

I agree Trab thank you cant we all get along yes I am a diabetic and WHen I start my Offseason in 1 month I will keep close records and pm you.

[trab]

I agree Trab thank you cant we all get along yes I am a diabetic and WHen I start my Offseason in 1 month I will keep close records and pm you.

Cool, that 1 old work bud of mine is diabetic, and now he cant get it up even w/ viagra (67yrs old).
I bet his Test level are real low too.
Man, I'd be doing some experimentation 4 sure.

I prefer real results to all the people who squak like a parrot. Repeating shit they never done.  Now Some  guy on GB is telling me "HCG dont make for strength increase or major sex drive increase"

[Overload]

AHHAHAHA Overload hmmmm tell me does overload mean you have overloaded Im not sure but it sounds like youneed a pct now.  No worries though different people do different things your a strength athlete I am a bodybuilder funny that you would attack me when I am asking other people about their cycles anyways thanks to those of you who shared.

How did i attack you? i stated the fact that you refuse to come off cycle and that maybe you shouldn't comment on drug addiction. i've been clean since january.

[Slintowin]

Sorry buddy Im not on hormones right now either so before you accuse get your facts straight.  We are all here for different reasons IM not here to fight or attack people just to read and learn

[clayton green]

I've done some big ass cycles and been doing it for a long time. never had a sore nipple and only used adex one time and my gains slowed down. i dropped the adex and within a month i was making gains again. aromasin and femara are good for certain cycles and BIG cycles. a drug addict is someone who refuses to quit when they need to, sounds like you might want to look into that from you previous posts.

clayton - using adex is fine but i don't recommend it for small short cycles. i'm not disagreeing with freak because he knows far more than i do but from my personal experience there isn't need for it unless you run alot of test for an extended period of time. just keep using it, afterall this is your first cycle and you have plenty of time to experiment in the future. i have never had gyno symptoms and i've tried all sorts of cycle methods. some people are more prone than others, most guys on here suggest it as a precaution just like some guys will run 10mg of nolva per day throughout a cycle as a precaution.

Overload,

This is Clayton, at the  suggestion of FreakfestMd I started using a-dex about 4 weeks into my cycle.  do you think  that  could have  anything to do with not making any gains?  I thought  that  I was  getting  sore nipples but it may have just been in my mind as this is my first cycle.  If the a-dex is the problem then I would stop it immediately.

[clayton green]

I've done some big ass cycles and been doing it for a long time. never had a sore nipple and only used adex one time and my gains slowed down. i dropped the adex and within a month i was making gains again. aromasin and femara are good for certain cycles and BIG cycles. a drug addict is someone who refuses to quit when they need to, sounds like you might want to look into that from you previous posts.

clayton - using adex is fine but i don't recommend it for small short cycles. i'm not disagreeing with freak because he knows far more than i do but from my personal experience there isn't need for it unless you run alot of test for an extended period of time. just keep using it, afterall this is your first cycle and you have plenty of time to experiment in the future. i have never had gyno symptoms and i've tried all sorts of cycle methods. some people are more prone than others, most guys on here suggest it as a precaution just like some guys will run 10mg of nolva per day throughout a cycle as a precaution.

Well what if the liquidex (a-dex) is causing me not to make the gains and it is not the gear.  I look back and saw that I started the a-dex on april 16 which is 3 days shy of 4 weeks.  I know that  prior to that I did have some good days in the gym but after that i have not.  I would have to retract a lot of statements if  the a-dex was the source of my problem and not the gear.  What do you think about that.