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gh15 · « **on:** May 06, 2007, 04:13:33 PM »

Quote from: Knives on May 06, 2007, 02:51:34 PM

you said that the most important body part for a bodybuilder is the chest. What about the back? Haney, Yates, Coleman, Cutler, the last 4 Mr. O's all had the best backs in their respective comps. Isn't the back the most important body part?

one of the most important body parts to win a top pro show like o is the indeed the back,, because we all have pecs bigger than an obese chic wearing 52 d bra

but in general,,the most important part for a bodybuilder when he has no tank top or shirt on is the pecs,,

you have big thick wide full pecs,,even with average arms when it comes to genetics,, and your upper body will look 100 times better than the average brother that walks around with 18 inch of cut to bone arms and flat no where to be found chest,,

all that matters is when the shirt goes off,,when its on everyone looks ok

Cap · « **Reply #1 on:** May 06, 2007, 04:18:47 PM »

What do you think about those that say one should do flat bench more or incline more? It seems like Cormier and Branch's chests are more impressive than Johnnie Jackson's who is bottom heavy.

gh15 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 06, 2007, 04:27:54 PM »

chest like arms has a lot to do with genetics make up,,
guys with good chest will have hard time to develop real big arms,,guys with big arms will have hard time to develop impressive chest,,

guys who have both and no problem developing both are usually on stage wearing underwear

and winning shows

guys who have good chest genetically will be able to grow and develop it with 2-3 45lbplates each side of the bar and look like (chest wise) they can do 5 plates each side of the bar,,

guys who have good arms genetically,,wil be able to develop them to 18 inches doing 40-50lb dumbells,,

to your question,,

when start training flat bench is a must,,
during the years when you develop a good base and foundation,,i would limit flat bench and do a lot more incline bench,,

incline bench is the key for swole,,thick,,full,,chest and front delts

tleilaxutank · « **Reply #3 on:** May 06, 2007, 04:33:22 PM »

Quote from: gh15 on May 06, 2007, 04:27:54 PM

chest like arms has a lot to do with genetics make up,,
guys with good chest will have hard time to develop real big arms,,guys with big arms will have hard time to develop impressive chest,,

guys who have both and no problem developing both are usually on stage wearing underwear and winning shows

guys who have good chest genetically will be able to grow and develop it with 2-3 45lbplates each side of the bar and look like (chest wise) they can do 5 plates each side of the bar,,

guys who have good arms genetically,,wil be able to develop them to 18 inches doing 40-50lb dumbells,,

to your question,,

when start training flat bench is a must,,
during the years when you develop a good base and foundation,,i would limit flat bench and do a lot more incline bench,,

incline bench is the key for swole,,thick,,full,,chest and front delts

quoted for truth...genetics rule all...if you've got shitty arms and think you can look like the guy next to you (like yours truly) by lifting heavier or bumping the dose...THINK AGAIN...

Cap · « **Reply #4 on:** May 06, 2007, 04:37:26 PM »

See I'm not sure about either for me.

dragonheart · « **Reply #5 on:** May 06, 2007, 04:48:37 PM »

agreed w/ gh15. If someone has an impressive chest, it makes the rest of their physique look alot better than it might really be.

Cap · « **Reply #6 on:** May 06, 2007, 05:52:14 PM »

How long would anyone suggest building a "base" with flat bench before switching over to incline as primary?

boonstack · « **Reply #7 on:** May 06, 2007, 06:28:18 PM »

hmm that kinda makes sense (maybe just ironic), but, look at Branch's chest -- then his arms. Lee priests arms --- then his chest, Levrone arms -- chest (not BAD, but relatively speaking)

dragonheart · « **Reply #8 on:** May 06, 2007, 07:37:35 PM »

Quote from: cap86 on May 06, 2007, 05:52:14 PM

How long would anyone suggest building a "base" with flat bench before switching over to incline as primary?

I usually do incline first, then flat. I wouldnt ever stop totally using flat, but I admit I rarely do any decline work. Depends how well your chest builds. Some people can get a good base in a year, others takes much longer

Slintowin · « **Reply #9 on:** May 06, 2007, 09:04:00 PM »

Incline chest 4*6-10
Incline hammer superset with bench 3*6-10
pec deck 15 second reps then fast once burnt out 3*8-12
Cable crossover 3*6-10

Figo · « **Reply #10 on:** May 06, 2007, 11:49:04 PM »

Haney took pec and back development to new level and beyond. Cant say the same for his arms, though. It didnt seem to affect his Sandow colection all that much.

Cleanest Natural · « **Reply #11 on:** May 07, 2007, 03:49:58 AM »

I subscribe to gh15's philosophy about chest..i'm a shoulders arms guy...wanna work hard on chest..inclines..isolati on and all..

Stavios · « **Reply #12 on:** May 07, 2007, 02:16:37 PM »

GH15, what's your take on contest rebound ?
can someone make good progress out of it or is it just water weight ?

SWOLETRAIN · « **Reply #13 on:** May 07, 2007, 02:23:24 PM »

Quote from: Stavios on May 07, 2007, 02:16:37 PM

GH15, what's your take on contest rebound ?
can someone make good progress out of it or is it just water weight ?

i beleive it...... Cutler said in One step Closer that training through it is crucial due to it being a very anabolic time. Curious to see what GH has so say.

Stavios · « **Reply #14 on:** May 07, 2007, 02:26:16 PM »

Quote from: SWOLETRAIN on May 07, 2007, 02:23:24 PM

i beleive it...... Cutler said in One step Closer that training through it is crucial due to it being a very anabolic time. Curious to see what GH has so say.

yeah Milos said the same, he said that his guys are off-supplement after a contest and still make progress

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #15 on:** May 07, 2007, 02:33:22 PM »

Quote from: sevastase on May 07, 2007, 03:49:58 AM

I subscribe to gh15's philosophy about chest..i'm a shoulders arms guy...wanna work hard on chest..inclines..isolati on and all..

Same here, delts and arms blow up like a balloon with zero effort

Chest has taken a lot of trial and error to get it to respond.

My theory is their are "limb guys" and "torso guys". Very very few people have both

Figo · « **Reply #16 on:** May 07, 2007, 02:40:53 PM »

Quote from: Groink on May 07, 2007, 02:33:22 PM

Same here, delts and arms blow up like a balloon with zero effort

Chest has taken a lot of trial and error to get it to respond.

My theory is their are "limb guys" and "torso guys". Very very few people have both

Arnold was one of the few.

Figo · « **Reply #17 on:** May 07, 2007, 02:42:20 PM »

And Shawn Ray.

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #18 on:** May 07, 2007, 02:43:18 PM »

Quote from: Figo on May 07, 2007, 02:40:53 PM

Arnold was one of the few.

Tri's weren't all that great, but I'm picking nits there

Yup, Him and another guy (Ronnie) are two of the select few and they have how many sandows between them ?

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #19 on:** May 07, 2007, 02:44:31 PM »

Quote from: Figo on May 07, 2007, 02:42:20 PM

And Shawn Ray.

One of the best ever IMO, should have taken at least two sandow's home.

Stavios · « **Reply #20 on:** May 07, 2007, 02:45:18 PM »

having huge guns and shoulders and a not so great chest looks very good

having a big chest and no arms is ugly as shit

Figo · « **Reply #21 on:** May 07, 2007, 02:46:40 PM »

Haney, Yates.

Stavios · « **Reply #22 on:** May 07, 2007, 02:47:12 PM »

Quote from: Figo on May 07, 2007, 02:46:40 PM

Haney, Yates.

they both had small arms compared to their torso

affy · « **Reply #23 on:** May 07, 2007, 03:03:09 PM »

Quote from: Stavios on May 07, 2007, 02:45:18 PM

having huge guns and shoulders and a not so great chest looks very good

having a big chest and no arms is ugly as shit

huge guns and shoulders and okay chest=bodybuilder

big chest and barely any arms=fitness model

both=champion bodybuilder

YoungBlood · « **Reply #24 on:** May 07, 2007, 03:25:44 PM »

Yates' chest wasn't all that great, and we all know his arms sucked compared to other Olympia winners.
The best photo I've ever seen of Yates' chest, was the '93 pre-olympia photos that are now famous. Peter McGough stated that the entire set was shot after a chest workout, which explains his chest being so good in those photos.

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